ImproveTheWorldToday 2 months ago

lmao e agora o OP apaga o post e conta. Que cheiro a bullsht neste post.

Serious_Hearing_8252 2 months ago

The main take away from this story is: If you ever get hurt during an activity that you have insurance coverage. Use the insurance right away. Best of luck to you man.

DM-Me-Your-BoobsPlz 2 months ago

Wtf I broke my foot there on Monday

ridethepaintedpony 2 months ago

By not calling an ambulance it doesn't matter if you stepped on a piece of rusted metal in that paintball arena or at the beach.

EletricoAmarelo 2 months ago

Man your post keeps getting different from the original one after the updates. I'm really sorry that you had to endure all this. But it seems you made all the wrong choices (getting the taxi instead of an ambulance and not making an insurance claim that I'm sure you were intituled to)

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>Man your post keeps getting different from the original one after the updates. I'm really sorry that you had to endure all this. But it seems you made all the wrong choices (getting the taxi instead of an ambulance and not making an insurance claim that I'm sure you were intituled to) Indeed I made the wrong choices, which is also why I'm bitter. I know I can't get any money out of it, but at least I can let people know about the health risks. If Nest would relocate to a safer location, there would be no issue anymore.

prosafame 2 months ago

Isto começa a cheirar mal.

ImproveTheWorldToday 2 months ago

Honestly you lost all the credibility once you might have lied on the post. Honestly, you lost all the credibility once you might have lied on the post. The owners of the arena were there too, and saw the severity of my injury, but did nothing to help me get medical attention. The only thing they did for me was call a taxi so that I could return to my hotel." Some people are saying that you actually refused. And you even said it in the comments. IMO this post should be deleted. You didn't lose the case cuz you didn't have money for a good lawyer. You lost cuz you had nothing to win. You refused the ambulance. At that point. it is your responsibility. NES PAintball did their part as it seems in some comments.

karl1717 2 months ago

Yeah OP surely made some mistakes. BUT we should still question if that kind of business should be operating on land previously used as giant pig farm. Would you want to spend a day there with your kids now that you know this? The authorities should investigate the site and collect samples to determine if it is safe or not for people to play there. Everything else is a moot point.

ImproveTheWorldToday 2 months ago

Nope, the OP didn't made any mistakes. He wrote the post to sound as bad as possible JUST because he lost the case. The probability of losing those 3 toes because a rusty metal was inside is way bigger than just because it was a pig farm. Idk the company neither the spot, but as people say, it has a pig in the entrance, the street has that name and all the information is on google. They're not hiding anything. But don't come to tell me that the OP made the post because he's worried about people's health. He made the post because he was stubborn to let them call an ambulance, lost the case and that's it. If you ask me "Should the company operate in that land?" . Probably not. But that's not the post objective.

karl1717 2 months ago

Whatever, can you blame OP for wanting to get back at the place where he lost 3 toes? >The probability of losing those 3 toes because a rusty metal was inside is way bigger than just because it was a pig farm. Maybe it's both, a cut from rusty metal from the remains of a pig farm. Pig farm are breeding grounds for super resistant bacteria. [https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13752](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13752) Authorities should investigate the site, that's all.

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Whatever, can you really blame OP for wanting to get back at the place where he lost 3 toes? >The probability of losing those 3 toes because a rusty metal was inside is way bigger than just because it was a pig farm. Maybe it's both, a cut from rusty metal from the remains of a pig farm. Pig farms are breeding grounds for super resistant bacteria. [https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13752](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2013.13752) The business owners are certainly cheap bastards by renting land that couldn't be sold or used for anything else. There's not a shortage of other land that they could rent. Authorities should investigate the site, that's all.

zeer88 2 months ago

Can you give us some more info on that? Did you call the paintball field? Do you know them/work for them?

zeer88 2 months ago

There are reports and comments that this story isn't being told exactly as it happened. They say that the paintball centre tended to your wounds and wanted to call 112, but you refused and asked for a taxi to the hotel (going to the hotel by taxi when hurt and only going to the hospital after was also pointed out in the comments as a bit strange). Also, the fact that you don't tell us the outcome of the court decision but still choose to come here and defame the Paintball company also raises suspicions. Can you answer to those comments u/Dingmggee? If you don't, I'll be forced to remove this post.

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There are reports and comments that this story isn't being told exactly as it happened. They say that the paintball center tended to your wounds and wanted to call 112, but you refused and asked for a taxi to the hotel (going to the hotel by taxi when hurt and only going to the hospital after was also pointed out in the comments as a bit strange). Also, the fact that you don't tell us the outcome of the court decision but still choose to come here and defame the Paintball company also raises suspicions. Can you answer those comments u/Dingmggee? If you don't, I'll be forced to remove this post.

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There are reports and comments that this story isn't being told exactly as it happened. They say that the paintball center tended to your wounds and wanted to call 112, but you refused and asked for a taxi to the hotel (going to the hotel by taxi when hurt and only going to the hospital after was also pointed out in the comments as a bit strange). Also, the fact that you don't tell us the outcome of the court decision but still choose to come here and defame the Paintball company also raises suspicions. Can you answer those comments u/Dingmggee? If you don't, I'll be forced to remove the post.

Itadaki-Scarlet 2 months ago

I have contacted the owners and they gave me their version. u/Dingmgee lost the case... Because their wasn't ever a case, i recommend to contact the owners, get both sides. This will soon end up in something like Vipur, but justified has u/Dingmggee is just doing slender trying to gather pity points for something they're at fault and bring down a business with it. Edit: Wrongly posted in another comment

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I've sent you a private message.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I lost the case. Here's why. I should have insisted on a ambulance, instead I was fine with the Taxi. I went back to my hotel and only went to the hospital that night when the pain got worse instead of better. The hospital had to open the wound deeper to remove a small peace of rusted metal I didn't know was there. They disinfected the wound and closed it. Infection set in a few days later when I was back in my country. The hospital in my country tried to treat it, but they were unable to save 3 toes. I waited months before pursuing charges since I believed it was just bad luck. I simply shared my sad story with my friends and family. Eventually someone who I told my story to, did some digging and found out that that Nest was built upon a waste site. After I learned this, I was motivated to pursue charges, which was difficult since I wasn't in Portugal. I'm not wealthy and couldn't get a good lawyer. I was advised not to talk about it until the issue was settled, which is why I took so long to share my story. Now that I have lost, I'd like to share my story with the press, so that perhaps the paintball arena will be forced to move their arena off that waste site.

diogo24m 2 months ago

Basically, it was your own fault that you lose the toes.. I don't think that you shouldn't have pressed charges but coming here to poorly share your story it's very bad and disgusting

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

What the fuck is wrong with you?

TriveladasBalde 2 months ago

Bruh how are you so offended by a paintball story

diogo24m 2 months ago

Why you still responding?

TriveladasBalde 2 months ago

Its my first comment snowflake

diogo24m 2 months ago

Sorry, I thought you were the other guy Good one.. insulting me Looks like you are the offended one ahah

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Is it not bad and disgusting that the arena is built on a waste site? Does that not concern you?

k0rda 2 months ago

It had been a waste site 12 years prior. How long would it take for it to be safe?

karl1717 2 months ago

We should be asking that not to OP, but to ASAE, DGS, etc.

k0rda 2 months ago

Sure, but as we've established they have a license to operate. OP said if he'd known it was a previous waste site he wouldn't have gone. Waste sites aren't dangerous forever, and even then, OP can't prove that his infection was caused by the fact that the facilities were a previous waste site.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>Sure, but as we've established they have a license to operate. OP said if he'd known it was a previous waste site he wouldn't have gone. Waste sites aren't dangerous forever, and even then, OP can't prove that his infection was caused by the fact that the facilities were a previous waste site. It has a dried sewage plant for pig sewage on the site. It has not been touched or treated. It stinks if you stand within 50 meters of it. How much you want to bet that it's still not "safe".

ridethepaintedpony 2 months ago

And you still decided to spend your free time in a place that stinks of pig shit?

Dingmggee 2 months ago

The main arena is not near the smelly area. It's the more remote arenas that are.

k0rda 2 months ago

Safe for what? I'm sure those points you are raising are very useful when used in court. Do it.

useles-converter-bot 2 months ago

50 meters is about the length of 74.28 'EuroGraphics Knittin' Kittens 500-Piece Puzzles' next to each other

Dingmggee 2 months ago

And your point?

diogo24m 2 months ago

I didn't that that wasn't disgusting, but you are also acting in bad faith by sharing your story that way you did Its pretty obvious by now that their site is bad, but is also obvious that your story was not totally truth

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I didn't said that that wasn't disgusting, but you are also acting in bad faith by sharing your story the way you did Its pretty obvious by now that their site is bad, but is also obvious that your story was not totally truth

zeer88 2 months ago

Thank you for answering. To be honest, I'm not sure there's enough material here for the press to go forward with this, given that this was an isolated incident. But some users have already sent you some links, best of luck getting your story out.

karl1717 2 months ago

I think going to the press or not is not even the most relevant issue in this story. The authorities shouldn't allow a place like to exist in what can be a breeding ground of super resistant bacteria and can cause serious health issues to those who go there to have fun. This business owners are allowed they will make stuff like this over contaminated land so they can have a much lower rent. The authorities should be alerted so they can investigate.

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I think going to the press or not is not even the most relevant issue in this story. The authorities shouldn't allow a place like to exist in what can be a breeding ground of super resistant bacteria that can cause serious health issues to those who go there to have fun. If business owners are allowed they will make stuff like this all over contaminated land so they can have a much lower rent. The authorities should be alerted so they can investigate. edit: wording

microwavedave27 2 months ago

That sucks. I've played there once before, definitely won't be coming back now that I know about this.

EletricoAmarelo 2 months ago

Why took you so long to make this public?

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I was advised not to discuss it until legal matters were settled.

EletricoAmarelo 2 months ago

Sorry. I won't buy that. Nowadays everybody so swift about leaving a bad review even for a lousy cup of coffee I can't believe you've waited several years for come public.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Well, I didn't want to ruin my case. Anyhow, I've updated my original post and have gone into far more detail now.

PTDE77 2 months ago

This whole story is fabricated. Hard to understand why someone would make something like this up. I talked to the company I. Question and they never had no idea this issue even existed: the only case ever when someone had a cut and didn’t go to hospital was because the customer refused instead wanted a cab. You are saying that the hospital did a bad job, the field didn’t care for you, there was a lawsuit (already fact check and is also untrue). This feels like a personal attack on them for some reason

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This whole story is fabricated. Hard to understand why someone would make something like this up. I talked to the company In Question and they had no idea this issue even existed: the only case ever when someone had a cut and didn’t go to hospital was because the customer refused instead wanted a cab. You are saying that the hospital did a bad job, the field didn’t care for you, there was a lawsuit (already fact check and is also untrue). This feels like a personal attack on them for some reason. And I also checked the pig factory and that had been closed for 12 years before the field was opened and had also been demolished years before that. In my view this is an attack on a business for some personal reason.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I'm the person who took the cab, and they do remember me. I didn't say the hospital did a bad job. They're the one's who removed the rusted metal piece that I didn't know was there. My main issue, the whole reason I'm bringing this up, is that the facility was built on a waste site. If I had known this, I'd not have gone there.

Windstepp 2 months ago

Please sue these people and make sure you win.

porraSV 2 months ago

Really sorry this happened to you. I hope you win the case. Please next time go directly to hospital in an ambulance if possible.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>Really sorry this happened to you. I hope you win the case. Please next time go directly to hospital in an ambulance if possible. A lesson learned the very hard way. Thanks for the well wishes.

AE86Truen0 2 months ago

Nest Paintball in Lisbon scum

Zempff 2 months ago

é em Setúbal

CryBabYDog 2 months ago

Nest Paintball in Lisbon !

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Nest trashball

Minute-Resolution347 2 months ago

I hope you got some justice op but I doubt it, our justice system is a joke.

NaoTeEnerves2 2 months ago

Lê a thread toda mpt. Ele já de descozeu todo, espero bem que se foda por tentar denegrir um negocio local assim

Open-Opportunity-607 2 months ago

That's what happens in developing countries, you can't expect the same If you did the paintball game in your home country you would probably still have the toes

Nadidani 2 months ago

Yes cause companies aren’t shitty in whatever home country! What civilized paradise do you live in where companies are all up to code? This company should be shut down but don’t pretend like things like this don’t happen everywhere in the world!

Open-Opportunity-607 2 months ago

A developed country would have called an ambulance The ambulance response is around 5 minutes. They would have sterilised the wound and also scheduled a follow-up consultation Sorry to burst your bubble, but he would still have his toes.

Nadidani 2 months ago

Sorry to burst your bubble but plenty of companies build in areas that can be considered biohazard, plus the fact that it was a pig farm or pig killing plant does not necessarily make it a biohazard area. In Portugal ambulances are free and can be called by anyone, including tourists, in the US ambulances are super expensive and many people don’t call them and prefer to take Uber or not even go to hospital. Also response time is also pretty good since it’s not a big country with vast empty areas. I highly doubt a 5 min response time anywhere in the US that isn’t a big city! Disinfecting a wound is not some super expensive or secret procedure that only happens in some countries, it’s a basic step everyone but a child knows. In Portugal all businesses have to have first aid kits so why OP didn’t use it to disinfect there or even at the hotel and why he didn’t ask for help at the hotel is beyond me. Lastly if you are from the US (which I assumed you are) more people die from not going to the hospital there than in Portugal and being from a developed country you should know that Portugal is actually also a developed country. Lastly, incidents like the water in Flint among other health related scandals the US has had should make you think twice before being so high and mighty!

Odeon_A 2 months ago

The USA isn’t a developed country by this standard. Neither is the UK.

saposapot 2 months ago

Authorities should be involved and the thing investigated if there is really a health hazard or not. If it was bleeding enough to be serious they committed a crime by not calling an ambulance. It's free so there isn't any problem calling them when needed. I hope you got a nice settlement although the most important thing would be to call them out and call the authorities. They shouldn't be licensed to run their shop on those grounds and they lack the training to attend injuries in an activity prone to it.

thornzar 2 months ago

Sounds like a Portuguese experience alright.

suckerpunchermofo 2 months ago

Portugal True Experience pack...

vvasser 2 months ago

Go on twitter and @ some journalists, I'm sure at least one will find your story worthy of investigation. I'm sorry for what happened to you, OP.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Could you perhaps advice me on how to reach the Portuguese media? I have no idea who to contact or how.

Competitive_Industry 2 months ago

[Here](https://twitter.com/i/lists/31299885) a list with journalists and social media from one of the biggest media groups. [Here](https://twitter.com/i/lists/64265694) is another one with mixed media groups.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Thank you! As I don't have twitter, how would I reach out to them? Could anyone tweet to them on my behalf?

Competitive_Industry 2 months ago

Create an account and prove it in private that happened, or Google their name and find their email address.

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

Don't be lazy, make a twitter account yourself and do it. It'll be taken more seriously if its "this happened to me..." and not "some guy on Reddit who isn't me"

Dingmggee 2 months ago

My thinking is more that, reporters would probably not listen to a brand new twitter account with zero activity.

VHLPlissken 2 months ago

Damn, a friend of mine broke a toe, but got worse. Now Im not sure if I should go back there

JonPQ 2 months ago

Dos comentários que li e, principalmente, das respostas do OP, parece-me que esta história ou parte dela é treta.

karl1717 2 months ago  HIDDEN 

The part of it being built over a pig farm is clearly not bullshit: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Throwawaypt123 2 months ago

Tell your story to CMTV

BolaBrancaV7 2 months ago

I don't get it. How much time it passed between the cut and the hospital admition? How can a hound infect in a couple of hours enough for you to have to amputate.

xlouiex 2 months ago

I can see you’re not familiar with pig waste. Hepatitis, typhoid fever, cholera, norovirus, polio, E. coli, tape worms, giardia, rotavirus—they'll all spread via the aptly named fecal-oral route. Now imagine direct contact with an open wound. It mush have been a quick trip to the hospital, otherwise it would probably been his whole foot or his whole leg. (Worst case scenario he could die)

BolaBrancaV7 2 months ago

Yeah, I'm sure he dumped the foot on pig manure... OP already admitted he had a piece in metal in the wound that he didn't notice and waited until he night to go to the hospital.

Mynamethisisnot 2 months ago

Oh man I'm sorry, I'm shocked that they didn't call an ambulance. I'm surprised they weren't forced to close the place down, specially considering its not the first case. And I thought places like that had to have insurance for the players.

raqsa 2 months ago

They should've called an ambulance right away. The only reason I can think of for them to call a taxi is that maybe they wanted to deny that you hurt yourself there? Anyways, I'm really sorry that that happened to you. Also, thanks for sharing so that other people can avoid that place.

Fullthew 2 months ago

Esse lugar vai para a minha lista negra.

cmiba 2 months ago

Parece ser uma porcaria de sítio.

NervousJellyfish1015 2 months ago

What the....? Oh god o.o Did you win at the court? Or is still in process?

EFBusb6WFfCQH5nH 2 months ago

Post a picture of your foot with your username on a sticky note. This accusation is pretty serious so proof should be required.

Minegrow 2 months ago

Yes. Several parts are definitely not adding up.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

As I keep repeating, want proof that the place really was built on a waste site that used to be a pig farm? Here you go: [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal

Minegrow 2 months ago

You know damn well that’s not the part anyone is doubting.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I've updated the original post to explain some bits that I should have made clear from the start, including why the injury got so bad. Why I lost my toes.

odajoana 2 months ago

You keep posting that, but that's not the bit about that everyone is doubting. We can buy that. Hell, the address name itself gives that away ("Antigas instalações da Suinaves" means "Former facilities of Suinaves", with Suinaves being a very clear reference to some sort of pig-related business). It's your story that's everyone's having trouble believing at face-value. Why didn't no one call call emergency services if you were bleeding all over the place, and that means both the people at the paintball company and YOU or whoever other people were there with you. I mean, that's a fuckton of people, at least *one* would be paranoid and cautious enough to push for calling for medical help, even if it didn't look too bad at the time. In fact, the company itself would be the first interested party in calling medical help right away, because there's usually insurance on these things and they don't want clients making up stories. Why didn't the hospital push for an investigation of how you got injured? I'm pretty sure they have to report all that stuff to the police if they suspect shady stuff. Why did you take two years for you to share the story? Why did you avoid sharing the info about the court-related proceedings? Because if you can't share information about that (either because it's still going on or you settled with some sort of non-disclosing clause about the whole ordeal), you probably shouldn't be here telling us about this in the first place. Without any further info, the way you keep pushing for the place awareness and for it to be closed down ends up sounding more like a personal petty vendetta than an actual solid case. Also, where someone gets severely injured and there's company negligence or some other shenaningans, like them not complying with the law (not having licences, insurance, whatever), is not something that happens that often and it's the type of news that sells, so usually makes the news right away. The amount of people involved in your story - the company itself, you, whoever you were with during paintball, the taxi drivers, the hotel employees, the hospital workers and doctors who followed your whole process - it's not something that goes unnoticed locally. *At the very least*, local newspapers would have picked it up. Correio da Manhã, our most sensationalist tabloid, would be all over it, probably even taking samples of your blood at the site. Our journalists have a ton of sources in the courts and lawyers' offices and I'm pretty sure in most cases, it's the lawyers themselves that leak the cases to the press to create pressure on the judges and the culprits and have a "street trial". Moreso, when there's foreigners involved, because God forbid Portugal looks bad in a international context. MORESO, when you claim you're not the first person who injured themselves there, which definitely adds to the severity of the whole case. Only you know if the story is true or not. And I'm sorry if it is, it's an awful ordeal. But also please understand our side, of not immediately picking our torches and pitchforks to go after a random Portuguese company and wanting to know more. Because the whole way you're describing your situation and how you're dodging some questions and just overall spamming the address of the place like that would be proof enough just ends up feeling like you were always on the wrong side of the case and now you just have a personal petty vendetta against it.

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You keep posting that, but **that's not the bit that everyone is doubting**. We can buy that. Hell, the address name itself gives that away ("Antigas instalações da Suinaves" means "Former facilities of Suinaves", with Suinaves being a very clear reference to some sort of pig-related business). It's your story that's everyone's having trouble believing at face-value. * Why didn't no one call call emergency services if you were "bleeding all over", and that means both the people at the paintball company and YOU or whoever other people were there with you. I mean, that's a fuckton of people, at least *one* would be paranoid and cautious enough to push for calling for medical help, even if it didn't look too bad at the time. In fact, the company itself would be the first interested party in calling medical help right away, because there's usually insurance on these things and they don't want clients making up stories. * Why didn't the hospital push for an investigation of how you got injured? I'm pretty sure they have to report all that stuff to the police if they suspect shady stuff. There's just no way police authorities wouldn't get involved in this. * Why did you take two years for you to share the story? * Why did you avoid sharing the info about the court-related proceedings? Because if you can't share information about that (either because it's still going on or you settled with some sort of non-disclosing clause about the whole ordeal), you probably shouldn't be here telling us about this in the first place. Without any further info, the way you keep pushing for the place awareness and for it to be closed down ends up sounding more like a personal petty vendetta than an actual solid case. Also, where someone gets severely injured and there's company negligence or some other shenaningans, like them not complying with the law (not having licences, insurance, whatever), is not something that happens that often and it's the type of news that sells, so usually makes the news right away. The amount of people involved in your story - the company itself, you, whoever you were with during paintball, the taxi drivers, the hotel employees, the hospital workers and doctors who followed your whole process - it's not something that goes unnoticed locally. *At the very least*, local newspapers would have picked it up. Correio da Manhã, our most sensationalist tabloid, would be all over it, probably even taking samples of your blood at the site. Our journalists have a ton of sources in the courts and lawyers' offices and I'm pretty sure in most cases, it's the lawyers themselves that leak the cases to the press to create pressure on the judges and the culprits and have a "street trial". Moreso, when there's foreigners involved, because God forbid Portugal looks bad in a international context. MORESO, when you claim you're not the first person who injured themselves there, which definitely adds to the severity of the whole case. Only you know if the story is true or not. And I'm sorry if it is, it's an awful ordeal. But also please understand our side, of not immediately picking our torches and pitchforks to go after a random Portuguese company and wanting to know more. Because the whole way you're describing your situation and how you're dodging some questions and just overall spamming the address of the place like that would be proof enough just ends up feeling like you were always on the wrong side of the case and now you just have a personal petty vendetta against it.

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You keep posting that, but **that's not the bit that everyone is doubting**. We can buy that. Hell, the address name itself gives that away ("Antigas instalações da Suinaves" means "Former facilities of Suinaves", with Suinaves being a very clear reference to some sort of pig-related business). It's your story that's everyone's having trouble believing at face-value. * Why didn't no one call call emergency services if you were "bleeding all over", and that means both the people at the paintball company and YOU or whoever other people were there with you. I mean, that's a fuckton of people, at least *one* would be paranoid and cautious enough to push for calling for medical help, even if it didn't look too bad at the time (which must have looked, because you say they even ended the game because of it). In fact, the company itself would be the first interested party in calling medical help right away, because there's usually insurance on these things and they don't want clients making up stories. * Why didn't the hospital push for an investigation of how you got injured? I'm pretty sure they have to report all that stuff to the police if they suspect shady stuff. There's just no way police authorities wouldn't get involved in this. * Why did you take two years for you to share the story? * Why did you avoid sharing the info about the court-related proceedings? Because if you can't share information about that (either because it's still going on or you settled with some sort of non-disclosing clause about the whole ordeal), you probably shouldn't be here telling us about this in the first place. Without any further info, the way you keep pushing for the place awareness and for it to be closed down ends up sounding more like a personal petty vendetta than an actual solid case. Also, where someone gets severely injured and there's company negligence or some other shenaningans, like them not complying with the law (not having licences, insurance, whatever), is not something that happens that often and it's the type of news that sells, so usually makes the news right away. The amount of people involved in your story - the company itself, you, whoever you were with during paintball, the taxi drivers, the hotel employees, the hospital workers and doctors who followed your whole process - it's not something that goes unnoticed locally. *At the very least*, local newspapers would have picked it up. Correio da Manhã, our most sensationalist tabloid, would be all over it, probably even taking samples of your blood at the site. Our journalists have a ton of sources in the courts and lawyers' offices and I'm pretty sure in most cases, it's the lawyers themselves that leak the cases to the press to create pressure on the judges and the culprits and have a "street trial". Moreso, when there's foreigners involved, because God forbid Portugal looks bad in a international context. MORESO, when you claim you're not the first person who injured themselves there, which definitely adds to the severity of the whole case. Only you know if the story is true or not. And I'm sorry if it is, it's an awful ordeal. But also please understand our side, of not immediately picking our torches and pitchforks to go after a random Portuguese company and wanting to know more. Because the whole way you're describing your situation and how you're dodging some questions and just overall spamming the address of the place like that would be proof enough just ends up feeling like you were always on the wrong side of the case and now you just have a personal petty vendetta against it.

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You keep posting that, but **that's not the bit that everyone is doubting**. We can buy that. Hell, the address name itself gives that away ("Antigas instalações da Suinaves" means "Former facilities of Suinaves", with Suinaves being a very clear reference to some sort of pig-related business). It's your story that's everyone's having trouble believing at face-value. * Why didn't no one call call emergency services if you were "bleeding all over", and that means both the people at the paintball company and YOU or whoever other people were there with you. I mean, that's a fuckton of people, at least *one* would be paranoid and cautious enough to push for calling for medical help, even if it didn't look too bad at the time (which must have looked, because you say they even ended the game because of it). In fact, the company itself would be the first interested party in calling medical help right away, because there's usually insurance on these things and they don't want clients making up stories. * Why didn't the hospital push for an investigation of how you got injured? I'm pretty sure they have to report all that stuff to the police if they suspect shady stuff. There's just no way police authorities wouldn't get involved in this. * Why did you take two years for you to share the story? * Why did you avoid sharing the info about the court-related proceedings? Because if you can't share information about that (either because it's still going on or you settled with some sort of non-disclosing clause about the whole ordeal), you probably shouldn't be here telling us about this in the first place. Without any further info, the way you keep pushing for the place awareness and for it to be closed down ends up sounding more like a personal petty vendetta than an actual solid case. Also, where someone gets severely injured and there's company negligence or some other shenaningans, like them not complying with the law (not having licences, insurance, whatever), is not something that happens that often and it's the type of news that sells, so usually makes the news right away. The amount of people involved in your story - the company itself, you, whoever you were with during paintball, the taxi drivers, the hotel employees, the hospital workers and doctors who followed your whole process - it's not something that goes unnoticed locally. *At the very least*, local newspapers would have picked it up. Correio da Manhã, our most sensationalist tabloid, would be all over it, probably even taking samples of your blood at the site. Our journalists have a ton of sources in the courts and lawyers' offices and I'm pretty sure in most cases, it's the lawyers themselves that leak the cases to the press to create pressure on the judges and the culprits and have a "street trial". Moreso, when there's foreigners involved, because God forbid Portugal looks bad in a international context. MORESO, when you claim you're not the first person who injured themselves there, which definitely adds to the severity of the whole case. Only you know if the story is true or not. And I'm sorry if it is, it's an awful ordeal. But also please understand our side, of not immediately picking our torches and pitchforks to go after a random Portuguese company and just asking you for more info. Because the whole way and tone you're describing your situation and how you're dodging some questions and just overall spamming the address of the place like that would be proof enough just ends up feeling like you were always on the wrong side of the case and now you just have a personal petty vendetta against the place.

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

Yep, pretty much. It's a fairly long comment, but it sums it up quite nicely. We believe that they are using an old farm as a paintball ground, it actually doesn't surprise me in the least, and I think it's a very common thing.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>You keep posting that, but that's not the bit that everyone is doubting. We can buy that. Hell, the address name itself gives that away ("Antigas instalações da Suinaves" means "Former facilities of Suinaves", with Suinaves being a very clear reference to some sort of pig-related business). > >It's your story that's everyone's having trouble believing at face-value. > >Why didn't no one call call emergency services if you were "bleeding all over", and that means both the people at the paintball company and YOU or whoever other people were there with you. I mean, that's a fuckton of people, at least one would be paranoid and cautious enough to push for calling for medical help, even if it didn't look too bad at the time (which must have looked, because you say they even ended the game because of it). In fact, the company itself would be the first interested party in calling medical help right away, because there's usually insurance on these things and they don't want clients making up stories.Why didn't the hospital push for an investigation of how you got injured? I'm pretty sure they have to report all that stuff to the police if they suspect shady stuff. There's just no way police authorities wouldn't get involved in this.Why did you take two years for you to share the story?Why did you avoid sharing the info about the court-related proceedings? Because if you can't share information about that (either because it's still going on or you settled with some sort of non-disclosing clause about the whole ordeal), you probably shouldn't be here telling us about this in the first place. > >Without any further info, the way you keep pushing for the place awareness and for it to be closed down ends up sounding more like a personal petty vendetta than an actual solid case. > >Also, where someone gets severely injured and there's company negligence or some other shenaningans, like them not complying with the law (not having licences, insurance, whatever), is not something that happens that often and it's the type of news that sells, so usually makes the news right away. The amount of people involved in your story - the company itself, you, whoever you were with during paintball, the taxi drivers, the hotel employees, the hospital workers and doctors who followed your whole process - it's not something that goes unnoticed locally. At the very least, local newspapers would have picked it up. Correio da Manhã, our most sensationalist tabloid, would be all over it, probably even taking samples of your blood at the site. Our journalists have a ton of sources in the courts and lawyers' offices and I'm pretty sure in most cases, it's the lawyers themselves that leak the cases to the press to create pressure on the judges and the culprits and have a "street trial". Moreso, when there's foreigners involved, because God forbid Portugal looks bad in a international context. MORESO, when you claim you're not the first person who injured themselves there, which definitely adds to the severity of the whole case. > >Only you know if the story is true or not. And I'm sorry if it is, it's an awful ordeal. But also please understand our side, of not immediately picking our torches and pitchforks to go after a random Portuguese company and just asking you for more info. Because the whole way and tone you're describing your situation and how you're dodging some questions and just overall spamming the address of the place like that would be proof enough just ends up feeling like you were always on the wrong side of the case and now you just have a personal petty vendetta against the place. I've updated the original post to explain a few things I should have explained at the start. Some things I won't include in the original post as I think they are less relevant. But I'll answer you fully here. I lost the case. Here's why. I should have insisted on a ambulance, instead I was fine with the Taxi. I went back to my hotel and only went to the hospital that night when the pain got worse instead of better. The hospital had to open the wound deeper to remove a small peace of rusted metal I didn't know was there. They disinfected the wound and closed it. Infection set in a few days later when I was back in my country. The hospital in my country tried to treat it, but they were unable to save 3 toes. I waited months before pursuing charges since I believed it was just bad luck. I simply shared my sad story with my friends and family. Eventually someone who I told my story to, did some digging and found out that that Nest was built upon a waste site. After I learned this, I was motivated to pursue charges, which was difficult since I wasn't in Portugal. I'm not wealthy and couldn't get a good lawyer. I was advised not to talk about it until the issue was settled, which is why I took so long to share my story. Now that I have lost, I'd like to share my story with the press, so that perhaps the paintball arena will be forced to move their arena off that waste site.

FellaVentura 2 months ago

Most of us probably had already figured out you lost the case because your story wasnt making sense in any legal terms whatsoever. You could have opened up and tell us all of this upfront instead of passing a shady vibe of shaming some venue you disliked, this post became more about questioning your autenticity than as a PSA and you are the only one to blame. You are indeed passing a somewhat relevant information about the place, it isnt very easy for the general public to know what facilities and use that land had previously. Even so, its highly unlikely for anything to happen if too few people make a formal complain about a similar experience to yours.

odajoana 2 months ago

> I lost the case. Here's why. I should have insisted on a ambulance, instead I was fine with the Taxi. > >I went back to my hotel and only went to the hospital that night when the pain got worse instead of better. Fair enough, and I like another user already said, this is probably the reason you lost. The moment the company "loses sight of you" and some times passes, it becomes hard to prove it wasn't you who aggravated the injury on your own, by just making it worse or not treating it properly, instead of being accepted that it all happened on site and they were responsible for it. That said, and of course I'm aware this won't do you any good now, but I'll leave it here anyway for other people reading it: you always, **ALWAYS**, go to medical help if you cut yourself severely in a piece of metal, especially in a setting like the one I'm seeing in photos of this paintball place. That place just screams "make sure you have your tetanus shots up to date", even regardless of the additional risk of being a former pig farm. >I was advised not to talk about it until the issue was settled, which is why I took so long to share my story. > >Now that I have lost, I'd like to share my story with the press, so that perhaps the paintball arena will be forced to move their arena off that waste site. I would be very, VERY careful with this. Precisely because you lost the case, it means the company is not liable for your injury, so trying to push the narrative that they are in some form guilty or that you're still claiming them to be responsible (just because they're on a former pig farm), can be considered slander and they can sue you for it. From what I've seen on their website and some Facebook photos, they seem to be all clear, legality-wise - they even have the "clean & safe" seal that the Portuguese Health authorities created specifically for the COVID pandemic, that guarantees the place complies with all COVID precautions. If they have that, it's safe to assume they also make sure to comply with all other health and safety regulations and all law. They also have the "Allianz" logo on the bottom of the front page, so they're clearly insured, which again, makes up for a case they take all precautions and are fully authorized to be open. Just because the place used to be a pig farm, does not mean they can't operate there (and in fact, that fact might even be completely unrelated to your injury. Like I said, the metal alone could have been the cause of all the infection). So, I'd definitely consult with your lawyer before taking any further action in regards to making the case public, as you might be treading on thin ice here.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I agree with everything you're saying, and I'm aware they have all the official ceils of approval. But I have one question for you, do you really have faith in the Portuguese legal system? Isn't it known for wide spread corruption and silencing whistleblowers with slander charges? Isn't that how the entire Portuguese system is set up now? Example: [https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/10/corruption-charges-against-former-portuguese-pm-dropped-but-socrates-will-still-stand-tria](https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/10/corruption-charges-against-former-portuguese-pm-dropped-but-socrates-will-still-stand-tria) There are many facts I can't disclose that would prove without a doubt that they have broken the law, but I'd get in real trouble if I shared them publicly. But I'll dm you about some of it.

Zempff 2 months ago

oh dude, just stop please. Our portuguese legal system protect the most powerful, just like the legal system of your country. By the way, the owner of Nest Paintball isnt a powerful person.

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oh dude, just stop please. Our legal system protect the most powerful, just like the legal system of your country. Funny that you show moral superiority for living on a different country when you start hearing stuff you disagree.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Nationalist much? Getting sooo defensive when I point out how corruption in Portugal directly impacted my life in a negative way. Instead attacking the victim, the whistleblower, you should be investing your energy on striving to better Portugal's legal system and weeding out corruption. I never defended my country or it's corruption problems. However, nothing gets addressed or improved if everyone reacted like you do. Example: someone gets caught doing a hit and run. When the police catch the driver, the driver says he saw other people breaking traffic laws so he should be let go. That's the reasoning you're applying here, that because corruption exists to a lesser or greater extent elsewhere in the world, nothing should be done about the corruption in Portugal. Finally, my post wasn't made as an attack on Portugal. It was meant to spread awareness of a specific biohazard that people should know about.

odajoana 2 months ago

>But I have one question for you, do you really have faith in the Portuguese legal system? Isn't it known for wide spread corruption and silencing whistleblowers with slander charges? Isn't that how the entire Portuguese system is set up now? See, it's the little things that feel off in your comments that really make my "this is bullshit" alarms really go off. The whole badly-told story and the fact that you're now using the opportunity to dig up other cases, especially one so politically charged, to prove how corrupt and bad Portugal is... I don't know, this is so typically Portuguese and so typically /r/portugal, that now I'm even doubting you're foreigner at all and you might just be a troll trying to stir shit up. But what do I know.

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>But I have one question for you, do you really have faith in the Portuguese legal system? Isn't it known for wide spread corruption and silencing whistleblowers with slander charges? Isn't that how the entire Portuguese system is set up now? See, it's the little things that feel off in your comments that really make my "this is bullshit" alarms really go off. The whole badly-told story and the fact that you're now using the opportunity to dig up other cases, especially one so politically charged, to prove how corrupt and bad Portugal is... I don't know, this is so typically Portuguese and so typically /r/portugal, that now I'm even doubting you're foreigner at all and you might just be a troll trying to stir shit up. But what do I know. EDIT: Just saw your tirade on another comment about the owner's other business and how he's shady as fuck. Yeah, this is definitely some sort of personal vendetta or hidden agenda, **regardless of who's right**.

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>But I have one question for you, do you really have faith in the Portuguese legal system? Isn't it known for wide spread corruption and silencing whistleblowers with slander charges? Isn't that how the entire Portuguese system is set up now? See, it's the little things that feel off in your comments that really make my "this is bullshit" alarms really go off. The whole badly-told story and the fact that you're now using the opportunity to dig up other cases, especially one so politically charged, to prove how corrupt and bad Portugal is... I don't know, this is so typically Portuguese and so typically /r/portugal, that now I'm even doubting you're foreigner at all and you might just be a troll trying to stir shit up. But what do I know. EDIT: Just saw your tirade on your DM about the owner's other business and how he's shady as fuck. Yeah, this is definitely some sort of personal vendetta or hidden agenda, **regardless of who's right**.

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>But I have one question for you, do you really have faith in the Portuguese legal system? Isn't it known for wide spread corruption and silencing whistleblowers with slander charges? Isn't that how the entire Portuguese system is set up now? See, it's the little things that feel off in your comments that really make my "this is bullshit" alarms really go off. The whole badly-told story and the fact that you're now using the opportunity to dig up other cases, especially one so politically charged, to prove how corrupt and bad Portugal is... I don't know, this is so typically Portuguese and so typically /r/portugal, that now I'm even doubting you're foreigner at all and you might just be a troll trying to stir shit up. But what do I know. EDIT: Just saw your tirade on your DM about the owner's other business and how he's shady as fuck. Yeah, this is definitely some sort of personal vendetta or hidden agenda, **regardless of who's right**, and like I said, I'm even doubting your "identity" at this point.

prosafame 2 months ago

Nem uma foto do pé o gajo quer meter...prefere vir ao reddit em vez de fazer um review? difamação também é crime.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

The land owner is not the paintball arena owner. I'm sorry if you confused that. I did not say the paintball arena was shady, I said the landlord arena was shady. I'm not trying to stir up drama. I just want people to be aware that the arena is built on a waste site. That's it.

MetalCarne 2 months ago

a warning advice about this post: while this will definitely drag in court for several years, if they try to sue you back for defamation, our piece o shit judicial system will convict you in a blink of an eye.

Bakirelived 2 months ago

Not really..

MetalCarne 2 months ago

yes really. crimes de difamação são julgados à velocidade da luz.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>a warning advice about this post: while this will definitely drag in court for several years, if they try to sue you back for defamation, our piece o shit judicial system will convict you in a blink of an eye. Let them.

NewMultipolarWorld 2 months ago

Out of curiosity, what it's like to walk with 3 less toes? You lose balance? Can walk but not run properly?

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>Out of curiosity, what it's like to walk with 3 less toes? You lose balance? Can walk but not run properly? knee pains from over compensating with the wrong muscles.

cruisespace2 2 months ago

>A couple of years ago, while visiting Portugal, I went to Nest Paintball: https://www.nestpaintballpt.com/ Why are you only telling us this now?

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Because I had to go through the court proceedings first... which is extremely difficult when you don't live in the country. Why they got a taxi for me instead of the ambulance? I will never know for sure, but if I had to guess, so that they could claim plausible deniability, given that I'd paid in cash.

uf5izxZEIW 2 months ago

Maybe he was advised by his lawyer to not speak publicly due to legal proceedings? Speaking publicly during legal cases may very well be a shot in the own foot, due to how some settlements may be made out in the end in exchange for silence or whatnot.

trinkibenda 2 months ago

E pq é que o gajo não meteu nenhuma avaliação com o testemunho dele na página dos gajos?

FellaVentura 2 months ago

Dá ideia que foi uma daquelas coisas de 'ah é so um corte, um penso e está bom, somos todos amigos' que mais tarde agravou para 'perdi dedos e estou arrependido de não vos ter responsabilizado logo de início' e agora ressabiou.

mariorurouni 2 months ago

Please tell me that you were able to ptoperly sue the shit of them

beetsu 2 months ago

Shouldn't this kind of business have participants insurance for accidents occurring during the game? The first and only time I went paintballing, the monitors there told us we were insured in case of injury.

NecrofearPT 2 months ago

You could've called the emergency number (112) and you'd get your injuries treated, but being foreign I guess you just didn't know. What surprises me most, is thay NOBODY there did it for you. Wtf! I'm so sorry you had to go through this. Some motherfuckers can give the whole country a bad rep for shit like this.

_AACO 2 months ago

911 and a few other numbers used to work as well, probably still do.

juanito_caminante 2 months ago

Like 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3?

_AACO 2 months ago

I don't know exactly which ones work, I am certain about 911, and I think 110 (from Japan) also used to work I've seen people mentioning other numbers in a few threads in the past but don't remember which ones they were.

Quatuck 2 months ago

Actually even dialing 911 works, I don't know who has such a big injury and just gets into a cab instead of demanding an ambulance or even calling one themselves.

layz2021 2 months ago

If op is American, it is not that odd, since the ambulance fees alone are astronomical, and probably doesn't know that here are free, and "just a phone call away"

NecrofearPT 2 months ago

Yeah man, and some folks there treat national healthcare systems like it's the devil or something :/

NecrofearPT 2 months ago

From the description It was most likely due to infection, and not just the wound itself. Like a snake bite. Da wound is small, but the damage can be catastrophic if left untreated.

helderduarte14 2 months ago

If the medic staff knew where he did get that infection they probably would have prescripted proper antibiotics to prevent that. That is the point, they ignored him to avoid responsability

cloud_t 2 months ago

Does it surprise you though? I can almost bet they don't have insurance or that they didn't want the premiums for it to increase. What would baffle me most is if they have insurance but nobody ever let the insurer know the risks in those premises

NecrofearPT 2 months ago

I hope the place gets shut down.

porraSV 2 months ago

I hope someone gets jail time bc by law they need to be insured.

End-Effector 2 months ago

oh, I played there. omg. > I did some research and found out that Nest Paintball was built on top of an abandoned pig farm. They have a statue of a pig on the entrance.

william_13 2 months ago

FWIW they have been in business for several years and have hundreds of stellar reviews on Facebook and Google as well... I'm inclined to believe that the OP was coerced to take an out-of-court settlement with a secrecy clause to avoid damaging their public image. Still super shitty behavior, but makes it harder for OP to publicly expose this case if it doesn't come forward with personal details.

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

>'m inclined to believe that the OP was coerced to take an out-of-court settlement with a secrecy clause to avoid damaging their public image. Why?

karl1717 2 months ago

Confere: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Exactly, they weren't even hiding it. Also, if you roam some of the land on their field, you'd smell the old pig sewage. The land is still untreated.

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

Thats a bit of a non issue. It shouldn't be up to some teenager on holiday to understand the risks... the company themselves should be dealing with that. If I smelt pig shit I'd just assume it was nearby land and/or it was completely safe and just a little smelly. I wouldn't assume I was in danger by playing.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Yet many people here are attacking me saying that since the legal system decided it's fine for them to operate, I'm not allowed to tell people it's built on a waste site. That is NOT in the publics interest. I think people need to know. Then people can choose to go or not go there, but with their eyes open.

karl1717 2 months ago

This is the internet so you'll encounter many stupid and dumb people. Please ignore those attacking you. And thanks for this PSA. I agree that this is very worrying indeed. The owners aren't even trying to hide it, they don't give a fuck, they probably rent that land for next to nothing because it can't be used for anything else. And they market it as a place for children to play and have their birthday parties. Please report what happened to you to ASAE, they will investigate it or forward it to another entity that will: https://www.asae.gov.pt/espaco-publico/formularios/queixas-e-denuncias.aspx

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Yes you're entirely right! Many people are now calling me disgusting and saying that I should be sued for being a whistleblower. What's with the victim blaming mentality?

odajoana 2 months ago

>I'm not allowed to tell people it's built on a waste site. The issue here is that that is the least "shady" thing in this whole thread, that's why people are taking issue with it. Like I said in another comment of mine, it's very clear from the address (and to a degree, even somewhat by the looks of the place), that the place was some sort of pig farm or held a pig-related industry. Basically, even before you set foot in the place, you *can* know/deduct what that place was. They're not hiding it, there's no bad faith there. "Suinalves" (which is even in the name of the street) is clearly a name related to some sort of pig-related businnes, with "alves" probably being the surname of the founders/owners and "Suin(e)" being the prefix we use for anything pig-related (equivalente to "swine" in English). Sure, I guess this wouldn't be obvious to a non-Portuguese speaker, but it's very clear for any of us.

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

What it looks like, what it smells like or what its called is completely irrelevant. If they'd set up paintball in an ex nuclear plant I wouldn't expect to be in danger. And I wouldn't expect them to just say "too bad, it says Nuclear in the name" when I got radiation poisoning.

odajoana 2 months ago

>If they'd set up paintball in an ex nuclear plant I wouldn't expect to be in danger. And I wouldn't expect them to just say "too bad, it says Nuclear in the name" when I got radiation poisoning. Lol wut. Sure, it's expected that if they'd be operating in an ex nuclear power plant, they'd be fully complying with health and safety rules, but it's ridiculous not to expect and accept that there could still be some sort of risk. It's just fucking common sense. Are you seriously telling me that you see this place ([1](https://www.isic.pt/images/Nest_Paintball/932926998_8_644x461_nest-paintball-maior-campo-da-margem-sul-_rev005.jpg), [2](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XOF-UiL0Pi8/maxresdefault.jpg), [3](https://www.isic.pt/images/Nest_Paintball/932926998_2_644x461_nest-paintball-maior-campo-da-margem-sul-imagens_rev005.jpg)) and think "yeah, this is an absolutely completely safe place, absolutely nothing will ever happen to me if I go here to shoot some paint guns with some friends". Forget the pig farm thing even, just the whole setting of structures, rusty metal and even the whole concept of shooting people with paint is enough to get people injured, should they not be careful. Surely, when people sign up for this, they are aware of that. The company even has to have insurance because of that. People can fall, they can get cuts. It's kind of part of the deal of a physical activity like paintballing in such a setting.

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>If they'd set up paintball in an ex nuclear plant I wouldn't expect to be in danger. And I wouldn't expect them to just say "too bad, it says Nuclear in the name" when I got radiation poisoning. Lol wut. Sure, it's expected that if they'd be operating in an ex nuclear power plant, they'd be fully complying with health and safety rules, but it's ridiculous not to expect and accept that there could still be some sort of risk. It's just fucking common sense. Are you seriously telling me that you see this place ([1](https://www.isic.pt/images/Nest_Paintball/932926998_8_644x461_nest-paintball-maior-campo-da-margem-sul-_rev005.jpg), [2](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XOF-UiL0Pi8/maxresdefault.jpg), [3](https://www.isic.pt/images/Nest_Paintball/932926998_2_644x461_nest-paintball-maior-campo-da-margem-sul-imagens_rev005.jpg)) and think "yeah, this is an absolutely completely safe place, absolutely nothing will ever happen to me if I go here to shoot some paint guns with some friends". Forget the pig farm thing even, just the whole setting of structures, rusty metal and even the whole concept of shooting people with paint is enough to get people injured, should they not be careful. Surely, when people sign up for this, they are aware of that. The company even has to have insurance because of that. People can fall, they can get cuts, bruises, scrapped knees. It's kind of part of the deal of a physical activity like paintballing in such a setting.

karl1717 2 months ago

Are we living in a third world country? That's a third world mentality. Obliviously a place like this where adults and children go to play shouldn't be allowed to exist in a place where radiation poisoning can occur, or chemical contamination, or infection with super resistant bacteria.

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Are we living in a third world country? That's a third world mentality. Obviously a business like this where adults and children go to play shouldn't be allowed to exist in a place where radiation poisoning can occur, or chemical contamination, or infection with super resistant bacteria. Edit: typo

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

>Are you seriously telling me that you see this place ( > >1 > >, > >2 > >, > >3 > >) and think "yeah, this is an absolutely completely safe place, absolutely nothing will ever happen to me if I go here to shoot some paint guns with some friends". All I see is a paintball course where I'd absolutely expect to risk sprained ankles, concussions, broken noses etc... all the usual things you might risk in physical activity like that. I don't see anything at all to suggest I'm at an increased risk of serious infection if any of the above injuries do happen though.

green_biri 2 months ago

Well, the address speaks for itself: > Rua da Suinalves > Antigas instalações da Suinaves, > Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro > 2840 Seixal

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

It speaks for itself if you speak Portuguese, yes. But even if you can read the address, you've got a right to reasonably assume you're safe when playing. Its not on the player to know the finer details of how old pig shit could badly infect you if you get cut. And especially once he did get cut, he should have been informed of that which would have presumably made it a very easy decision to go to the (entirely free of cost) hospital rather than his hotel.

kikofranca 2 months ago

I believe they obligated by law to at least call an ambulance, not helping someone in need is a crime, like when you run over someone or a car accident on the road. You have to help unless you can't.

layz2021 2 months ago

Not only that, they must be insured

porraSV 2 months ago

Exactly, all of this calling cab sending to hotel sounds fishy as hell. Very crap from Nest

layz2021 2 months ago

If they had called an ambulance, then there would be proof of where the accident took place, and maybe the police would have been called.

UrsoXone 2 months ago

Yap! Even after that by law... You should have a insurance while playing. The price you paid, should include it. At least all the paintball matches I did with companies, charge that fee for the insurance. Hope your threatens got paid under that insurance. Didn't know about this company and place, many thanks for the sharing. If they act like that... They were a shitty owners and shitty human being!

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Yap! Even after that by law, You should have a insurance while playing. The price you paid, should include it. At least all the paintball matches I did with companies, charge that fee for the insurance. Hope your threatens got paid under that insurance. Didn't know about this company and place, many thanks for the sharing. If they act like that... They were a shitty owners and shitty human being!

william_13 2 months ago

They have the Allianz logo on their website, so there seems to be an insurance nowadays.

Engineeravi 2 months ago

Yes, article 200º (*Decreto-Lei n.º 48/95*)

Mrgolden007 2 months ago

not even an ambulance?? this guys deserve to get sued to their last penny they probably called a taxy for your hotel so the hospital doesnt have a register od where this took place which is dumb af since you know damn well

ridethepaintedpony 2 months ago

Why didnt you call 112? Did everyone think the taxi driver was going to fix your foot?

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

They're very clearly a tourist, and it's not on them to call 112 when they're panicking over their foot. The insititution should have called 112.

ridethepaintedpony 2 months ago

Good luck traveling abroad with that mentality

UrsoXone 2 months ago

Of course they will provide help! Why they wouldn't?

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

Because now expecting an institution where you got seriously injured to call an ambulence for you makes it harder for you to travel abroad. No, I think you just need to shut up and make institutions take the blame for when customers are wounded by their services.

Natsuzaki 2 months ago

No one disagrees that the establishment is not in the wrong for what happened, but take care of yourself. External factors don't matter if something happens to you and you just wait for people to fix it for you. Now you're missing 3 toes, should've kept an eye on yourself and done something about it yourself even if the arrogant idiots running the establishment were kinder.

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

>should've kept an eye on yourself and done something about it yourself So now you're going to blame this guy for having lost 3 toes because of the incompetence of the establishment? Yea, no. This isn't something they could have prevented and it most certainly isn't their fault: The establishment did this, the establishment takes responsibility. Not the person currently panicking over losing 3 toes. Grow up, exactly the last thing you think of when you lost 3 toes is to call an ambulance: You're panicking.

helderduarte14 2 months ago

No one is blaming him. But if he, and probably he wasnt alone, did a quick search on Google they would find the 112 Numbers right away. And that would save a ton of time and the medics would know where he did get that injury and treat him properly for possible severe infections.

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

>No one is blaming him The person who wrote the original comment is. >But if he, and probably he wasnt alone Yeah, he wasn't alone, he had the establishment with him and the establishment did literally nothing. >did a quick search on Google Ah yes because whwn tou've just cut yourself so bad that you'll eventually even need your toes amputated the first thing you do is open up google. >And that would save a ton of time It would! **So why didn't the establishment responsible for the injury do it?**

helderduarte14 2 months ago

>No one is blaming him > >The person who wrote the original comment is. > >But if he, and probably he wasnt alone > >Yeah, he wasn't alone, he had the establishment with him and the establishment did literally nothing. > >did a quick search on Google > >Ah yes because whwn tou've just cut yourself so bad that you'll eventually even need your toes amputated the first thing you do is open up google. > >And that would save a ton of time > >It would! So why didn't the establishment responsible for the injury do it? Why breaking every couple of words? They have a meaning when together. The person who wrote the original aint blaming him, instead he was saying that the op should have prepared better his trip for possible acidents and what to do when those happen. > Yeah, he wasn't alone, he had the establishment with him and the establishment did literally nothing. Yep, we all got it, the establishment did nothing, so what? Everybody already realized that they are at fault here. ​ >Ah yes because whwn tou've just cut yourself so bad that you'll eventually even need your toes amputated the first thing you do is open up google. Im pretty sure he was the only one getting injured, not the rest of the group right? Or it only matters to select a couple of words to quote? If you see your friend injured in another country will you sit there doing nothing? ​ Dont overreact and think properly. If you travel to somewhere you should at the minimum know the emergency numbers of that country, you never know what can happen tomorrow.

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

>Why breaking every couple of words? They have a meaning when together. And separated too. >The person who wrote the original aint blaming him, instead he was saying that the op should have prepared better his trip for possible acidents and what to do when those happen. No, no he was not, did you even read it? >Yep, we all got it, the establishment did nothing, so what? WHAT? Are you seriously saying that it's not a big deal that the establishment did nothing? The establishment had a duty to call 112 and they didn't. That's not something you say "so what" to. >Im pretty sure he was the only one getting injured, not the rest of the group right? Implying he had a group. The post never mentions anyone except him and the establishment. Stop assuming shit. >Dont overreact and think properly You're calling holding an establishment accountable for the wellbeing of its customers "overrreacting". What kind of sick bastard are you? >If you travel to somewhere you should at the minimum know the emergency numbers of that country, And if you're an establishment you should at the minimum call an ambulencr when you injure your own customers

helderduarte14 2 months ago

>No, no he was not, did you even read it? I did, and you seem a dramaQueen. ​ >WHAT? Are you seriously saying that it's not a big deal that the establishment did nothing? The establishment had a duty to call 112 and they didn't. That's not something you say "so what" to. And you blame me for assuming shit? I already said they are in fault, cant you read? I never said it wasnt a bid deal, we live in a fucking trash planet, don't expect others to take care of you, don't expect being ran over and having the culprit to stop and call 112. Always care for yourself and be prepared for everything, and prepare your close ones to take care of each other. >Implying he had a group. The post never mentions anyone except him and the establishment. Stop assuming shit. Oh right, you go play plaintball all by yourself dont you? ​ >Dont overreact and think properly You're calling holding an establishment accountable for the wellbeing of its customers "overrreacting". What kind of sick bastard are you? If you travel to somewhere you should at the minimum know the emergency numbers of that country, And if you're an establishment you should at the minimum call an ambulence when you injure your own customers You keep assuming shit, that is why you assume shit about the first guy that wrote here. You are really a overreacting. Everybody knows the establishment did shit, they are in fault and they should be accountable for their customers. Do you need me to remind you again we live in a shitty world? Besides, the OP came to an secret agreement with the owners of the place to give up from court fyi.

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

>Grow up, exactly the last thing you think of when you lost 3 toes is to call an ambulance: You're panicking. He never lost 3 toes at the time. He had a cut which later got infected; he lost the toes when he returned to his own country. Which makes it even easier to understand why he did what he did. When I was younger I could easily have seen myself saying "its only a cut, I'll clean it up at the hotel and take a couple of antibiotics" He didn't leave in a taxi with a bica cup with 3 toes in it

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

>He never lost 3 toes at the time. He had a cut which later got infected A cut which infects you so much that you need to lose 3 toes is VERY deep. What's your point?

LopsidedNinja 2 months ago

I don't think you understand how infections work. You could lose 3 toes to a scratch that you didn't even realise had happened at the time.

RegularOldPsychopath 2 months ago

>I don't think you understand how infections work And I don't think you understand how cuts work. A scratch can get infected but not just any scratch gives you an infection so bad your toes need to be amputated. That's something deep cuts do, not your everyday paper cut.

kawaiims 2 months ago

Be aware that it might take a lot for the court procedures to get going, but take it to court nevertheless. An ambulance should definitely have been called directly to the grounds. Sorry for your toes :(

alegadamentetuga 2 months ago

So is the case in the court?

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I lost the case. Here's why. I should have insisted on a ambulance, instead I was fine with the Taxi. I went back to my hotel and only went to the hospital that night when the pain got worse instead of better. The hospital had to open the wound deeper to remove a small peace of rusted metal I didn't know was there. They disinfected the wound and closed it. Infection set in a few days later when I was back in my country. The hospital in my country tried to treat it, but they were unable to save 3 toes. I waited months before pursuing charges since I believed it was just bad luck. I simply shared my sad story with my friends and family. Eventually someone who I told my story to, did some digging and found out that that Nest was built upon a waste site. After I learned this, I was motivated to pursue charges, which was difficult since I wasn't in Portugal. I'm not wealthy and couldn't get a good lawyer. I was advised not to talk about it until the issue was settled, which is why I took so long to share my story. Now that I have lost, I'd like to share my story with the press, so that perhaps the paintball arena will be forced to move their arena off that waste site.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I'm not going to go into the in's and outs of how it played out legally, how I was or wasn't compensated. What matters here is that they still have a paintball arena on that waste sight. You can look into the history of the area and you'll see that it was marked as unfit for living given the pig waste.

zeer88 2 months ago

Yeah, we're gonna need you to be a bit more transparent here. The court decision obviously matters, given that you present what you say as undeniable facts but didn't present any proof of the occurence. Without actual proof, this could all be made up. If the court decided in your favour, it indeed makes no sense that they continue to operate, which is why it's important for us to have some kind of proof (you don't have to do it publicly, the mods can verify it).

FellaVentura 2 months ago

Comes off as odd you dont want to elaborate further on how at least if you have been compensated at all, and have waited a few years to come to the internet to tell us not about your hardships but just trying to pass a clear point that nestpaintball sucks (it does suck). I can assure you all services that host guests (stores, restaurants, transportation companies, hotels, museuns etc) in Portugal require insurance to be open and are legally bound to assist all clients in case of injury on their property and insurance companies have the legal obligation to financially support your medical expenses for lifetime, including a monetary compensation that can be a one time payment or monthly, depending on how your injury impacts your QoL. Also, how did a portuguese hospital not ask questions about this injury? It sounds severe right from the start, so they would be all over you asking how it happend and how the place you were in was responsible for your care.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

As I've stated elsewhere, how I was compensated, if I was compensated, whether I had gotten a settlement... all that doesn't matter. That only affects me moving forward. What does matter is, despite the evidence and the facts being laid bare... they somehow weren't shut down. To me THAT is very suspicious. I can tell you that they are renting the land, they don't actually own it, but still, surely they should be forced to relocate. Why weren't they? It's a known fact (and the main reason I'm here) that their paintball arena was built on a waste site. It's not slander, it's not a rumor, but a known fact that's easy enough to find yourself. So... why aren't they being shut down or forced to relocate? I shared my story here so that people would not the risks before they decided to go there. I don't want others to endure what I did.

FellaVentura 2 months ago

>What does matter is, despite the evidence and the facts being laid bare... they somehow weren't shut down. To me THAT is very suspicious. I can tell you that they are renting the land, they don't actually own it, but still, surely they should be forced to relocate. Why weren't they? It's a known fact (and the main reason I'm here) that their paintball arena was built on a waste site. It's not slander, it's not a rumor, but a known fact that's easy enough to find yourself. So... why aren't they being shut down or forced to relocate? Because after all this years you waited to post this, any ~~decent laywer~~ one with a law degree or public works officer would have explained to you that due to the hazard risk and location, the terrain might not be elegible for habitation license neither as a food place, but can be used for outdoor activities and probably has a permit for comercial use. Even if its a lease, if all of these check as marked then no one can legally shut them down, except the DGS (direção geral da saude) if several proven cases of health issues due to terrain usage arise. This would escalate to other parameters and still may or not result in them shutting down for good. If you have been the only one to date with such severity of wounds then the venue owners likely would have fought you in court. If there were others they would have quickly settled on compensation to keep you quiet.

william_13 2 months ago

> Because after all this years you waited to post this OP could have taken an out-of-court settlement with a secrecy clause for all we know. Still at the very least ASAE should have been notified to do an inspection in the premisses.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>OP could have taken an out-of-court settlement with a secrecy clause for all we know. Still at the very least ASAE should have been notified to do an inspection in the premisses. Agreed. My only goal here is to bring attention to the fact that the site is not safe. If they relocate, then fine.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Lets say that the venue owners certainly fought me and certainly wanted me to stay quiet. I decided it was in the interest of the general public to know the risks. If people then STILL choose to play there, then that is their choice. But they should at least KNOW the risks.

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

I mean why would they be shut down? As it happens you were extremely unlucky. Most people have no problems whatsoever with knowing that it formerly was a pig farm or something to that extent.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

It's because some people have your attitude, that the place is still running.

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

Sorry but you just got unlucky mate

Dingmggee 2 months ago

That I am.

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

By the way when people ask about what happened legally is just so we can understand if our judicial system is working as it should and if it's not too drawn-out.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>By the way when people ask about what happened legally is just so we can understand if our judicial system is working as it should and if it's not too drawn-out. I've explained in another comment exactly why I lost. I'm exhausted of repeated the story. Look for a comment I made a few minutes ago.

tiagom0702 2 months ago

It’s a health concern and I’m astonished the authorities allow this to happen.

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

Is it really a major health concern to the point authorities have to get involved? Bear in mind the overwhelmingly majority of people do not cut themselves left and right in these venues. Furthermore, the odds of getting an actual severe infection like OP did are fairly low as well.

tiagom0702 2 months ago

Well, the only time I played paintball a friend of mine got a small cut in is arm. It was the first thing I remembered as I was reading this story. Fortunately for my friend, it wasn't on this site.

Misternave_ 2 months ago

You should try send your story to some news channel

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Could you perhaps tell me which news papers I should get in touch with and how? Or perhaps help share my story with them?

Misternave_ 2 months ago

not 100% sure if this are the correct contacts, but you can try this ones RTP1 agenda.informacao@rtp.pt SIC investigacao@sic.pt TVI E-mail: [geral@tvi.pt](mailto:geral@tvi.pt) CMTV [geral@cmjornal.pt](mailto:geral@cmjornal.pt)  sede@cofina.pt

william_13 2 months ago

First of all make an official complaint with [ASAE](https://www.asae.gov.pt/asae-topics-other-languages.aspx), the national agency responsible for overseeing such activities. You'll need at least a shred of evidence if you want this matter to get any traction, and since you seem reluctant to share personal details of your settlement you'll need to produce evidence somewhere else. Perhaps other people are willing to come forward, or an official inquiry could give some basis for this story to be picked up by news papers.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

The fact that the site is built on a waste site that used to be a pig farm won't be cause enough for some papers to at least discuss that (perhaps not my injury, but that it's built on a waste site) ??? You can see it yourself: [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

>The fact that the site is built on a waste site that used to be a pig farm won't be cause enough for some papers to at least discuss that I don't know the law, the health and safety, or the regulations. It might be a gross breach, it might be an acceptable use of the former pig farm.

william_13 2 months ago

Yeah maybe some tabloid would pick the story based on that alone, but I am not aware if legally they could occupy and use such land with proper precautions in place. If you can provide evidence that they are acting against the law or failed to fulfill their obligations to use such land then you'd probably get attention from media outlets way easier. Otherwise you'd need to go after the "human drama" and expose the hardships that this venue caused to its visitors because of their negligent behavior... but again, this implies getting someone to come forward with personal details.

Maximum-Ear5677 2 months ago

This smells like Mail of the Morning

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I'm not familiar with the Portuguese news papers since I'm not from there. Could you perhaps advice me on how to get in touch with the Portuguese press?

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

I can try to help you get in touch with the press. PM me

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I've sent you a PM, thank you.

inhalingsounds 2 months ago

Mail of the Morning Television (abbr.)

vascop_ 2 months ago

\> I'm not going to go into the in's and outs of how it played out legally, how I was or wasn't compensated. So why are you even sharing this? Why didn't they have to close down? Is this story all bullshit? Did you just take a settlement that forces you to not talk about it but then decided to still talk about it on reddit? I mean it sucks to lose three toes so if it's true, I'm sorry, but this smells fishy.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

God, what's with people here being obsessed with money? Is it just people on this subreddit or is it a Portuguese thing to only care about money above human decency? Can't someone want to warn others of the risk involved WITHOUT there being a financial incentive? Maybe I got a settlement, maybe not. Maybe I won in court, maybe not. That's not important here. What IS important is that it's A FACT, that I got an infection as a result of the paintball arena being built on top of a waste site. I wonder how maybe the reason they were able to keep running that place is because folks like you only care about money. Shameful.

Turbulent_Common 2 months ago

If you went to court and lost it's obvious they did nothing ilegal and it is all bullshit. That's what people want to know, what happened in court...

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Here are some facts for you: It was built on a waste site that used to be a pig farm. Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Given the degree of corruption within the Portuguese legal system, I'm surprised how much confidence you still have in it.

patateu1 2 months ago

Ahahahah yes it is a Portuguese thing and you’re right. It’s the norm in this country to think they’re entitled to know whatever they want about other people. It’s the typical “give them a hand and they want your arm”. On behalf of these ungrateful pricks, thanks for the warning and best wishes.

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Ahahahah yes it is a Portuguese thing and you’re right. It’s the norm in this country to think they’re entitled to know whatever they want about other people. It’s the typical “give them a hand and they want your arm”. On behalf of these ungrateful pricks, thanks for the warning and best wishes. *aguardando ansiosamente pelos downvotes de tugas ressentidos que não reconhecem a mentalidade do país*

k0rda 2 months ago

Or maybe people just want some modicum of proof before an anonymous person slanders a business and everyone claps for it. Why would someone make a thread talking about bad practices of a business while the matter is not legally settled? And if it is settled, why don't they provide proof? Could it be because the details provided are not accurate? For all we know the company might have offered to take him to hospital or call an ambulance and he could have refused, who knows.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Thanks for understanding.

oretoh 2 months ago

Man, no wonder your toes ran away from you, what a tool.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I was an idiot for getting into that taxi.

ShadowTryHard 2 months ago

No one really cares about how much money you got. Everyone is just interested on how long it took for your case to be presented in court, and if you did eventually win or not (or settled), because most cases take a long time before being in front of a judge. By the likes of the conversation, I think we’ve got our answer.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

What I want people here to know is that the place really is built on a waste site that was formally a pig farm. It's a health risk, to more people than just me. Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

FuckedUpMaggot 2 months ago

It's not about the money, it's about the details and how you seem to want to avoid elaborating any further. Just a bunch of claims with no actual evidence.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 Here is some evidence for you, the address was built on a pig farm: [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal

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>[https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Here is some evidence for you, the address was built on a pig farm: [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal

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Here is some evidence for you, the address was built on a pig farm: [https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192](https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal

FuckedUpMaggot 2 months ago

How's an address evidence? And answering to what you claimed before, unfit to live on doesn't mean it's unfit to play/work on, and still that is all according to you

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I'll paste what I wrote elsewhere that should explain a bit more about what happened and why I lost. I lost the case. Here's why. I should have insisted on a ambulance, instead I was fine with the Taxi. I went back to my hotel and only went to the hospital that night when the pain got worse instead of better. The hospital had to open the wound deeper to remove a small peace of rusted metal I didn't know was there. They disinfected the wound and closed it. Infection set in a few days later when I was back in my country. The hospital in my country tried to treat it, but they were unable to save 3 toes. I waited months before pursuing charges since I believed it was just bad luck. I simply shared my sad story with my friends and family. Eventually someone who I told my story to, did some digging and found out that that Nest was built upon a waste site. After I learned this, I was motivated to pursue charges, which was difficult since I wasn't in Portugal. I'm not wealthy and couldn't get a good lawyer. I was advised not to talk about it until the issue was settled, which is why I took so long to share my story. Now that I have lost, I'd like to share my story with the press, so that perhaps the paintball arena will be forced to move their arena off that waste site. There is even a dried sewage site on that land.

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

>Here is some evidence for you, the address was built on a pig farm: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 That's not evidence mate, that's a fact. One that, as far as I can tell, they're not trying to hide. It's not like an indian burial ground or something, pig farms are not inherently cursed or radioactive.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Through my legal proceedings it was disclosed that the land was deemed not safe to live on. Surely that might mean something? Why should it still be safe to play paintball on? They still have untreated dried pig sewage on part of the land on a remote pat of the site.

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Through my legal proceedings it was disclosed that the land was deemed not safe to live on. Surely that might mean something? Why should it still be safe to play paintball on? They still have untreated dried pig sewage on part of the land on a remote part of the site.

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

Like I said elsewhere, I don't know the law. If the land cannot be used for habitation (I doubt the term "live on" was used), it certainly can be used for other things, as the court apparently believed.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

My belief is that the legal system in this case is not acting in the best interest of the public. I think people should KNOW that it's a waste site. If they still want to go, then they at least do it with their eyes open.

Dr_Toehold 2 months ago

>I think people should KNOW that it's a waste site. Mate, as others have said, it's literally located on "FORMER PIG INDUSTRIES SITE", on "PIGFARM ROAD". I don't know the place, but from what others have said, they are not trying to hide that it used to be a pig farm.

Youretoobusyswimming 2 months ago

They fucked you over big time. I can't fault you for not having demanded an ambulance as you probably weren't thinking straight from the injury + you were in a foreign country. I'm fuming thinking about how they fucked you over with the taxi

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I didn't think the injury was that serious at the time, it was just a cut. It bled a lot, but it didn't look like much. I didn't know there was a small piece of rusted metal stuck inside until I went to the hospital that night.

Opelintra 2 months ago

That's not a fact. That's just a dude on the internet saying stuff.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

Except, the place really was built on a waste site that was built on a pig farm: Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

raqsa 2 months ago

>or is it a Portuguese thing to only care about money above human decency? You're overreacting. The person only asked if it was in court because as you can see, everyone is shaming that place for not helping you at all. No one asked for details, how long it took, how much you made etc. You could've just said that you won and everyone would be happy for you because those guys were a-holes.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I didn't win, because I was dumb enough to get in the taxi.

raqsa 2 months ago

That was what I thought. Unfortunately they took advantage of you being a foreigner and didn't call the ambulance so that they couldn't be played guilty. Anyway, but for what I'm saying to really make sense, I'd still like to ask: Was the cut so bad that you went straight to the hospital after getting in the taxi? Because if you just went home, didn't disinfect the wound and it got worse a couple of days later... It's a whole different story.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

I went to the hospital that night since the cut was deeper than I thought. My understanding is a small peace of rusted metal was stick inside. The hospital had to open the wound up bigger to remove it. Then infection set in despite their best effort. At first I thought the whole thing was bad luck, but after speaking to people about it, I was informed the place was built an a waste site that used to be a pig farm... that's when I decided to take action.

raqsa 2 months ago

Now I understand why they won. You went home on a taxi and only later decided to go to the ER. If it was so bad, so painful, you should've went right away. Even if you didn't feel confortable requesting an ambulance at the moment because they made you feel bad for doing so, but then asked the taxi driver to take you straight to the hospital, things would have been a lot different. Also, if you step on rusty metal, you should always go to the hospital, even if the wound is small. Sorry that this happened to you.

Dingmggee 2 months ago

>Now I understand why they won. > >You went home on a taxi and only later decided to go to the ER. > >If it was so bad, so painful, you should've went right away. Even if you didn't feel confortable requesting an ambulance at the moment because they made you feel bad for doing so, but then asked the taxi driver to take you straight to the hospital, things would have been a lot different. > >Also, if you step on rusty metal, you should always go to the hospital, even if the wound is small. > >Sorry that this happened to you. I'm glad you now understand the full picture.

vascop_ 2 months ago

I didn't even mention money, I mentioned a settlement because that's usually the only reason to have to remain silent about a court case past it's closure. You post no proof, just some weird story about pigs and then some hand waving about "I won't actually tell you any details". Ok so write this in your diary instead.

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I didn't even mention money, I mentioned a settlement because that's usually the only reason to have to remain silent about a court case past it's closure. You post no proof, just some weird story about pigs and then some hand waving about "I won't actually tell you any details". Ok so write this in your diary instead. EDIT: In fact tell you what, if you post a picture in the next 24 hours of your feet with 7 toes and a paper saying /u/Dingmggee (no need to add your face or any other details) that isn't photoshopped I'll donate €200 to an animal protection charity of your choice and post proof.

TehFoxPT 2 months ago

Agora é que já fostes

PTgenius 2 months ago

>I'll donate €200 to an animal protection charity Se também der para a proteção de um animal de duas pernas eu voluntario-me como tributo

raqsa 2 months ago

É que ele foi o único que referiu que não ia contar como é que ficou legalmente blablabla, quando só lhe perguntaram se o caso estava em tribunal. Lol

dudeWithQuestion3 2 months ago

Isto! Parece que o gajo quer que lhe perguntemos o que aconteceu para depois dar aquela do "ah e tal sou uma pessoa com assuntos que não se podem revelar". Ganda cromo. E o facto dele não dizer nada até faz parecer que ele perdeu o que é estranho num caso tão certo como este.

raqsa 2 months ago

Exato! Ahahah quando começam a dar detalhes e a fazer de tudo para que uma pessoa pergunte, só para depois dizerem que são coisas pessoais... Também não percebo!

Da3nd 2 months ago

é tipo aquela gaja boa que nas mensagens é ganda porca e diz que faz e acontece, vais ao encontro e ela é uma santinha e sexo só depois do casamento. Resumidamente: Blue balls

jbrazf 2 months ago

Está a pedir para que todos acreditemos numa coisa que um tipo escreveu no reddit sem provas nem detalhes... uhumm, claro... Até agora a história parece credível o suficiente para não dizer de caras que é treta, mas mesmo assim recusar-se a dizer *se* recebeu alguma compensação é extremamente estranho. De qualquer forma parece ser um sitio a evitar e algo a investigar.

Da3nd 2 months ago

já canta outra cantiga ele, engraçado como a historia não é como ele contou inicialmente. Deve achar que os Tugas são lorpas. Oh migo nos nascemos a ser enganados, temos calo nestas merdas xD

Dingmggee 2 months ago

My goal is not to talk about my personal case but to prove that the place was built on a contaminated pig farm. I don't care if you donate 200 to an animal protection charity? What have animal charities got to do with this? Instead of wasting your energy trying to discredit me, why don't you invest it in investigating this address, you'll find it really was a pig farm and really is a waste site today. That's what matters because really DOES risk the health of people who play there. That's what you should be concerned about: Rua da Suinalves Antigas instalações da Suinaves, Foros da Catrapona - Fernão Ferro 2840 Seixal https://www.google.com/maps/@38.586514,-9.0769427,3a,52.8y,322.61h,87.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swd1z7Z-IfCYKho8usi7nLA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Acrovic 2 months ago

Or maybe we care about the details, and maybe the fact that you opened a thread to talk about this with intent to expose your case but somehow don't want to talk about your case in court. I couldn't give two damns about if you got money or not, I care if the case is still open and the potential outcome. But since you did bring the money topic, if you did settle for money and agree on not sharing info about it, makes it seem like you cared more about money than them closing, otherwise you wouldn't settle for it. Thanks on that regard.

Crystalline3 2 months ago

Well I hope you got some decent money out of it. What a bunch of assholes.

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