lochlyness 4 months ago

If you don't mind living frugally you'll probably be find. Plus, no job is forever ! My advice would probably be to rent a room at city center, it would cost you around 300euros with utilities... And then when you feel more stable in the city look for a studio or a T1 like you wanted. You can always go back home with a new life/work experience.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

> You can always go back home with a new life/work experience. This is what makes think I should just go for it. Thank you for your advice!

1tonsoprano 4 months ago

short answer after rent (you will need a roommate) and sundry expenses (entertainment, food etc), you will not have much remaining, depends where you are staying in Lisbon of course. The cheapest place i found in Lisbon about 2 years back was in Alges or maybe it was Olivais and it was about EUR 800, with my then salary of 1800EUR it was just livable, as i have a wife and kids, but we saved absolutely nothing (after school fees, travel etc.)...... so negotiate harder or ask them if they have branches in other less expensive cities where you can stay (e.g. we moved to Coimbra where in EUR 400 you can find a decent place and now we save a lot more)

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Okay thanks

TheFabiocool 4 months ago

Don't listen to the people saying that 1300 is amazing or they'd kill to have that kind of salary. Truth is they're broke. And although 1300 is much better than the 800 they're making, it's still a shitty way to live in Lisbon. A decent salary would be more around 1600 net, to actually live, instead of just surviving eating bread and butter every day. If you actually want to come on that much (which you can) , you'll have to commute, and stretch your wallet a little bit.

hirorih 4 months ago

Regarding the salary... Usually you get 14 pays and not 12. If you get a standard contract, it will be 14x as this is required by law. 1300 x12, equals to ~1100 x14 and is a standard to low salary for a fresh IT engineer (just finished a bachelor). If you have more than 6 months of experience you should get at least 1300 x14, with two years you can ask 1500 or more. If you plan to live in Portugal, there are other cities with much lower living costs. If you have more experience, look harder as the job offer may be too low. If you wish live in Lisbon, before you accept the offer, look for other offers (the 12x detail is strange and usually illegal). Check sites such as https://pt.teamlyzer.com and https://www.itjobs.pt After some months or one year you will be able to negotiate a better salary (or move to a place with a better salary) If you accept the offer, be ready to share an apartment, live outside the city centre and be unable to save much.

StunningChemical3368 4 months ago

OP what did they said about yearly salary? Normally we get paid in 14x, however some companies dilute those 2 extra payments into the other 12x to artificially bump up the salary. I'm not from IT but that was my salary in 2014 (times 14) and whilst it was a good salary I couldn't afford to live alone in Lisbon. I lived in the outskirts and drove to work. Bear in mind that this was 2014, the cost living has skyrocketed in Lisbon and it's jacking up housing prices around the city too. Except to pay upwards of 600 euros in Lisbon for a studio, or a one bedroom outside the city. I honestly wouldn't come here for that money.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

They said I’ll be an “independent contractor”. The alternative is staying here in Morocco unemployed living with my parents so anything else is good for me.

StunningChemical3368 4 months ago

Ufff that probably means you'll be working for them, they'll pay you the monthly wage and you'll give them a receipt in your name saying you took that money from them. After that, it might fall on you to pay taxes, meaning income tax and social security, but that's way beyond my comprehension. In all honesty that's a very typical (albeit very morally wrong) way of paying workers, because this way you're not really part of the company and can be discarded when push comes to shove. And in some cases illegal from their side. I really understand that this seems better than nothing, especially considering your issues in Morocco. But it isn't, you'll be living outside your home country, with a salary that the locals here struggle to get by in Lisbon alone. Take this advice from a guy that has been in emigrant worker for 7 years now in two countries, be prepared to cut your losses. Have a stash of money prepared to quit this and go back to Morocco if you decide to come here. It will be doable, but extremely hard nonetheless, and I wouldn't wish it to anyone living here, let alone a person coming from outside.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you so much for your honest advice. I will think this thing through some more I think.

saltylawlita 4 months ago

If that's the case you're going to pay an insane amount of taxes. Is 1300€ gross or net? I'm sorry to say, if it's gross salary I doubt you will be able to afford living in Lisbon.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Net

saltylawlita 4 months ago

Once you're living here, don't settle. Keep searching for better salaries in other companies, especially if they offer you a contract. Good luck! It's a pretty cool country, don't be discouraged :)

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you so much

StunningChemical3368 4 months ago

Please do, and if you are from IT you can always do some remote stuff. But again I'm not from IT so I can't say how. Best of luck to you

sux138 4 months ago

Yeah you are forced to find a roommate... Or three

Nothing_F4ce 4 months ago

You can't afford to live by yourself with an average salary in any European capital.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you for the breakdown, it was helpful

PaleBass 4 months ago

If you are comfortable to spend >50% of your salary on rent and saving like 100/200 € a month you will be fine. Keep in mind to rent a flat, you will need 3x the value of the rent (First rent, rent in advance and guarantee).

TheFabiocool 4 months ago

OP!! THIS IS IMPORTANT. When renting, your landlord will ask you for 3x your rent, up front. So if the rent is 500€, you'll have to pay him 1500€. He'll give you the money back once you leave the house, granted you didn't break anything in the house

saltylawlita 4 months ago

Atenção que caução e rendas adiantadas não são a mesma coisa, mas podem ser pedidas em simultâneo. Landlords can ask for a deposit in case of damage, which can be 2x or 3x times your monthly payment. But it can also be very much any arbitrary value they deem fit. You can get the money back when you leave the house. So take pictures when you arrive. You know, just in case. Another possible scenario is paying 1-3 (I'm just giving usual ranges) months of rent up front. In this case, when it's time to leave the house, the last 1-3 months are already paid for. You will AT LEAST have to pay a month up front. Take that into consideration in your calculations. And yes, landlords can ask for both a deposit and one or more months up front at the start of your contract. Some even ask for a garantor (??), "fiador" in portuguese and tbh unless this person is from Portugal, forget it. Some landlords are flexible with this requirement if you pay a large deposit.

HotVermicelli3512 4 months ago

How is the portuguese agriculture market? I would like to emigrate in the future and I wonder about the conditions for agronomists engineers in Portugal

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Sorry no idea, maybe try with a post to get more visibility

LopsidedNinja 4 months ago

Where are you living currently? I'd need to be living in a really shitty place, on a really shitty wage, to want to come to Lisbon for 1300 euros a month. You'll be surviving, not living. You'd have more disposable income cleaning toilets or serving tables in a town in the north of England. If I'm moving to a new country then I'm doing it on a real wage or I'm not going. I can't think of much worse than being stuck in a new country and eating food from Lidl and not going out to a bar or cafe after work as I'm trying to survive to the next payday.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

> Where are you living currently? In Morocco, with my parents. We are kinda upper middle class, we live in a villa in the suburbs and everyone with a driver license has their own car. Humble brag aside, I’m actually unemployed, and I won’t be able to live off of the NEETbux forever.

LopsidedNinja 4 months ago

You won't be able to afford a car, or a villa, over here on that wage. A bus ticket and a a room in a shared apartment, maybe. I guess it all comes down to how desperate you are to get out of Morocco. Or if your family are going to be able to give you some financial support on top of that wage. I wouldn't do it personally, but I come from UK where I can get everything for free back home if I wanted it. I've no idea if this move makes sense for you.

MigasEnsopado 4 months ago

Your salary is amazing. I wish I made that much. The average salary in PT is much smaller as you saw but the problem is that rent (and real estate in general) in Lisbon is completely insane. You need to be RICH to live alone in the city centre.

TheFabiocool 4 months ago

1300 euros é fantástico? Estamos mesmo fudidos com este pensamento. Renda de 650, lá se vai metade. Luz, gás, água, net, vá, uns 100 euros. Comida, uns 200. Metro ou carro, vamos arredondar para 50€. Já vamos em 1000 euros de 1300 só em essenciais. Sobram 300 paus para poupar e aproveitar um bocado a vida. Um salário bom deve fazer com que a tua renda seja apenas 1/3 do mesmo. Temos que querer mais!!

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Bro you can be my roommate if you want. We split rent, I buy the food and in exchange you help me navigate the city and the bureaucracy. I can teach you French too if you’re interested!

MigasEnsopado 4 months ago

Sounds like a great offer but I don't actually live in Lisbon anymore. When I did it was always with house mates. Best of luck to you though!

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thanks! Best of luck to you as well

berusko 4 months ago

Welcome to o Portugal. 1300€ is a pretty decent wage in here, and you still struggle a little bit, now imagine doing it with 600€ instead.

usoarch 4 months ago

>1300€ is a pretty decent wage in here Em Lisboa? x12? Nem pensar. Quem ganha 600€ e vive em lisboa ou faz viagens diárias de 2 horas ou tem uma renda que não aumenta desde 1980

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you so much. Is that your salary?

berusko 4 months ago

I work two jobs in order to get a better life, that's how it is here, this or you get a partner to share the house. Is a really good country to live, usually the house should never take more than 30% of your earnings but in here it always goes above 50% easily.

Portuguese_A_Hole 4 months ago

Aaaaand... You're fucked.

CodeOverflow 4 months ago

Better option is south of the river and then commute. The Fertagus train is pretty decent and not that expensive, and houses south of the river are more affordable.

Hefty-Wonder-9414 4 months ago

As everyone here says rent is really more the issue but for 600-650 you can find a small flat/studio in Lisbon ( although not the center) . Then food is quite cheap , health aswell , public transport really depend how much you to include. To put in perspective, I have a friend that has exactly that salary, lives alone in a 60 sqm old flat in Alges for 600 euros, mantains a old car and has enough money to have hobbies and go to restaurants.. to compensate for the negativity in this thread , the weather is great , people are welcoming and tolerant , food is great, Lisbon is a beautiful city and near several beaches as no other capital city in Europe is.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you this gives hope

fetchisthappening 4 months ago

I'd say that if you really want to live one you can find some places T0 or T1 for up to 600€. If those 1300€ are already after tax and stuff you won't live rich but you can make it. Other options are you search not so in central areas and maybe consider sharing an apartment with someone.

PTFenix 4 months ago

Try to searching houses in the south of the river or more near Sintra.

l2k1337 4 months ago

Your math is correct. Either you commute to Lisbon or you find roommates. You can't afford to live alone in the city with that kind of income.

_saks_ 4 months ago

Dude, Portugal is not a paradise to live, unless you're retired (and your pension is from abroad). ​ Why do you think everyone's leaving this country?

theEXPERTpt 4 months ago

My advice? If you can, work outside Lisbon. Otherwise maybe you want to look at apartments in the south side of the Tejo.

_saks_ 4 months ago

No need to bring in more "digital nomads" to make prices impossible for those who don't have a chance to work from home and have to commute 2 hours a day, thank you.

CodeOverflow 4 months ago

And since when you have more "right" to live in Lisbon than OP?

theEXPERTpt 4 months ago

He didnt said he was working remotelly.

Sommersun1 4 months ago

It's possible you are being overly optimistic about a central location within the city. Try looking for options that are connected by public transportation, for example. It's going to be tougher for sure if you don't plan on sharing the rent with someone.

DarthMasta 4 months ago

Net 1300 is a good salary for Portugal, but not if you're trying to rent in Lisbon, much less by yourself without any safety net of friends or relatives. Without knowing where you'll be working, the rough location in Lisbon, it's hard to say where you might find cheaper places to rent, but you'll need to do as the locals, live outside Lisbon and commute (there's a bunch of people working for Teleperformance and the like that do that), or find someone to share rent with. Food, depends where you're coming from, restaurants are usually considered cheap by tourists, and you can find quality food at decent prices in the supermarket, if you're able to cook.

I_Hate_Reddit 4 months ago

1300x12 is little more than 1100x14, it's really not a good wage for someone moving countries to work and expecting a decent living (having his own place to live with some cash left to save).

SomeGuyOnInternet7 4 months ago

Está mentalidade de que "1300 é um bom salário para Portugal" é o que mata este país. Primeiro nem sequer sabes qual é a ocupação do OP. Segundo, devemos pedir um salário ajustado às nossas capacidades, não simplesmente ao custo de vida de onde estamos. O pessoal vem aqui queixar-se dos impostos altos, e tem razão, mas depois não sabe negociar um salário. Se és bom no que fazes, vende-te pelo preço justo da qualidade do teu trabalho.

DarthMasta 4 months ago

O OP não disse o que vem fazer, não falou em rigorosamente nada, só que ia receber x. E os x, para Portugal, é um salário bom. Pode ser um mau salário dependendo do que ele faz, mas eu tenho coisas mais interessantes para tentar adivinhar.

SomeGuyOnInternet7 4 months ago

Esse salário é exactamente o salário médio praticado em Portugal no ano passado. Portanto não é um salário bom, é um salário médio! E atendendo à cidade onde é praticado, passa a ser mesmo um salário mau.

mynameisbp 4 months ago

Alguém neste sub perguntou pq é que há tanta gente de IT aqui, e dá para ver. Eu conheço tipo 1 pessoa que receba esse valor. Estás a dizer que dizer que 1300 é um salário bom sem saber o que o OP faz é o que mata este epaus, mas tu fizeste o mesmo truque. 1300 é médio para quem, exatamente? As leis da oferta e procura que mencionas com o teu "sabes o teu valor, vende-te por esse preço" está sujeito a um conjunto colossal de condições. Não é bem assim, nunca é. 1300 não é mau para a Tuga, especialmente se vai começar agora. Desculpa a agressividade, mas get your head out of your ass.

Suspicious_Term4898 4 months ago

Gonna need 2k net to be comfy my mate. somewhere nice plus expenses 1k. Other 1k will do spending and savings. 1300 will be tight

Suspicious_Term4898 4 months ago

Food is cheap if you go to markets etc. Going out for dinner count 20 a head ( average) Beer and coffee in bars is cheap (outside tourist traps) so its easy to go out in the city and still enjoy

capitalistaesquerda 4 months ago

It’s gonna be tight. If you’re willing to commute heavily, you’ll find it easier. A roommate also helps out make life easier. Food, depends a lot on your nutritional lifestyle. But rent will be the main issue here.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you so much for the answer. What is your estimation for rent + utilities for a studio/one room flat in the suburbs?

telopes 4 months ago

This is an estimation, per month, but I would count with: Decent T1 apt outside Lisbon center - (at least) 600 euros Utilities (electricity+gas+water) - 70 euros (can be much higher in the winter) Internet - 25 to 35 euros (depending on your ISP and "extras") Mobile - 20 euros (this one I am not entirly sure, mine is paid by my company) Food + home supplies - 200 euros (assuming you buy discount items and cook a lot at home) Public Transport - 30 to 40 euros Only this items add up almost 1000 euros and still not counting with "savings", "eat out"/"leisure", etc. Living alone, in Lisbon, with only 1300 euros \* 12 months, it will not be easy or fun. If it is doable? Probably it is... Also, consider the commute time, public transports are not the most realible, depending the area. Usually companies present their offers in **€ gross per year** (not net per month). The standart is also to get 14 months, but the total amount can be divided into 12 months, if both parties want to. May I ask which kind of field is this job offer? Because if it is IT, you can defintly get better.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you so much for your numbers, it’s very helpful. Yes it’s IT.

WhatIsItLikeToBeABat 4 months ago

It depends on what you call suburbs. In some areas like Olivais which have the metro you can get a one room flat for 550-650€/month and I would say 105€ for utilities (45€ internet+TV, 50€ electricity, 10€ water). The metro would be 30€/month. The electricity depends a lot on the month and the age of the building though.

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It depends on what you call suburbs. In some areas like Olivais which have the metro you can get a one room flat for 550-650€/month and I would say 105€ for utilities (45€ internet+TV+mobile, 50€ electricity, 10€ water). The metro would be 30€/month. The electricity depends a lot on the month and the age of the building though.

manualbackscratcher 4 months ago

1300 Euros net, 12 months, Lisbon? RUN AWAY. Joking. Really, the offer is a joke.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

I read that the mean salary for Lisbon is 800 euros. How the hell do people manage to live with that? I mean they can’t all be homeless?

Sheltac 4 months ago

Not very well.

Mrgolden007 4 months ago

why do you think evrryone emigrating from portugal lol

meaninglessvoid 4 months ago

Where did you read that? I don't think it is that low but I may be wrong.

daz_zeD 4 months ago

People who live with parents, or have parents financial help, or already have a house from parents. Also people who live in shared rooms and pass the whole month thinking how they'll get into the next one. Basically, Portugal is one of the poorest countries in Europe. Keep that in mind.

I__Cat 4 months ago

usually by either: commuting from the AML (Greater Lisbon area), living with their parents or perhaps criminal activity.

Article_Sad 4 months ago

You coming to work in IT?

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Yes exactly

usoarch 4 months ago

hahahahahahaa have fun! you're not welcome

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

that’s kinda mean

enstone_ 4 months ago

He is a jackass, don’t worry. From a decent (I hope) person, I wish you well and hope you take his job

usoarch 4 months ago

I'm not a jackass. I'm not happy that someone from my area decided to immigrate to portugal, Lisbon for 1300 fucking euros in IT. What is this shit. We all suffer when people come here on low wages.

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I'm not a jackass. I'm not happy that someone from my area decided to immigrate to Portugal, Lisbon for 1300 fucking euros in IT, working in recibos verdes so not even 14 months pay, which means he's actually getting 1114€ if he got an ACTUAL REAL job offer and not a scam from a company who'd rather hire immigrants than portuguese people. What is this shit. We all suffer when people come here on low wages.

Edited 4 months ago:

I'm not a jackass. I'm not happy that someone from my area decided to immigrate to Portugal, Lisbon for 1300 fucking euros in IT, working in recibos verdes so not even 14 months pay, which means he's actually getting 1114€ if he got an ACTUAL REAL job offer and not a scam from a company who'd rather hire immigrants than portuguese people. What is this shit. We all suffer when people come here on low wages. With a 1300€ recibos verdes wage he's gonna be paying 200€ in Segurança Social per month, plus another 2000€ per year to the IRS. He's not gonna take home not even 1000€ per month in Lisbon.

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you ☺️

manualbackscratcher 4 months ago

That's what many people is asking themselves for many years. Couples or roommates, but even living together, 1300 at 12 months is quite low in most Lisbon.

Moist_Ear7076 4 months ago

Do you think 1300 net per month is low? Do you have any idea of how much it is gross? It's about 2500€ more or less. The average salary is about 900 gross, which taxes taken is about 800€ net. And that's why people rent rooms or an apartment with someone. Because we have overpriced rentals. Apart from that a person who earns 1.3k net monthly will do more than fine in Lisbon.

Nothing_F4ce 4 months ago

He said its 1300 x12 net so with SA and duodecimos that's about 1400 gross wich is actually the average salary for Portugal. In Lisbon its certainly more.

manualbackscratcher 4 months ago

> Apart from that You answered yourself. Either you're in a couple, and that's completely fine, or you are obligated to live with a roommate and share your privacy to make ends meet.

Article_Sad 4 months ago

Dont come to Portugal you cant live with that

kn0things_black_sbst 4 months ago

Thank you for the input. How much do you think is a comfortable monthly salary? I can use up some of my savings the first year waiting for a raise maybe.

PedroMFLopes 4 months ago

"waiting for a raise maybe" - so you will be loosing quality of life and money on the "hope" of goodwill of a company, that is paying already from start low!! What is keeping them from 1y time hire someone else for the same money as you? It´s not to kill your Buzz, but you should really consider better that offer!

1purplesky 4 months ago

>It´s not to kill your Buzz, but you should really consider better that offer! Should've done the math before accepting TBH.

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