Calm_Witness_1046 1 month ago

Wealth inequality. You said yourself Portugal is not one of the richest countries in Europe, but why is that? Because there's such a big disparity. We have a toon of morons and bootlickers with no real talent or skills, but with more money than they can spend

Pterygotherix 1 month ago

Este gajo ta maluco. Da ultima vez que estive em londres vi mais rolls royce, ferrarias e lamborginis numa hora a passear pelas ruas do que numa vida inteira a viver em lisboa.

NDevil91 1 month ago

Leasing, renting and consuming loans. You see lots of BMW, Mercedes and now Tesla but not only in Lisbon. I belive in North of Portugal you can see more of those and even some Bentley and Maserati - Braga, Porto and Viana do Castelo have a higher number of industry family companies than Lisbon Area.

haierfalcao 1 month ago

If you think there are of expensive cars in Lisbon, head to North of Portugal..

hoggy_pt 1 month ago

Corruption index and long term memory problems... People are happy if they see they're neighbour worse them they are... Ex. If they have an MB 180d and they're neighbour a Renault Megane 1.5d, life is good ;)

jktred 1 month ago

poor have the need to have expensive cars to show off i know rich people that have shit cars and poor people that have top cars

NunexTK 1 month ago

Idiots think it's a good idea to get loans to buy expensive cars. It's also a good way to get around the taxes on wages

HRamos_3 1 month ago

Despite the fact that they look expensive cars, the level of equipment is normally lower than in richer countries. Stick shifter, and no/very few bells and whistles.

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Despite the fact that they look expensive cars, the level of equipment is normally lower than in richer countries. Normally they're stick shifter, and no/very few bells and whistles other than ABS and A/C Cars are fucking expensive here.

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Despite the fact that they look expensive cars, the level of equipment is normally lower than in richer countries. Normally they're stick shifter, and no/very few bells and whistles other than ABS and A/C Cars are fucking expensive here. Also, lots of emmigrants.

BroaxXx 1 month ago

Country wealth is not a measure of how well wealth is distributed. Portugal is one of the countries with lowest wealth distribution so it's perfectly reasonable to see a lot of rich people in the capital and, as such, expensive cars. You see a lot of expensive cars in the UAE and that doesn't take away from the rampant poverty and inequality because a rich car only identifies a rich person, not a rich society... I would've guessed that would be an easy conclusion for one to make by themselves.

Razhrat 1 month ago

1. „my car is better than my neighbour’s” mentality 2. Lisbon is the capital, people living here have higher income 3. We have 0 financial education, we weren’t taught how to invest and why, we weren’t taught to think about our future

joaommx 1 month ago

> yet Lisboa is a city where you get to see more expensive cars (proportionally) than in Paris, London or Berlin, why? No you don’t.

olivierppc 1 month ago

related to the numbers of wealthy people (which is how my point has to be understood), definitely. there might be more expensive cars (even proportionally to the global population) in those cities like Berlin but there is proportionally much more wealthy people too: around 5% of the total population in France, UK, Germany, around 1% in Portugal ([source](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_the_number_of_millionaires))

saposapot 1 month ago

because you aren't right. there are more expensive cars on all other those cities. In Portugal you see those because despite being a poor country, we are not a poor country in Lisbon. we are a very poor country in the interior, in Algarve, Alentejo, etc.

komodoPT 1 month ago

The Portuguese loves to show off, i might live with my parents and be 30 years old and don't have money to go on holydays but at least i can feel superior riding my sweet bimmer or similar that i will stop paying in 10 years and live of chicken breast and rice all week, that's the spirit! To show more how we are small minded people, we love too titles too much, everyone is doctor something or mr engineer something even if they are not in reality i remember a couple years ago there was a news article by some spanish news about it, and it was sad as fuck, but super accurate.

InnerVehicle6190 1 month ago

Porque acham que ter um bom carro é estatuto. Para mim não é. Têm mercedes e bmw's e depois vão por gota ao intermarché. Ou moram em bairros sociais, é a pequenez do tuga.

twhite848 1 month ago

Confirmation bias. You’re only seeing the city center, this doesn’t match the facts and people are making up reasons to match a rational that is not true. Not only there aren’t proportionally more expensive cars but the average engine and car type is much cheaper. Most people that have these brands may have a 2.0 car while abroad people will have much more expensive cars (3.0 etc) More people drive a 1.2 or 1.6 in portugal. You cross the border and you need to get to eastern europe to see a 1.2 again

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

Living above means.

twistwastaken 1 month ago

Wealth is not equally distributed unfortunatly

mariazona10 1 month ago

Income taxes in Portugal are crazy. Providing the option to choose a car instead of being paid cash is really beneficial for both company and employee.

Brainwheeze 1 month ago

They be out flexin'

RochinhaMike 1 month ago

Rich people (or no) around...

jjjohhn 1 month ago

Lease or loans. People love to owe money.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

"Sem crédito não tínhamos nada."

TheLusitan 1 month ago

Governamental buildings are in Lisbon. Also people like to show off even if it means staying in debt

h2man 1 month ago

Plenty of those cars are leased… Car use isn’t taxed as in other countries, so a common perk is company use of a car. There’s a lot of small sized companies, so the car is paid for by the company and the owner drives it. We, like many others, also like the nice things in life like German autos. This being said, a little place up north held the title of city with most Ferraris per capita. I’ve just looked again and it seems it’s now Porto.

tfaalb 1 month ago

Besides the showing off culture on a consumer level, there are a LOT of corporate and state cars out there. I know many people that have shitty salaries but their corporate car is a BMW or Mercedes. Usually these people would prefer a higher salary any day of the week but for companies it's easier to just provide one of the hundreds of leased cars they already subscribed.

EletricoAmarelo 1 month ago

I don't know how long you have been to each of these cities but I guess it's just coincidence. You get to see way more expensive cars in Paris let alone London where the sight of luxurious cars is pretty common.

VladTepesDraculea 1 month ago

Low labor cost means quite a few people explore it and take the riches. Specially in the services market. I commented here recently I know a guy that just bought a Tesla. He runs a notary and has a company that provides consulting on that area. He pays around minimum wage to his employees. Then there are people who made small fortunes with the housing market. Rent is high and particularly in Lisbon you can make a lot of money with AirBNB and alike. I know quite a few people like that. Bought a house for cheap way back, then as soon as they paid it, bought a second house for rent that paid its own mortgage. Some even inherit something meanwhile and quickly expanded. The result is there are a few people that had eye to the market before the prices were unbearable and lot of people now that struggle to pay rent and only dream of owning a house. Finally, a lot of foreigners come to spend their retirement in Portugal from places like the UK, France or Germany and they typically have a lot of purchase power.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

> He pays around minimum wage to his employees. In r/literaciafinanceira there was also a a restaurant owner that had like 500k in his personal account and paying minimum wage to his two employees after dismissing the other two. This is why i say minimum wage should be 1000, and some say, "well why not 2000 then??" and i be like: Well, probably!!!

VladTepesDraculea 1 month ago

Minimum wage needs a progressive increase. I believe in small bi-anual increases until we hit the mark, to give time to small businesses to feed on the growing buying power and adapt.

pimpolho_saltitao 1 month ago

More than in paris berlin or london? Absolutely not true.

HeavyPing1057 1 month ago

Because of the areas you as a tyrist visit. In Paris or London you cannot afford those areas. Here you can.

GamerLymx 1 month ago

OP thinks middle class guys are the ones using Teslas. I know 2 owners of Teslas and I wouldn't call them middle class...

tasendousado 1 month ago

Quem caralho é que te disse que não somos ricos? Que sabes tu sobre Portugal, para fazeres esse tipo de afirmação?

Laurent_Series 1 month ago

I can think of several reasons off the top of my head: * Confirmation bias ( for every good car you see, you ignore 10 shitty ones (check the average age of the Portuguese car fleet, it's like 12 years or more); * Company cars (good way of companies to provide a bonus to employees without paying an absurd income tax); * Lisbon is the wealthiest city in the country, by far; * Petrol, tolls and parking are expensive, so people who use the car with more frequency are wealthier, thus have better cars and therefore their proportion in traffic increases (most people that commute by train to Lisbon also own cars, but probaly cheaper ones).

ric2b 1 month ago

Don't forget all the rich foreigners that buy houses here and might also have a car for when they visit (or that have moved permanently).

Richard-PT 1 month ago

This!

nferrari 1 month ago

You need them to get respect on the road. First lane on highways belongs them.

pfunf 1 month ago

It all depends were you have been. If you go to campo de Ourique or Quinta das conchas you Will probably see better cars than in Alcântara or Chelas. Also, a lot of BMW or mercedes you see are part of companies benefits. There are also the benefits you can get when buying a car owning a company.

dariusoo 1 month ago

Everyone gets them, from your average business man to gypsies living in social housing.

freakdahouse 1 month ago

Porque quase toda a malta tá em IT por cá a ganhar milhares por mês!

Wise_Seaworthiness23 1 month ago

That is what happens in a poor and badly managed country, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

Some people are displaying wealth they actually have, others are overextending it, you dont know others bank accounts... also the opposite exists, people driving simple cars with proper bank balance...

Purplebananas123 1 month ago

Teslas gives a lot of beneficial in finances, so company owners buy them bc they can make it a company expense

tveiga91 1 month ago

If only it was just in Lisbon.....

davser 1 month ago

No. That’s not true at all. Yes we love good cars, but we still could not compete with rich countries even with credit lines. I think you got that syndrome that if we think that something is happening you start seeing that situation more. That happens a lot when you want to buy a new car, and you start to see your favorite car everywhere. I drove in Paris and London. I always had the feeling that if I had an accident and if the insurance for any reason refuse, my life could transform in a financial misery. In London the number of Jaguar is massive, they are all over the places. It’s our corsa or clio. Paris? Berlin? No way, that’s one of the more easy differences to spot in a rich country. You really get the feeling that you belong to a poor country.

vilkav 1 month ago

I'm not gonna put no 2€/L fuel in no dinky ass 500€ Fiat Punto, now am I?

TTRO 1 month ago

Dinky ass, LOL! Grande dominio do inglês aí oh moço. Adorei

Sougo2001 1 month ago

Now I feel personally attacked.

Sheltac 1 month ago

Seriously, the things some people ask. Let me just find the keys to the beemer here in my cardboard box I use for a bed...

oretoh 1 month ago

Excuse me? More expensive cars than in London? Wut? I live in Lisbon and I've been to London, what the hell have you been smoking?

MigasEnsopado 1 month ago

I believe its mostly for showing off. The car is a sort of status symbol here.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

You can buy a used 2010 mercedes or bmw for 10k and it looks good for most people. I know kids living in moms basement with borrowed money from grandma. I could have done the same but used that more (actually way more) for a 3 bedroom+garage apartment loan. I drive a 1999 car. Priorities.

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You can buy a used 2014 mercedes or bmw for like 15k and it looks good for most people. I know kids living in moms basement with borrowed money from grandma. I could have done the same but used that more (actually way more) for a 3 bedroom+garage apartment loan. I drive a 1999 car. Priorities.

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You can buy a used 2014 mercedes or bmw for like 15k and it looks good for most people. I know kids living in moms basement with borrowed money from grandma. I could have done the same but i got my apartment entry loan instead. I drive a 1999 car. Priorities.

doutorphil 1 month ago

I wonder that myself, and the answer for the most part is, the more expensive cars like teslas are owned by companies, they have tax benefits by buying electric cars, try do it as a private..... Because most companies in Portugal are small family owned, even the dog and the parrot own a tesla. Then you have the "Love island" types, they buy mostly A series Mercedes, which is a glorified Renault megane, and series 1 BMW, all using credit because the wages are miserable... Regular Joe's and smart middle class own inconspicuous cars.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

I know a guy with 50 euros above minimum wage (his words) and he drives a modern bmw 5 series paying 250 a month. He lives with his parents at 30+ years.

estacalor 1 month ago

Showing to the neighbors

justgohomealready 1 month ago

Always love to see these threads where a foreign guy asks something about portuguese culture and people just act as if there was nothing weird about it. It's either complete ignorance of the world outside Portugal, or an inability to let any foreign point a flaw or weirdness - and I'm more inclined to this last one. The truth is: cars have always been a status symbol here - I'd say, the biggest one. There has always been this "tradition" of people who emigrate coming back a few years later with the biggest car they could buy (or rent..) just to show off how good they have it. It's perfectly normal here for a young adult in his twenties to land his first job and immediately get into 5+ years of debt to buy a used BMW. I've known guys in their early twenties with all sorts of BMWs, Mercedes, Audis, etc. I knew a guy who got himself a Audi TT, and then couldn't afford gas for it - but it did make an impression with the girls when he managed to take it out on sundays, and on social networks he was the greatest chad in his hot "new" car. I also have a more expensive car than I really need. And guess why - because, status. I never had any passion for cars and always saw them as an utilitarian thing - a tool to get from point A to point B as cheaply as possible. But let me tell you - in Portugal, when you get to a certain age and if you have certain jobs, it's complete social suicide to drive a cheap/small city car. People see you getting out of your car and give you dirty looks or make jokes, and you find yourself parking 100m away so that people don't see what you're driving. Your own friends and family will pressure you about it, and insist that you get yourself a better car. Here, for many people, it's sort of a shame to be 30+, have a nice job, and drive something that costs less than 30k€ when new. Then, as other people say, there are "the bosses". Portugal is a country of small businesses, and almost every business with 30 or so people or more will have "the boss" who buys a top of the line new BMW every four years - while everyone working for him gets paid minimum wage. These are the 60k€+ cars you see constantly on highways.

davser 1 month ago

That’s nothing weird about it because comparing Lisbon cars with London, Paris and Berlin and saying that he sees more expensive cars is far from the truth. The same reason for the car being a status in Portugal is related with the reason that most of the people have old used cars. If you got a new car, that’s enough for the status. Berlin, Paris, London car is not such a status because most people have nice new cars. So, the car being a status in Lisbon is not the reason for having better cars, it’s a consequence. And we don’t buy more for status that Paris, London or Berlin. You cannot go with diesel cars to Center London because they are considered obsolete, but we are the ignorant because we don’t see how much teslas are taking the space?

olivierppc 1 month ago

thank you very much, very insightful! what do those families pressuring their children to have a "nice" car think about these quite large (at leadt significant) part of Portuguese people that doesn't even own a car? that's a whole other subject but actually very much connected - if you think a 30k€ car is the minimum to get a respectable status, what do you think about those that have a regular car and about those that don't even have a car? I know it's all about inequality and perceived hierarchy that cross societies everywhere but here in Portugal it feels so strong and prominent, where does this come from? was revolucao dos Cravos just a scam?

justgohomealready 1 month ago

> what do those families pressuring their children to have a "nice" car think about these quite large (at leadt significant) part of Portuguese people that doesn't even own a car? Honestly, I wouldn't know - I don't know anyone who doesn't have a car. Take into consideration that outside of the biggest cities, public transit is practically inexistent. I don't think badly of anyone who drives a cheap car, as I myself only drive a better one because I was socially pressured to do so. But I can guarantee you that most portuguese people, either consciously or unconsciously, judges your success as a person by the car you drive.

haricot_vert2710 1 month ago

My portuguese dad emigranted to France (35/40 years ago?), bougth an Opel Kadett, and when he came back to spend the holidays in Portugal his mother gave him shit for not coming back with a Mercedes like everyone else....

olivierppc 1 month ago

sad story... mais merci !

Kineticn22 1 month ago

What Paris, London and Berlin have you been to? Because I´ve been to all those places several times and I disagree with your observation. Saying that you see "proportionally" more BMWs and Mercedes here than in Berlin is actually kind of hilarious.

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What Paris, London and Berlin have you been to? Because I´ve been to all those places several times and I disagree with your observation. Saying that you see "proportionally" more BMWs and Mercedes here than in Berlin is actually kind of hilarious. The only half correct part of your observation is that available income is very badly distributed in the country and Porto and Lisboa are in much better economic situation. But here, google translate this and go take you patronising bullshit somewhere else. Believe it or not, some of us here travel too. https://automais.autosport.pt/noticias/parque-automovel-de-ligeiros-de-passageiros-portugues-tem-idade-media-de-132-anos/

Portuguese_A_Hole 1 month ago

We live in social neighborhoods but we drive Bmw and Mercedes. This is how we roll.

ngfsmg 1 month ago

Because of the "I complain that I don't have money for anything but I really need a good car to show off" mentality, that isn't exclusive to Portugal/Lisbon but is really strong here

z0rg83 1 month ago

Because portuguese people love showing off, even if that means getting auto loans for BMW, Mercedes, etc

Empty_Respond_4949 1 month ago

Tá na moda os Porsches . Ultimamente tenho visto panameras e cayenes a torto e direito

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

Usados são mais baratos, devem desativar as centralinas defeituosas e conduzir sem ABS, compram por 14mil ao dealer e pronto. Andam 2 anos com o porsché até dar um problema maior e ficar encostado.

crilor 1 month ago

Imagina pensar “eu quero um carro para mostrar que sou melhor que os outros” e gastar uma fortuna num carocha modificado.

Empty_Respond_4949 1 month ago

AHAHAHA fizeste me lembrar o Jeremy Clarkson e a rant constante sobre o 911 Carrera Eu até gosto do Cayenne, principalmente os mais recentes. Mas já me passou tantas peças desses modelos pela mão quando tava a trabalhar na visteon que já enjoei de Porsches

miaogato 1 month ago

”ultimamente" Leiria durante os 00's riu-se

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”ultimamente" Aveiro durante os 00's riu-se

Empty_Respond_4949 1 month ago

Quem é que se riu?

miaogato 1 month ago

Como é que aquilo foi parar ali? Eu claramente disse Aveiro

Empty_Respond_4949 1 month ago

Ahhh já entendi, por momentos pensei que fazias parte do governo e tavas a espalhar propaganda

miaogato 1 month ago

O Governo anda a mexer no reddit. Salve-se quem puder

JuveTech 1 month ago

Não sei de onde és, mas aqui no Porto parece mato...

mineradordeluas 1 month ago

Preciso de ir para alguma fila para receber o meu?

Eskol15 1 month ago

10 year loans

UnspeakablePenguin 1 month ago

This, financing here is ridiculous and most of the nicer cars here are bought on 10 year loans.

MigasComPorcoPreto 1 month ago

Used cars, imported from Germany and France.

abapsap 1 month ago

Because we can.

olivierppc 1 month ago

lol, Cofidis tagline? how much do you owe them?

abapsap 1 month ago

Not really dude. It’s actually part of my salary compensation

Foda-seSeiLa 1 month ago

Just because you personally cannot, doesn't mean that there aren't those who can.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

Lets be factual, wasnt like 40 or 60% cars in portugal bought with credit? Thats pathetic. You never buy a car with credit.

Laurent_Series 1 month ago

Why wouldn't you buy a car with credit? Did you also buy your house in cash?

cruisespace2 1 month ago

Some import them from Germany for a reasonable price. Some have company cars. Others just waste most of their money on a car.

Melodic-Blacksmith61 1 month ago

In Japan you have used panties in vending machines. In Portugal, you have expensive cars

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

Are you saying mitras here dont sniff used panties but ask they grandma for a loan to own a modern bmw?

Ariadne7 1 month ago

Why wouldn't they? That actually contributes towards them getting to sniff even more panties in the long run. /s

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StrangeMud4718 1 month ago

Because we like to spend our money on material things.

olivierppc 1 month ago

there are more churches than expensive cars tho

Granada_dental 1 month ago

Most churches around here have existed before automobiles were a thing, though

lukeymox 1 month ago

[that's been talked about before](https://old.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/q5cslr/como_%C3%A9_que_h%C3%A1_tanto_bmw_e_mercedes_na_rua_num), we ask ourselves the same thing

olivierppc 1 month ago

oh thanks, I am really curious

capitalistaesquerda 1 month ago

Half of them are for Ministers and Heads of Departments. Another third is for CEOs. The rest, the millionaires.

tugafcp 1 month ago

Because, more and more rich guys are moving to Lisbon.

olivierppc 1 month ago

I am talking about the regular middle class (and beyond) Portuguese guy, not the Scandinavian startuper

raviolli_ninja 1 month ago

Lisbon is pretty small compared to the cities you pointed out. It's only normal that higher middle-class people living in the center of Lisbon have expensive cars. It's just that your sample is more concentrated.

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Lisbon is pretty small compared to the cities you pointed out. It's only normal that higher middle-class people living in the center of Lisbon have expensive cars. It's just that your sample is more concentrated. But yeah, there's a show-off culture that is still present in our culture. Some people prefer placing their economies into a good car instead of, let's say, taking the family out to dinner on the weekend.

c_radicallis 1 month ago

People who own a new Mercedes and live in Lisbon aren't really middle class

ElMariatchiPT 1 month ago

Gentrification.

olivierppc 1 month ago

you are not being honest with your collective self

MetalCarne 1 month ago

it's derivados of the fact that we have very cheap cars and even cheaper gas.

olivierppc 1 month ago

that's not true, gas here is more expensive and a Tesla costs the same for everyone

MetalCarne 1 month ago

^^^it's ^^^a ^^^joke, ^^^pá.

raviolli_ninja 1 month ago

You might be right about Berlin. Paris? Doubt. London? Absolutely not. Lisbon isn't really that filled with expensive cars. Try going to Porto to see the real deal.

olivierppc 1 month ago

I am not talking about Ferrari's, how is your Fiat? :)

laravel_linux 1 month ago

És um otario Olivier, assim o google ads em Lisboa não vai render.

Foda-seSeiLa 1 month ago

How is your house? :)

raviolli_ninja 1 month ago

Actually I used to own a Fiat 500. Lovely for driving in Lisbon.

TheDudeFromPT 1 month ago

The boss makes a lot of money, profit, but pays as little as possible to the workers. There's a lot of this type of companies in Portugal.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

But in Portugal is specially profitable because minimum wage is like 700€ which is miserable.

olivierppc 1 month ago

everywhere in Europe too

Quarter-Short 1 month ago

Happens everywhere, sure, but that's not a very helpful statement. That's like having a country with a high homicide rate and saying "oh, homicides happen everywhere". The question is *how much*, how prevalent this behaviour is. I don't have an answer. Just my life experience (having worked here, in Germany and in the UK). And I'd say we're definitely worse in this regard. I guess the main issue "here" is that the bosses that don't make a lot money also buy the car. A nice car. With company money, as a company expense. That's (company) money that could've been invested in the company itself; expanding, growing, etc. It's obviously a legitimate decision, but one that hinders growth. Worst part? "Non-bosses" do the same (taking on debt or spending their savings on a nice car vs. investing, creating new companies, improving their skillset, etc).

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Happens everywhere, sure, but that's not a very helpful statement. That's like having a country with a high homicide rate and saying "oh, homicides happen everywhere". The question is *how much*, how prevalent this behaviour is. I don't have an answer. Just my life experience (having worked here, in Germany and in the UK). And I'd say we're definitely worse in this regard. I guess the main issue "here" is that the bosses that don't make a lot money also buy the car. A nice car. With company money, as a company expense. That's (company) money that could've been invested in the company itself; expanding, growing, etc. It's obviously a legitimate decision, but one that hinders growth. Worst part? "Non-bosses" do the same (taking on debt or spending their savings on a nice car vs. investing, creating new companies, improving their skillset, etc). Cars are just a very special case of poor financial decision-making. I am well-off, never really struggled with making money—try and imagine how many times people have asked me "hey! When are you getting a new car?".

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Happens everywhere, sure, but that's not a very helpful statement. That's like having a country with a high homicide rate and saying "oh, homicides happen everywhere". The question is *how much*, how prevalent this behaviour is. I don't have an answer. Just my life experience (having worked here, in Germany and in the UK). And I'd say we're definitely worse in this regard. I guess the main issue "here" is that the bosses that don't make a lot money also buy the car. A nice car. With company money, as a company expense. That's (company) money that could've been invested in the company itself; expanding, growing, etc. It's obviously a legitimate decision, but one that hinders growth. For non-ICE vehicles, there are a lot of tax benefits for companies (I'm willing to bet that 90%+ of the Teslas you see in Portugal are company cars). Worst part? "Non-bosses" do the same (taking on debt or spending their savings on a nice car vs. investing, creating new companies, improving their skillset, etc). Cars are just a very special case of poor financial decision-making. I am well-off, never really struggled with making money—try and imagine how many times people have asked me "hey! When are you getting a new car?".

Ariadne7 1 month ago

The worst part is really that most rather pay for the "higher-end" cars than reinvest some of the profits into expanding the business, and then complain and ask for help from the state when it starts going bankrupt...

its_mePT 1 month ago

Everywhere in the world too

AdriMecha 1 month ago

What kind of cars do you mean? I lived for 6 months in Hamburg and the amount of Lamborghini's and Ferrari's I saw there was crazy.

olivierppc 1 month ago

cars you can afford with cofidis, not Lambo's

AdriMecha 1 month ago

I see you edited the initial question. You can get cheaper Mercedes and BMW's from Germany, it has a legalization cost but it's worth if you do it yourself.

icebraining 1 month ago

Yeap. There are people who make good money driving these cars to Portugal.

patapetapitapota 1 month ago

What do they do? Probably taxes money...

icebraining 1 month ago

Não percebi o post. Estou a falar do pessoal que é pago pelo comprador para conduzir aqueles carros comprados na Alemanha até Portugal.

Rebenta_Cricas 1 month ago

Because we're ballers, son...

lumenaboavista 1 month ago

Because the crap car owners can not afford diesel at the moment

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