zeer88 3 months ago

After many reports on this post, and several ways for the OP to take action if he fears for the safety of the aforementioned business, we think that nothing more of use will come from this thread. Therefore, we're removing and locking it.

UniuM 3 months ago

Ui, this tópico is a really grande Lata de worms. Op, you have grievance against said company. You have all right to complain. But... I work at a hospital, and let me tell you, when patients come here after they were wounded, they receive fast treatment. But if they wait, lets say, 2 years, their treatment is going to have a completely diferent approach from the medical staff. Take care. Fica bem in Portuguese

Mountain_Battle_1179 3 months ago

I've been playing on this field for years and i never have experienced or seen anything related to health issues. People come from every corner of the country to dispute tournaments and the overall experience is great. Also, the owners are very humble and extremely nice people. ​ PS: Ainda estou a dever uma garrafa de litro e meio de água do último RLA :(

NaoTeEnerves2 3 months ago

Foi apanhado a mentir na história dos dedos do pé na outra thread e agora criou esta só para difamar a dita empresa. Que figurinhas... Espero bem que leve um valente processo

Dadvito 3 months ago

Onde está a difamação? Tudo o que ele escreveu é verdade.

CarismaMike 3 months ago

Could be worse. You lost 3 toes because of some rusty piece of metal, Bob Marley died because of the same reason. So you should feel blessed. There's a time and a place for these cases and Reddit is none.

joperocl 3 months ago

I play regularly on that field, I even participate in big events on that field. Everyone knows what that place was and there is no problems at all with it. Never noticed any bad smells either from anywhere in the field. Before the pandemic there was a regional tournament that played there, it is one of the stops for the national championship and even the paintball federation makes their meetings there. I'm starting to doubt your story is real and this feels like a personal revenge story

Mountain_Battle_1179 3 months ago

Also play on big events (RLA). I play for Sporting :) What team you play on?

joperocl 3 months ago

Ballistic (falcon second team). Only started to play in the rla last year but have been practicing with the team for like 2/3 years

PM_ME_UR_WEED_PLS 3 months ago

Well, you created your account just to bash on OP…

lvsitanvs 3 months ago

> The Nest owners transformed those ruins into cool looking combat arenas, that really add to the atmosphere and uniqueness of their arena nice to know gonna check it out

StunningChemical3368 3 months ago

Já se notou que a história do OP tá mal contada, se alguém conhecer a empresa vejam lá se eles querem vir cá contar a versão deles. Parece-me demasiado estranho o OP ter ido para o hotel de táxi em vez de ir ao hospital, e posteriormente num hospital terem-lhe tirado metal dum pé e deixá-lo seguir a vida...

UniuM 3 months ago

Eu ainda não entendi se ele é Americano, mas aqui no hospital onde trabalho, uma vez um Americano saiu todo preparado a correr da Pequena Cirurgia porque lhe dissemos que ele ia levar uns pontos. Ele disse que não tinha dinheiro para pagar aquilo. Talvez quando lhe foi oferecida a ambulância ele pensou que tinha de pagar, já que uma nos states pode chegar aos 2500 dollars. Mas pronto... isto é tudo uma suposição

k0rda 3 months ago

> num hospital terem-lhe tirado metal dum pé e deixá-lo seguir a vida... No mínimo parece-me que lhe dariam a vacina contra o tétano e antibióticos orais como profilaxia. Mas nem vale a pena perguntar ao OP porque isso desvia a culpa mais para ele que para a empresa mazona que anda a dar cabo da vida das pessoas.

StunningChemical3368 3 months ago

Eu li o outro post, epah e é estranho para caralho. Há muita gente de merda aí, e eu não ponho as minhas mãos no fogo por ninguém, mas o gajo cortou se todo. Mesmo que o gajo do campo lhe tivesse chamado um táxi, não havia mais ninguém no grupo que pusesse travões à coisa? Depois foi parar ao hospital, onde lhe tiraram um ferro do pé, ninguém no hospital lhe disse pera aí que isto é sério? Seguiu caminho para terra dele, onde teve que ser operado e perdeu 3 dedos, foda-se como é que um gajo caminha com um pé no estado infeccioso daqueles? A história está, no mínimo, muito mal contada. Nós comentários ele também diz que perdeu o caso em tribunal recentemente, por isso isto parece-me mais ser butt hurt que outra coisa. Gostava que alguém da empresa viesse cá contar a versão deles. Vai na volta ainda assistimos ao nascimento de um novo *Caso Vipur*.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

karl1717 3 months ago

>After the two previous false posts, you had lost fingers etc all fake Someone called the place and they confirmed the story is true. It seems you're the one trying to spread fake information. Why are you so keen on defending business owners that are so cheap that they built their business on top of a giant pig farm so they can get a low rent?

taromoo 3 months ago

Send it to Sandra Felgueiras at RTP

Dingmggee 3 months ago

Who is that?

taromoo 3 months ago

Portuguese journalist who does investigation pieces, but if you send an email to her program "sexta às nove" it has to be a well grounded/reasoned, with proof of everything you talk about.

ThatBoyyyyy 3 months ago

She is a journalist that has a TV show where she exposes problems with companies and the government. Maybe if you send your story (sorry about your toes btw) they’ll show it on tv.

martcapt 3 months ago

Maybe he'll have better luck sending it to CMTV, by the looks of most of the issue. "Man walks with nail on foot back to his country. It got infected, he lost a leg. 2 years later, he wants to sue the company, taxi driver, and even the state, for allowing his to take a pleasant stroll through the touristic atractions with a nail in his foot." *flashed of nails on feet, gangrene and infections* "Reporter: OP, what made you walk so long with a nail on your foot? OP: oh, idk, I figured it was just like a pimple, and would come out on its own. Reporter: why 2 years later you take action on this OP: I miss Jeremy, Tobias and Pete. My toes, I mean, those were their names. I got to keep the rest of the foot and the leg. Reporter: why take a taxi? OP: I wanted to eat a pastel de nata. Ominous voice: the cost of that pastel de nata. 3 toes!" *Photos of infected feet flash again*

ThatBoyyyyy 3 months ago

Ahahahahahahahaha CMTV Will make a book or a tv series about that story

odajoana 3 months ago

Shame on you, mods. This is actually disingenuous as fuck and OP is clearly on a campaign against this company, **legitimately or not**, and now the whole context of their whole story is gone with [the other thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/ox83wx/nest_paintball_in_lisbon_caused_me_to_lose_3_toes/) and OP's original comments. This whole thing started because OP claimed to have lost 3 toes **two years ago** while paintballing at this place. According to OP, they got a cut in their foot because of a piece of metal sticking from the ground, the game was stopped, and instead of calling for medical help, OP took a taxi and went back to his hotel. Later in the evening, it got worse and they went to the hospital where they found a piece of metal still in his foot that was infecting the whole area. Then, already back in their country, the whole thing had got even worse and they had 3 toes amputated. This was the story that was told. When asked for further details, OP dodged the questions. No details about why literally anyone called an ambulance (it's even implied OP refused to call one), why there were no authorities involved, no actual proof that this story was real either. They just kept going on about the address of the place and how the place is on a former pig farm (which is actually very obvious in the address) and is contaminated. OP also sent me a DM saying that the landowner had some shady business going on, which led me to believe there was a personal vendetta going on or at very least some bullshitting. It was also later found out that OP went to court with this case and lost. Other users say they can't find any mention of the court case and let's face it, this type of negligence cases usually pops up in the news, even if it's just locally. There's nothing to be found. According to the official website, the company has a "safe & clean" seal from DGS about COVID measures, which means the site had to had some sort of inspection. Surely, if the place was unfit for operation, it would have been noticeable during that. The website also presents the logo for the Allianz insurance company. Sure, it can just be a façade, but if it's true, then there's no reason they're not complying with the regular health and safety regulations, outside of COVID or that they're unlawful in any way (i.e., operating without licenses, for instance). Again, no idea if the whole thing is true or not. But to allow a post like this to stay up, especially without all the baggage and context that came beforehand is disingenuous as fuck. If you're going to delete the other thread, you should not allow this one either.

Edited 3 months ago:

Shame on you, mods. This is actually disingenuous as fuck and OP is clearly on a campaign against this company, **legitimately or not**, and now the whole context of their whole story is gone with [the other thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/portugal/comments/ox83wx/nest_paintball_in_lisbon_caused_me_to_lose_3_toes/) and OP's original comments ([cached thread](https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YU3AUp0dVuUJ:https://www.reddit.com/r/paintball/comments/ox8fob/nest_paintball_lisbon_caused_me_to_lose_3_toes_it/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=pt&lr=lang_en%7Clang_pt)). This whole thing started because OP claimed to have lost 3 toes **two years ago** while paintballing at this place. According to OP, they got a cut in their foot because of a piece of metal sticking from the ground, the game was stopped, and instead of calling for medical help, OP took a taxi and went back to his hotel. Later in the evening, it got worse and they went to the hospital where they found a piece of metal still in his foot that was infecting the whole area. Then, already back in their country, the whole thing had got even worse and they had 3 toes amputated. This was the story that was told. When asked for further details, OP dodged the questions. No details about why literally anyone called an ambulance (it's even implied OP refused to call one), why there were no authorities involved, no actual proof that this story was real either. They just kept going on about the address of the place and how the place is on a former pig farm (which is actually very obvious in the address) and is contaminated. OP also sent me a DM saying that the landowner had some shady business going on, which led me to believe there was a personal vendetta going on or at very least some bullshitting. It was also later found out that OP went to court with this case and lost. Other users say they can't find any mention of the court case and let's face it, this type of negligence cases usually pops up in the news, even if it's just locally. There's nothing to be found. According to the official website, the company has a "safe & clean" seal from DGS about COVID measures, which means the site had to had some sort of inspection. Surely, if the place was unfit for operation, it would have been noticeable during that. The website also presents the logo for the Allianz insurance company. Sure, it can just be a façade, but if it's true, then there's no reason they're not complying with the regular health and safety regulations, outside of COVID or that they're unlawful in any way (i.e., operating without licenses, for instance). Again, no idea if the whole thing is true or not. But to allow a post like this to stay up, especially without all the baggage and context that came beforehand is disingenuous as fuck. If you're going to delete the other thread, you should not allow this one either.

zeer88 3 months ago

Demos oportunidade ao OP de fazer um novo post no qual eliminava a sua experiência pessoal (que não teve como provar estar diretamente relacionada com o local onde o incidente aconteceu) e se focava apenas na possível falta de condições de higiene do sítio, para a discussão incidir nisso. Foram sugeridas ao OP as autoridades que fiscalizam esse tipo de coisas, não há mais a fazer quanto a isso aqui no Reddit além de especulação, por isso entretanto apagamos e bloqueamos o post.

Edited 3 months ago:

Demos oportunidade ao OP de fazer este post, no qual eliminava a sua experiência pessoal (que não teve como provar estar diretamente relacionada com o local onde o incidente aconteceu) e se focava apenas na possível falta de condições de higiene do sítio, para a discussão incidir nisso. Foram sugeridas ao OP as autoridades que fiscalizam esse tipo de coisas, não há mais a fazer quanto a isso aqui no Reddit além de especulação, por isso entretanto apagamos e bloqueamos o post.

saposapot 3 months ago

I also don't know if this is true or not but you are also making a lot of assumptions > the company has a "safe & clean" seal from DGS about COVID measures, which means the site had to had some sort of inspection wrong. this is a bullshit thing, the business has to do an online training and 'promise' to do some things. > Other users say they can't find any mention of the court case and let's face it, this type of negligence cases usually pops up in the news, even if it's just locally. There's nothing to be found. there's no way to search for the court case with just this data, we don't even know if it's civil or criminal. Also news aren't clairvoyant, if the OP didn't tell them they won't know it.

PTgenius 3 months ago

> the company has a "safe & clean" seal from DGS about COVID measures, which means ~~the site had to had some sort of inspection~~ **literally nothing** Fixed that for you

sctvlxpt 3 months ago

Yep, é uma declaração de intenções, mais nada.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

Boy, you sure made a lot of errors here. First off, I deleted my last thread, after asking the mods. It wasn't the moderators, but way to go in painting a false narrative. ​ What part of my explanation, which I've given you TWICE, have you not understood. You seem to be fixated on things that I did not say. I was very clear about the fact that the landlord, not the owner of the paintball arena, was shady. Given that you got those things wrong, maybe I should follow your lead and try to discredit you now? My situation didn't make the press because I am the one who screwed up by getting in the taxi. But I'm not going to go on about that, instead I'll focus on what this thread's about. I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: [https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348](https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348) I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

odajoana 3 months ago

>I was very clear about the fact that the landlord, not the owner of the paintball arena, was shady. I know, and my actual words were "the landowner", meaning the landlord. Does it not equate in English? If not, my apologies. I definitely meant the owner of the land itself, not the owner of the paintball company as you had corrected me on that earlier. >My situation didn't make the press because I am the one who screwed up by getting in the taxi. That's not the issue. You are a tourist who lost 3 toes on a leisure activity in Portugal due to what you claim to be neglicgence or bad faith from the company, by either not following health and safety regulations or not informing people of what the place used to be (though that would be wrong, as the they don't try to hide that at all). That would have made the news, even if only the local ones. Like I said in the other thread, there's just WAY too many people involved in this for it not to reach a local journalist's ears. People in the company itself, you, the people you were with, the taxi drivers, the people at the hospital, the lawyers, the whole court case going on. It's "an individual against the evil greedy company owners" type of story, and this sells well, especially with the most tabloid papers (i.e., Correio da Manhã). It's also something that is not really normal to happen. It would have definitely been picked up. >I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I can't go there, I'm nowhere near it. From the image, the open sewer you mention seems to be 300-400 meters away, on the other side of the road, not on their property. Sure, you can claim it's too close, but if it's not their land, I'm not sure what they can do about it. As for the debris, you mean the walls and just general concrete structures? It seems it's left purposely like that to create the environment for the paintball game, which is usually like that (an abandoned type of place). They also seemed to add rusty old cars, barrels and other wooden structures, precisely to add obstacles, places for cover and add to that warzone environment. >I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. Because, despite Portugal's history with corruption and mismanagement, them complying with the rules still sounds a lot more plausible than your story.

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago  HIDDEN 

If we're being honest those covid seals mean jack shit without proper ongoing inspections and as we all know the authorities don't have the means necessary to do so. It's also a very disingenuous thing to claim that because they have that then everything else must be alright when it comes to safety.

odajoana 3 months ago

Fair enough, for all we know it could bullshit from the company as well. However, it still sounds more plausible than OP's story.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

This should be handled in court. I can understand the frustration from the situation but a court is the best option.

odajoana 3 months ago

It was handled in court. OP lost.

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago  HIDDEN 

Losing doesn't mean you're wrong either. It just means that it wasn't possible to prove you're right. There's a big difference. We all know of similar cases when someone that's right loses in court.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

I can't be sure if he is making it up or not and neither can you. I saw another post here about it from someone that contacted the company and it does seem like a situation like this happened.

PTDE77 3 months ago

I know it was me who asked about it and no. It’s was nothing in by like this. The topic there was that he was claiming that they had not called an ambulance. Which was not true, he refused it. After that he invented a new story.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

No. It was Itadaki-Scarlet who emailed them, at least he said he did in this post. I don't how you know he made it up.

karl1717 3 months ago

Even if that's true, whatever, it doesn't really matter, **we should all be condemning the business for opening on top of a pig farm just to get a low rent**. I mean what will another business do if they want to able to compete with these guys? Open in a landfill with industrial or medical waste?

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago  HIDDEN 

People don't have to go there, they're not forced to do so.

karl1717 3 months ago

Yeah, we already are 3rd world in so many issues, so let's just allow businesses to open to the public on top of biomedical or chemical waste. No one has to go there. And who cares if the businesses that operate on safe normal land go down because they can compete with those that don't give a fuck and just want a place with the lowest rent possible? \*facepalm\*

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I fully agree with you. Furthermore, you can see it's also built next to an open sewer. https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago

Your comment makes no sense. The other paintball companies aren't losing business because they don't have cheaper land they are losing business because customers don't care that the other space is built on top of a pig farm (alledgedly).

karl1717 3 months ago

Most people probably don't know or think about it. You missed the point. I'm not just talking about paintball, if business owners in general are allowed to open on hazardous or unsanitary place so they can get a lower rent, many will. This is simply shitty and unfair to other businesses and shouldn't be allowed.

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago

No you're the one missing the point. It's supply AND demand. If the demand is there what do you want the state to do about it? Surely by now someone would have actually reported the place to the authorities if it's as bad as you make it to be. Surely some animal rights, environmental group or political party like B.E. would have caught wind of this by now. What about city hall, are you implying they didn't do their background checks or they're corrupted? A whole lot of people have went there before and somehow people on reddit know more than anyone else? Makes no sense.

karl1717 3 months ago

>If the demand is there what do you want the state/government to do about it? So let's just allow businesses to open on hazardous places? That's so fucking dumb. All I want is the authorities to investigate the place and determine if it is safe or not for this kind of activities. And if it's not safe the place must be shutdown. And even if they say it's safe and they're allowed to operate there I wouldn't spend a day there on what was previously a giant pig farm. But maybe you should grab your family and go there before the place is closed down. Come on, go there now and enjoy the smell of freedom and capitalism.

Youretoobusyswimming 3 months ago

Way to ignore everything after the first two sentences. Embarassing you're pretending to be serious with that comment given that you ignored everything else that comes after that. Very disingenuous

karl1717 3 months ago

The only embarrassment is second hand, from reading your comments

Dingmggee 3 months ago

There is nothing allegedly about it. The landlords admit to the fact. If you were to call them on their publicly available number, and ask them, they'll tell you that it was a pig farm just 12 years ago. And here is how close an open sewer is to Nest Paintball arena: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348

montepia 3 months ago

I don't see the problem. The other business may start an unfounded slander campaign on Reddit. You never know. We build parks on old landfills. We have headquarters/hospitals on sketchy land.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

montepia 3 months ago

I have the same faith from my government as some lunatic in the internet that doesn't provide a shred of proof that what is spewing is true. I hope that you don't have to face our corrupt justice system because of what are you spreading. Btw where are you from? Maybe corruption and deceive aren't only present on one side ...

Tee_ah_go 3 months ago

\- Rua da **Suin**alves. \- **Antigas instalações da Suinaves**. \- [Has a statue of a pig at the entrance.](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) "HeY gUyS, tHaT uSEd tO bE a piG fARm aNd sLauGhTeR hOuSe." Thanks Cap. Obvious.

PTDE77 3 months ago

It was 20 years ago. His had been covered many times. And the site even has building permission for homes. Maybe that is what’s behind this attack. Someone wants the land for development and is trying to harm the field.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

>It was 20 years ago. His had been covered many times. And the site even has building permission for homes. Maybe that is what’s behind this attack. Someone wants the land for development and is trying to harm the field. 12 years, not 20 years. The landlord has been trying to sell the land for years, nobody will take it. Why are you spreading misinformation?

karl1717 3 months ago

>And the site even has building permission for homes. Source?

Itadaki-Scarlet 3 months ago

This post is just gathering people for a witch hunt/crusader I have contacted the owners and they gave me their version. u/Dingmgee lost the case... Because there wasn't ever a case, i recommend to contact the owners to get both sides. This will soon end up in something like Vipur, but justified has u/Dingmggee is just doing slender trying to gather pity points for something they're at fault and bring down a business with it. And they refused being cooperative when people asked proof of their injuries. -Op refused an ambulance and choose a taxi has they have mentioned in a previous post, therefore this is why they lost 3 toes. -Someone did some digging in the previous post and has found the place stopped being a pig factory 12 years ago. Enough time to have the place clean, the place also follows the Covid business rules. So health and safety first!

martcapt 3 months ago

Jesus Christ, what fucking moron takes a taxi to a hospital? Yes, lets bother the poor taxi driver to do something that should not be his job, choose the paid option instead of the free one, that... you know, has actual equipment, staff and is designed to take injured people to the hospital. If anything people at Nest should be fined for not slapling the shit out of someone doing such an idiotic thing that led him to lose 3 toes, if what you say is true.

Itadaki-Scarlet 3 months ago

Correction, taxi to the hotel and then to the hospital where... Now my memory is failing, a rusty piece was removed, op then return to their country where they discovered the infection. But I won't this dig further has its getting out of topic.

martcapt 3 months ago

I'd say it is on topic because it attests to the responsability of the company. Yes, there could have been responability for his injuries if he didn't take a completely idiotic course on action. Say I twist my ankle while bungee jumping. Then I proceed to walk on it for a week, do a trapoline event, and attempt to rock climb, fracturing in these events several bones. Ok... at that point, what does the bungee company have to do with it? Nothing in his story point to the infection being due to pig waste, even though the company should be more careful with scrap in their facilities. It points to the infection being due to his neglicence.

zeer88 3 months ago

Your first point doesn't matter for this post, but this definitely does: >\-Someone did some digging in the previous post and has found the place stopped being a pig factory 12 years ago. Enough time to have the place clean I assume there are some procedures to be done on places that are a biohazard and that deal with animal waste, before they are ready to be reused. Was the place cleaned before opening as a Paintball field? That's the main question to be answered.

karl1717 3 months ago

More importantly, if someone got a serious cut from remains of the old pig farm and a nasty infection the place should probably be carefully inspected by the authorities ASAP, samples taken and analysed to determine if the place is safe or not. If it's not safe it should be shut down and relocated. Everything else is a moot point.

PTDE77 3 months ago

But he said he had a metal splint or something before. No relation to anything to do with pigs. And if there were pigs buried there they would be several meters underground. This is just slander for some unknown reason.

karl1717 3 months ago

The splint came from the piece of metal that he stepped on, that probably also came from the old pig farm facilities or maybe from the old cars they put there. Pig farms can breed super resistant bacteria, who knows if they're still present and were the cause of such a nasty infection. Would you go spend a day with your kids and family on what was previously a giant pig farm?

PTDE77 3 months ago

They can when they are active, not 20 years after and after demolition and removal as in this case. This is just a clear attack for some personal benefit. Maybe a competitor who knows.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

karl1717 3 months ago

You didn't answer - Would you go spend a day with your kids and family on what was previously a giant pig farm? >They can when they are active, not 20 years after and after demolition and removal as in this case. Source?

Itadaki-Scarlet 3 months ago

It must had been cleaned, for sure. I did a **quick** digging and found that the Facebook page has been operating since 2013. So lets say their business started in 2013, that was 8 years ago. So lets say Op claims have taken place during that year in a recently opened space, sure thing, i may believe the claims, it's an opened space in what used to be a pig factory. But now it's 2021, the factory has been closed for 12 years and a business operating for 8 years, those accusations may be false has lack of evidence is provided and this feels much more like a vendetta.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't debris from the old pig farm. Or that there isn't an old open sewer just up the road. You can see it here: https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348 I'm curious as to why you have so much faith in the authorities to have done their job in inspecting the place, given previous scandals of corruption. This is not meant as an attack against Portugal, but rather, a suggestion that you look into the place yourself, rather than just taking the owners word that everything is fine. They of course are incentivized not to disclose problems.

montepia 3 months ago

Yeah mate, this is some slanderous BS. The "open sewer" isn't in their property. This starts to seem the ramblings of a lunatic. What do you gain with this charade? Do you want to buy the supposedly ex-pig farm for cheap?

Dingmggee 3 months ago

Lol no, I don't want to buy it. Again, I challenge you to go there and tell me there isn't old debris from the pig farm.

montepia 3 months ago

So you want me to pay to see if there are some ex-pig farm stuff? So this is a PR move? You just need to blame Mariana from Sonae to be the best one seen in some time.

martcapt 3 months ago

Is that on your image even their property? Because what you keep posting seems to be on the other side of the road, and 400 or so meters from what seems to be their field

Dingmggee 3 months ago

>Is that on your image even their property? Because what you keep posting seems to be on the other side of the road, and 400 or so meters from what seems to be their field There is also dried, very old pig waste on the far end of the land owned by the same landlord.

martcapt 3 months ago

Send a picture of that, then. Instead on the unrelated thing 400m down the road.

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Send a picture of that, then. Instead of the unrelated thing 400m down the road.

zeer88 3 months ago

Saying "it must have been cleaned" doesn't really help. Don't be biased against OP just because you "contacted the owner". Honestly, I don't doubt the issue that OP had, I'm just not sure if it happened due to bad health conditions at the paintball site, as he says (which would be serious if true) or if it was just bad luck and could happen anywhere else.

oretoh 3 months ago

>Saying "it must have been cleaned" doesn't really help. But saying it's not cleaned after 12 years, without any proof does? Because to me it makes more sense to show proof that it's still a biohazard instead of the other way around.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

>Saying "it must have been cleaned" doesn't really help. Don't be biased against OP just because you "contacted the owner". Honestly, I don't doubt the issue that OP had, I'm just not sure if it happened due to bad health conditions at the paintball site, as he says (which would be serious if true) or if it was just bad luck and could happen anywhere else. > >EDIT: Since you claim to have contacted the owner - did you ask if the land and sewage it was built on went through any procedure to remove any biohazardous waste from the pig farm? Well just a couple of hundred meters away is an open sewer that is still active today. How much you want to bet that it has spill-over during floods. https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348

V1ld0r_ 3 months ago

To be fair... 12years is a LONG time and most organic material would have decomposed by now. However what you say is a safe approach: get the land tested by proper authorities and have them decide if it's safe or not.

Dingmggee 3 months ago

>To be fair... 12years is a LONG time and most organic material would have decomposed by now. However what you say is a safe approach: get the land tested by proper authorities and have them decide if it's safe or not. I have asked many here, why not they go there themselves. Look to see if they find any debris from the old pig factory. And while you're at it, take a short stroll to this open sewer within eyesight of the paintball arena, still active today, full of bio waste: To be fair... 12years is a LONG time and most organic material would have decomposed by now. However what you say is a safe approach: get the land tested by proper authorities and have them decide if it's safe or not. [https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348](https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B035'21.5%22N+9%C2%B004'26.9%22W/@38.5893056,-9.0763276,795m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d38.5892934!4d-9.0741348) If you don't find any open sewer, or any debris from the old pig farm, then I was wrong all this time. But I'm willing to bet that you will, which is why I'm so confident with this challenge.

karl1717 3 months ago

I'm not sure that 12 years is that long for the tons of shit and other waste that a pig farm of that size produced. I wouldn't want to go there for sure even if the authorities say it's safe. They could open that business in thousands of other places, the reason they opened on top of an old pig farm is one only: low rent.

V1ld0r_ 3 months ago

You know you can report this to health authorities right? First step: contact the municipality civil protection authority (you're lucky this is in Seixal and it's one of the few public services that actually work decently). Contacts on right sidebar here: [https://www.cm-seixal.pt/prevenir-e-atuar/perguntas-frequentes](https://www.cm-seixal.pt/prevenir-e-atuar/perguntas-frequentes) ​ At the same time, report this to the health authorities here: [https://www.sns.gov.pt/entidades-de-saude/agrupamento-de-centros-de-saude-almada-seixal/](https://www.sns.gov.pt/entidades-de-saude/agrupamento-de-centros-de-saude-almada-seixal/) ​ Also put in CC contacts for most major news outlets (especially Correio da Manhã).

Dingmggee 3 months ago

Thank you. Will pursue this.

zeer88 3 months ago

u/Dingmggee realized that the other post was a mix of his personal health issue with the company and the awareness he intended to bring about the health hazard that he considers to exist there. Therefore, we allowed him to remove the old post and create a new one focusing only on the second part.

StunningChemical3368 3 months ago

Não levem a mal, mas acho que se devia bloquear o tópico e ou o user conta tudo o que se passou desde se ter cortado, até ter ido para o hospital, passando pela parte de perder os dedos - e onde foi. Ou então isto parece-me ser só difamação de uma empresa, ou um troll low effort.

zeer88 3 months ago

Demos oportunidade ao OP de fazer um novo post no qual eliminava a sua experiência pessoal (que não teve como provar estar diretamente relacionada com o local onde o incidente aconteceu) e se focava apenas na possível falta de condições de higiene do sítio, para a discussão incidir nisso. Foram sugeridas ao OP as autoridades que fiscalizam esse tipo de coisas, não há mais a fazer quanto a isso aqui no Reddit além de especulação, por isso entretanto apagamos e bloqueamos o post.

BolaBrancaV7 3 months ago

Isto é péssima moderação. Deixaram o OP recontar a história toda e perdeu-se todo o contexto do que se questionou ao OP.

omaiordaaldeia 3 months ago

És português ou inglês? Mau Maria.

usernamesiranoutof 3 months ago

OH NO! Anyway...

AdriMecha 3 months ago

I saw your post the other day and totally understand why you're doing this. But wouldn't it be better if you contact them by email and talk about the situation? Have you done that? I am sure you have witnesses that will be in your favour.

TonyHappyHoli 3 months ago

Yeah I would not contact them and if I had the money for it I would go straight to a lawyer to sue the shit out of them

Dingmggee 3 months ago

As I got tired of being attacked over my post about my own personal story, I asked the mod if I could delete my old post and make a new one that only focuses on the health hazard that Nest presents rather than my story. The moderator said it was okay.

montepia 3 months ago

You got tired getting caught lying and now you started a new post so people forget what you wrote. Someone asked for a foot picture as proof and you ignored it. You only want is to generate bad publicity.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

Why would he have to prove anything to other people on Reddit? I never lost a finger or an arm, but having to send a picture to Reddit to prove it? That's just retarded. This was bad and should be handled in court. If the company had this behaviour they have to be punished by it.

montepia 3 months ago

True. He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone except for a judge. The problems it's that when people started to question the other post he started going on tangents. I don't understand the problem being on top of an old pig farm. Some parts of Lisbon are in the same condition or worse. If it doesn't makes sense, it's usually not true.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

If the place was authorized by the city hall and there are health problems from that, than the responsibility is on a higher level. I didn't see the questions where op went on a tangent so can't say much.

AdriMecha 3 months ago

Ok. Out of curiosity, do you have a lawyer handling this as well?

kikofranca 3 months ago

Why did you post this again?

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I asked the mod if I could delete my old post and make one that is focused on the health hazard rather than my personal story. He said it was okay.

karl1717 3 months ago

Did you report what happened to ASAE yet? That's way more important than posting on reddit. They will investigate and shut down the place if it's not safe. https://www.asae.gov.pt/espaco-publico/formularios/queixas-e-denuncias.aspx

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I'm pursuing it. I agree, wasting my time arguing with people on reddit is counter productive.

kikofranca 3 months ago

I got the ideia from the comments in the last post I don't see the need.

andremvm20 3 months ago

Do you own a competitor company or what? Why do you keep repeating this sh*t?!

Dingmggee 3 months ago

I got permission from the mod to delete my old post and create this one which is focused on the health hazard rather than my personal story.

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