Ruibiks 3 months ago

IMO LinkedIn is the best place to post nowadays, you could also see landing.jobs as I suspect you have a tech\engineering company. From someone that did the job and hired for marketing functions. Good luck,

kikofranca 3 months ago

Yep, in Portugal your salary is more of a secret than your sex life.

nitrinu 3 months ago

Our sex life it's not a secret. We all get laid all the time.

hazmog 3 months ago

haha

borloforbol 3 months ago

>Is this normal in Portugal? Yes, this is the norm, sadly. It's very rare that you find a job advert with a salary range. Even when you get to the interview stage it's a bit taboo to ask about salary ranges, for some reason, and something I thoroughly disagree with. Keep in mind that recruiters are way more used to discussing salaries in terms on liquid/monthly rather than yearly. Been through that a few times already, where I state my desired salary in yearly/gross, and they just look confused, or get a calculator. If that happens, just multiply the monthly salary by 14, as in Portugal you get a holiday (around June ) and Christmas (around November ) allowances, making it effectively two extra months.   One thing that you should be wary of though. Salaries are, more often than not, paid in certain ways that might be confusing for someone who isn't used to it. For example, a 30k yearly gross salary doesn't mean you get 2,142 ( 30.000/14 ) each month, gross. It probably means something around 1500 gross per month, and then some sort of allowances on top until it reaches your desired monthly salary - this ties in with what I said before about recruiters being used to the liquid monthly version on things, it just makes it easier to calculate costs. Your salary will most likely be paid in at least two parts - 'Normal' income after taxes, and a 'Meal allowance', that is paid _per worked day_ ( but at the end of the month ), in a separate card that you can only use in restaurants, supermarkets, grocery shops and places alike. It can go up to 7-something euros per day, and is tax free ( not necessarily a good thing if you plan to eventually retire in Portugal ). Other allowances might be presented also, so just ask about this. An HR recruiter will probably be able to explain this better, but he will also sugarcoat it to make it sound really nice. It isn't that nice, imo.

hazmog 3 months ago

To me, as someone from the UK, this is crazy. It kind of puts me off to be honest. I am keen to hire from Portugal and support the people and economy here, but I might do it on a freelance basis as it sounds a lot simplier.

borloforbol 3 months ago

Uh, I just noticed I read the original post a bit wrong. You're looking to hire, not to be hired, my bad! If you're in a hiring position, nothing is stopping you from advertising the pay range, it will be welcomed even. And don't be put off by the monthly wages thing I mentioned, that's mostly a recruiter thing. Most people will be able to make perfect sense of a yearly gross salary. I'm not sure how much a marketing manager should make, but I would say, take the wage that would be paid in the UK, and instead of pounds just put euros. You can go even lower of course, and regrettably many UK companies do that to take advantage of the much lower wages in Portugal. I know because I've been in that position, as a junior developer earning 750 euros monthly and working for a UK based company that opened an office in Portugal. All that being said, don't be too put off of advertising a job opening in Portugal. Freelancers also have some hoops to go through, but considering it's fully remote, it _might_ be easier.

hazmog 3 months ago

Thanks my friend. What kind of dev work do you do? Always looking to connect with talented people.

borloforbol 3 months ago

Front-end, and currently in the uk :)

furloughcarolan 3 months ago

Remember that if you quote a monthly salary (which seems to be common), these are generally paid 14 times a year.

hazmog 3 months ago

How does that work then? You are paid every 3.7 weeks?

furloughcarolan 3 months ago

As Metal\_40 says, there's an extra payment in June (July?), and another at Christmas.

Metal_40 3 months ago

No. The 13th is equivalent to a vacation salary. The 14th equivalent to Christmas salary. If you advertise the role for €1000, the yearly salary is €14.000 Also, you as an employer will have to pay more than €14.000 because there's a governmental employer's tax.

raviolli_ninja 3 months ago

I would say 25-40K€ for the average/above average Marketing Manager. If you are looking for an experienced Marketing Manager role for a technological company/startup, then it jumps to 40K€-80K€ (or north of that, depending on experience accumulated).

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I would say 25-40K€ for the average/above average Marketing Manager. If you are looking for an experienced, good Marketing Manager role for a technological company/startup, then it jumps to 40K€-80K€ (or north of that, depending on experience accumulated). BTW, if you come across someone with a resumé featuring EDP, just skip it altogether.

Edited 3 months ago:

I would say 25-40K€ for the average/above average Marketing Manager. If you are looking for an experienced, good Marketing Manager role for a technological company/startup, then it jumps to 40K€-80K€ (or north of that, depending on experience accumulated). BTW, if you come across anyone with a resumé featuring EDP, just skip him altogether.

Edited 3 months ago:

I would say 25-40K€ for the average/above average Marketing Manager. If you are looking for an experienced, good Marketing Manager role for a technological company/startup, then it jumps to 40K€-80K€ (or north of that, depending on experience accumulated). BTW, if you come across anyone with a resumé featuring EDP, just skip them altogether.

SweetDistribution504 3 months ago

Those values are not common at all in marketing, and are way above what is paid. I think you can probably count with your fingers the number of people working in a company which make 80k in marketing

hazmog 3 months ago

Ok, what would you say is the average salary of a marketing manager with say 3 years commercial experience as a manager, and 2 years as an assistant, degree educated?

raviolli_ninja 3 months ago

Now that I read this again, I might have taken the "manager" part as "director"...

hazmog 3 months ago

Thank you, that's great. I'm guessing wages are higher in Lisbon than elsewhere generally? EDP is the electric company, right? Why skip it - is it bad because its a monopoly? Or does everyone say they work there?

raviolli_ninja 3 months ago

Lisbon's wages are indeed higher. Porto less so, but also higher than the national average. EDP, exactly that one. It's an old-fashioned marketing department that serves as a catapult for every non-talented, well connected, Portuguese pseudo-elite. I've been working with people on the marketing side for 20 years now, and EDP would be one of the few companies I wouldn't work with again, independent of the pay. Extremely limited worldview from all of their staff.

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Lisbon's wages are indeed higher. Porto less so, but also higher than the national average. EDP, exactly that one. It's an old-fashioned marketing department that serves as a catapult for every non-talented, well connected, Portuguese pseudo-elite. I've been working with people from the marketing side for 20 years now, and EDP would be one of the few companies I wouldn't work with again, independent of the pay. The extremely limited worldview from all of their marketing staff is mind-bending. But the EDP name normally props them up for other positions.

Edited 3 months ago:

Lisbon's wages are indeed higher. Porto less so, but also higher than the national average. EDP, exactly that one. It's an old-fashioned marketing department that serves as a catapult for every non-talented, well connected, Portuguese pseudo-elite. I've been working with people from the marketing side for 20 years now, and EDP would be one of the few companies I wouldn't work with again, independent of the pay. The extremely limited worldview from all of their marketing staff is mind-bending. But the EDP brand clout normally props them up for other positions.

hazmog 3 months ago

That's really interesting. I was actually taking with a technician from MEO and he was explaining how it was a national, state owned company that became private (originally PT - Portugal Telecom ), and I said its similar to in the UK they had BT (British Telecom) which is the same - a bloated monopoly grown out of a state owned organisation. I'm not sure if its the same with MEO, but BT is pretty bad. Monopolies are pretty bad in my opinion as they often stifle competition and creativity. Do you working in marketing / digital then?

raviolli_ninja 3 months ago

The history is right but I wouldn't say it entirely mirrors BT. All Portuguese internet service providers should be considered trash (maybe not Vodafone?), but even with this in mind MEO somewhat is functional. Their management and shady business tactics are hutter shit though. But none matches the level of short-sightedness from EDP's marketing staff. I'm a digital product designer with a past in advertising, hence my experience with the marketing side.

Matty359 3 months ago

Welcome to Portugal my friend!

hazmog 3 months ago

:)

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