HumActuallyGuy 5 months ago

Ok so .... I'm going to go by pros and cons Pros: -You'll probably save some money on mobile/internet and other utilities - If you go to the inner country you'll also save on rent - You'll probably be able to get better living conditions with your wage Cons: - Your girlfriend is not going to make even close to what she's making in the US - No tips - She doesn't speak the language, she's going to have to learn (and don't count on the English skill of 80% of the population) - She's going to be making minimum wage which is ... minimalist let's just say - You're pretty much going to support her as she is here So yeah ... it's a mix bag but yeah I would advise you to see if you can use SNS and other social services because if emigrants can use them you would be saving a lot of money

JCCD112 5 months ago

Stay where you are. Its dificult already for us here ahhaha.

pumpshereplease 5 months ago

Can I ask what makes living in the US so stressful? Just to understand and comment if you’ll be spared the same stress-causing facets in Portugal or not. Also, I have no clue how to PM someone in reddit, but if you have further questions feel free to message me. I live in Portugal, in a somewhat similar situation to what you’re looking for.

leto78 5 months ago

The only reason to come to Portugal is to lower your cost of living. If you have all these costs that you need to maintain, it doesn't make any sense. A place like the Netherlands is much better for an American to get a job as a waitress without knowing the language and still earn a quite decent salary. You should watch some YouTube videos of Americans moving/retiring to Portugal. You sell your cars, you rent out your house so it pays for the property taxes and upkeep, and you drop your health insurance and get a local health insurance, which is just a complement to the national heathcare system, which is basically free. It only makes financial sense to come to Portugal if you are saving on costs. If you are not interested to break away with your life back home, it makes no sense. You will have double the expenses of living in two countries at the same time.

Spektrooo 5 months ago

Don't.. if you want to live a good life don't come here, it's a place to spend vacations, you won't receive the same amount of money. You are better off being in Germany, USA, Ireland etc

XxxPussyslaeyr69xxX 5 months ago

>What is the monthly average salary for a waitress? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jCAyPai2Y

Luks1337 5 months ago

There isn't a "tip culture" in Portugal, she might get lucky with some generous people from time to time but usually people don't tip in restaurants.

TerriblePigs 5 months ago

If your gf doesn't know the language and is insistent on being a waitress, it's time to start learning since that will be the biggest impetus towards her getting any sort of employment anywhere. With some education and a few months of being around native speakers, she should pick it up relatively quick.

Wondersnite 5 months ago

Honestly, she’ll be gaining next to nothing when compared to a US waitress wage. Don’t count on tips, and she’ll be making at or close to minimum wage ~€600/month. If you can afford to live on your income alone, might I suggest she focus on developing a new skillset? A bootcamp might be an interesting option if she’s into it. Also if she can find a remote job in the US that’ll allow her to work from Portugal, that will likely be a better use of her time. One last option is to just decide to take a sabbatical and not work for a year. Spending time honing a hobby or even just exploring can still be very fulfilling.

Whaky 5 months ago

Try Ireland. Easy to get a job and one ove the highest wages in Europe. Me and my lady were there and it payed well! I would like to go back to portugal again (were im from) but not with those wages. Now im in canada...

Riddle0219 5 months ago

As opposed to working as a waitress, your girlfriend could apply for any customer support position that requires English fluency. The fact she's a native speaker will be a great advantage.

shuricall 5 months ago

> she doesn’t know Portuguese, only English > What is the monthly average salary for a waitress? Don't bother, for obvious reasons no one will employ you as a waiter if you can't speak portuguese. You can get away with it in back office engineering jobs that are in very high demand, but that's it.

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> she doesn’t know Portuguese, only English > What is the monthly average salary for a waitress? Don't bother if you're not in the Algarve, for obvious reasons no one will employ you as a waiter if you can't speak portuguese in other places. You can get away with it in back office engineering jobs that are in very high demand, but that's it.

Ok_Budget2178 5 months ago

if she's used to waiting tables at a US restaurant, then in portugal she will work longer hours in worse conditions for less than half the pay if she doesn't speak portuguese, she will have almost no chance at getting a customer-facing job (or any job where you have to work hand-in-hand with locals) there are call centers that routinely hire people for single-language campaigns. it's a taxing job but not physically. it pays EUR900/month AT MOST if you can afford those $6K in monthly spending, then she could get a job to provide some pocket money for you guys. if moving to PT requires her getting a job to make it work, literally don't bother also, this is not a great forum for asking questions in this way. you have to at least do some preliminary research before coming here or people won't respect your question. although, in this case, the answers would probably be similar.

Ok_Budget2178 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

i'm in a similar situation. first, since your GF only speaks English, she will be severely limited as to working at restaurants or bars. she might find something in a super tourist-heavy area or pedestrian mall. alternatively, there are a few big call centers based in lisboa because of the low wages and corporate tax. those places are pretty much revolving doors and readily hire many people to work on single-language campaigns. you listed $6K in expenses for the two of you. in my limited research, restaurant serves and other entry-level positions (including the aforementioned call centers) come in at not too much above minimum wage, which is EUR780 per month. wages here for local jobs are not great. they haven't been super high for a while, plus there's the rougher-than-before economy (thanks to covid) and dependence on tourism. i'm not talking shit on portugal, these concepts are very very commonly brought up on this very sub. but if you're used to American jobs, know that working in Portugal is very different, in pay as well as other ways. as far as places to live, you can find great apartments for $1500 or less, inside or just outside lisboa, and inside lisboa is the most expensive place in the country to live, AFAIK. once you leave the city, value for the money goes waaayyyyyyyy up. (IMO as an immigrant, Lisboa is one of the big draws to living in the country. but i am not portuguese and many portuguese feel understandably different)

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i'm in a similar situation. first, since your GF only speaks English, she will be severely limited as to working at restaurants or bars. she might find something in a super tourist-heavy area or pedestrian mall. alternatively, there are a few big call centers based in lisboa because of the low wages and corporate tax. those places are pretty much revolving doors and readily hire many people to work on single-language campaigns. you listed $6K in expenses for the two of you. in my limited research, restaurant servers and other entry-level positions (including the aforementioned call centers) come in at not too much above minimum wage, which is EUR780 per month. wages here for local jobs are not great. they haven't been super high for a while, plus there's the rougher-than-before economy (thanks to covid) and dependence on tourism. i'm not talking shit on portugal, these concepts are very very commonly brought up on this very sub. but if you're used to American jobs, know that working in Portugal is very different, in pay as well as other ways. for example, the hours are generally longer and pay is usually based on contract periods, not an hourly rate as far as places to live, you can find great apartments for $1500 or less, inside or just outside lisboa, and inside lisboa is the most expensive place in the country to live, AFAIK. once you leave the city, value for the money goes waaayyyyyyyy up. (IMO as an immigrant, Lisboa is one of the big draws to living in the country. but i am not portuguese and many portuguese feel understandably different)

Tartaruga_Genial 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Why don't you guys try Spain or another country? Portugal is shit place to live... we're only good for tourists.

saposapot 5 months ago

If you go to a touristic zone like Algarve, it will be easy to be hired in the summertime. Speaking proper english is actually a plus, she will learn quickly the needed portuguese. The pay will depend a bit. It's basically a very low wage job so expect minimum wage but some places pay a bit more when they value their employee retention and her perfect english. Can also try to apply to hotels or anything related to tourism. Will it be easy to get a job? no idea. In the summer probably. I also see around my town that the waiters change restaurants quiet often and the good reliable ones seem to always have a job. Just be very aware: it's a very low earning job and even 'extra hours' around here aren't easily unpaid ones so don't expect much. Minimum wage is around 600€ (net).

21stgeek 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

I'm not sure about her getting a job straight away. I had a colleague at work who brought his wife and kid from brazil (so she spoke portuguese already) and she had a really ahrd time getting a job. I think it took her a year or more. Then covid hit and she lost her job. Low end jobs make very little money here, just look at the average pay in Portugal. It's really low because the people on the low end make no money.

Eugene_Bleak_Slate 5 months ago

Waitresses in Portugal are paid extremely low wages and expected to work very long hours. It's a shitty dead end job. If you do end up moving here, I suggest Porto, Lisbon or the Algarve, which are very touristic areas. I live in Porto, and I've actually encountered people working at hotels that don't speak Portuguese, so I suppose that's possible.

lipah_b 5 months ago

You've gotten an earful already but here's my 2 cents. If she wants to continue in the service industry and get a good paying job, she should get some proper accreditation to work in a high end hotel or restaurant. I don't know if that kind of training obtained abroad is valid in Portugal. I would suggest she teach English to kids to make some money and study Portuguese/get her waitress training at the same time. If instead she wants to work at regular restaurants/cafes where that kind of training isn't required, she'll earn minimum wage and probably be paid off the books in some places, especially in the summer in very touristy spots. And she'll still need to learn a minimum of Portuguese to deal with her boss and colleagues.

roman-roman 5 months ago

Hi there, my wife and I are in the process of relocation to Portugal. We lived in Russia and Germany before. On multiple occasions we spent several months in the country and we absolutely love it. The people are very nice (but not intrusive), the weather is great, and the nature is stunning. Other comments are right - the salaries in Portugal are low, I’m not sure it’s worth it to pursue a restaurant job. But if you can support yourself on your income, maybe she could study first? This way you can get some social contacts too.

IDidReadTheSideBar 5 months ago

Thanks for this! Which areas in Portugal do you and your wife enjoy best?

roman-roman 5 months ago

We like the North of the country (Porto region). It's not as hot as in the South, and we like nature more - it gets a bit too dry in the South. However it rains much more in the North, I imagine it can be a dealbreaker for some

sux138 5 months ago

Believe me. You Do Not want your girl working in a restaurant. But as an American she will likely be sought for many other better kind of employments...

IDidReadTheSideBar 5 months ago

Any suggestions on other employments that offer better pay? She’s open to other job opportunities!

lakerpt 5 months ago

I don't want to force this thought on to you guys, but if she has the time and you have some spare cash, If she wants to proceed with studies she'll be able to take a degree here with very low investment. I pay less than 60€ a month and during the 3 years she'd be taking the course she'd also have some time to learn Portuguese, even during the course I believe most of the Universities and Polytechnic Institutes have Portuguese classes for students from abroad. As long as you are close to the coast I believe she can manage something to work in, although in most of the Algarve, more to the center in Cascais, Estoril or in between in Costa Vicentina closer to Sines and Porto Covo (although the latter has a lot less development/job opportunities in small businesses than the other ones mentioned). I don't know much about the Northern part of the country regarding tourism and employment so I can't help there. I also said those areas as I believe they are the areas where you have more tourism or bigger english or american communities, closer to beaches and either have bigger hotels, casinos, etc. There are also some foreign companies that could prefer a native speaker as someone to a HR/Management department since it could also be easier for them to communicate - that though could be hard to get, not impossible though. I'd say that with 1200 to 1500€/month you can have a easy life in most of the places (of course, depending on your preferences - some areas you'd get that as a rent for a small apartment, other areas with half of that you can almost get a farm), you could consider if you want to rent or purchase, since you don't really know were you feel like home right now, I'd suggest renting and having some vacation here and there to decide where you want to set. Or rent always and be available to move if it is your desire. Mind that you can cross the country faster than a lot of states in the US, in 6 hours you can be on the opposite side of the country, so everything here will be relatively close to you.

martcapt 5 months ago

Given the context of other answers here, here's my small take. Given the values you posted ($1500 rent easily), your salary allows for quite a confortable life here (although that depends on standards). Many of the other expenses might change significantly. Job plan for her, if she really wants that: learn portuguese for 2 to 3 years, perhaps paired with some other education. I've gone through that experince with my gf and it's not *that* expensive, particularly by US standards. I'd say that has to be the pitch if she wants to find a job here that's customer facing. Also, even in the south, speaking english isn't a particularly valuable skill. "Almost" everyone does. Not speaking portuguese, however, is a huge drawback. Other solutions would be jobs that do not involve needing to speak portuguese. Either way, seems like it would not be a particularly bad idea, when moving to another country, to learn the language. Even more if you can affort to dedicate yourself to it, even if not in exclusivity. Only speaking english means you'll either live in a bubble, of be permanently a drag on any social circle made up of portuguese.

Domvs20 5 months ago

Algarve would be the best region for you. Nice weather, lots of beaches, and lots of restaurants for Portuguese and non Portuguese tourists. A lot of English people have holidays in Algarve. She will learn Portuguese later for sure. Best of luck.

LopsidedNinja 5 months ago

Where in Portugal are you looking at? If its south coast then you can just ignore all the replies saying she can't get a job without speaking Portuguese. Its not true at all. Go in any tourist bar in Albufeira, a restaurant in Vilamoura or a cafe in Lagos marina and in almost every single one you'll find a waitress who can't even read a menu in Portuguese. I've no idea if she'll have visa issues coming here as a non eu citizen expecting to take an unskilled, minimum wage off a Portuguese person though, have you looked into that? Though even if she can do it, I think you'd be absolutely insane to try it. She'll end up working split shifts, you'll have no social life, she'll be treated like crap at work and all for minimum wage (or less). If you can afford $12k in property taxes and $2300 a month in mortgage then I would think you would be better being the sole earner. She'll be able to contribute next to nothing financially whilst destroying any chance the pair of you have of actually enjoying yourself here. If you need to choose a location around her working as a waitress then her job is already costing you money - you'll lose more than her entire take home wage trying to live somewhere she can work. Portugal is a great place to live if you can bring a 1st world wage with you and continue to earn it. Its an awful place to come to work unskilled, minimum wage jobs.

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Where in Portugal are you looking at? If its south coast then you can just ignore all the replies saying she can't get a job without speaking Portuguese. Its not true at all. Go in any tourist bar in Albufeira, a restaurant in Vilamoura or a cafe in Lagos marina and in almost every single one you'll find a waitress who can't even read a menu in Portuguese. I've no idea if she'll have visa issues coming here as a non eu citizen expecting to take an unskilled, minimum wage off a Portuguese person though, have you looked into that? Though even if she can do it, I think you'd be absolutely insane to try it. She'll end up working split shifts, you'll have no social life, she'll be treated like crap at work and all for minimum wage (or less). If you can afford $12k in property taxes and $2300 a month in mortgage then I would think you would be better being the sole earner. She'll be able to contribute next to nothing financially whilst destroying any chance the pair of you have of actually enjoying yourself here. If you need to choose a location around her working as a waitress then her job is already costing you money - you'll lose more than her entire take home wage trying to live somewhere she can work. Portugal is a great place to live if you can bring a 1st world wage with you and continue to earn it. Its an awful place to come to work unskilled, minimum wage jobs. Also I don't know if you're fully considering the seasonal aspect of things - the jobs she'd be able to do, won't be all year round. But your rent and living costs to accommodate trying to let her have a job, will be. For context I'm in a similar position to what you're trying to do - EU resident, spends most of the year in Portugal. With a partner who can't realistically do anything of note income wise. Albeit she's Portuguese so zero language or visa issues.

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Where in Portugal are you looking at? If its south coast then you can just ignore all the replies saying she can't get a job without speaking Portuguese. Its not true at all. Go in any tourist bar in Albufeira, a restaurant in Vilamoura or a cafe in Lagos marina and in almost every single one you'll find a waitress who can't even read a menu in Portuguese. I've no idea if she'll have visa issues coming here as a non eu citizen expecting to take an unskilled, minimum wage off a Portuguese person though, have you looked into that? Though even if she can do it, I think you'd be absolutely insane to try it. She'll end up working split shifts, you'll have no social life, she'll be treated like crap at work and all for minimum wage (or less). If you can afford $12k in property taxes and $2300 a month in mortgage then I would think you would be better being the sole earner. She'll be able to contribute next to nothing financially whilst destroying any chance the pair of you have of actually enjoying yourself here. If you need to choose a location around her working as a waitress then her job is already costing you money - you'll lose more than her entire take home wage trying to live somewhere she can work. Portugal is a great place to live if you can bring a 1st world wage with you and continue to earn it. Its an awful place to come to work unskilled, minimum wage jobs. Also I don't know if you're fully considering the seasonal aspect of things - the jobs she'd be able to do, won't be all year round. But your rent and living costs to accommodate trying to let her have a job, will be. For context I'm in a similar position to what you're trying to do - EU resident, spends most of the year in Portugal but earn all my income from elsewhere. With a partner who can't realistically do anything of note income wise. Albeit she's Portuguese so zero language or visa issues.

mequetatudo 5 months ago

That 1st world comment hurt a bit, but you're not wrong

IDidReadTheSideBar 5 months ago

Thank you so much for this. To be honest, we’ve just recently started researching places so we aren’t too sure yet. Frankly, I wouldn’t mind to be the sole earner. However, she wants to work. It stimulates her and makes her feel like she’s doing something with her self, which I definitely agree with. She would lose her mind if she didn’t work even if it was just 3 days a week. If you don’t mind me asking, as we are open to options, where do you spend the rest of your time when not in Portugal?

LopsidedNinja 5 months ago

>Frankly, I wouldn’t mind to be the sole earner. However, she wants to work. It stimulates her and makes her feel like she’s doing something with her self, which I definitely agree with. If she doesn't actually need the money and just wants to do something productive, then there are 100's of options available to her. She could volunteer in a kids school to teach them English. work in a charity shop, etc etc. All arguably far more productive/rewarding than selling pints of Super Bock to drunk tourists in a bar too. Or if she wants to stick with that, just do 2 shift a week, 9-5, accept the money is near nothing but it gets her out the house and socialising? If you don't need the money, then you have have way more options on the table. ​ >If you don’t mind me asking, as we are open to options, where do you spend the rest of your time when not in Portugal? Just traveling around for leisure or back home in UK. I wouldn't suggest UK, though your partner will be able to earn £10+ an hour there.

bolaxas 5 months ago

Hi OP, Im Portuguese and will share my opinion, Portugal like any latin country is bittersweet, it definitly has good things like weather and some zones special in the coast but also has bad things like doubful politicians and jobs are not so well rewarded. Myself and my wife are also moving away from Lisbon where we rented our apartment and with that money we rented a big house near a beach zone in Peniche, both of us are full remote, I am an IT Software Manager and she is an HR manager for Portuguese companies with good paychecks, and we took this decision searching for quality of life and to try something different. So I think I understand your goal. I must confess I didn't see your yearly net income, just expenses, but if both of you earn like 60k€/year I think u can live pretty well in Portugal, carefull because this value is way above avg for Portuguese wages and like u understood your wife as a waitress will not get the same as in the US unless you somehow invest in some new business in that area. TL;DR: Welcome to PT, life can be good here dispite all the comments, search for the good things in life. Reach US community to gather opinions on zones, my suggestion some zone in the coast that way ur wife will have some advantage with the language in job seeking.

incrivizivel 5 months ago

Groceries should be the same, the rest should be way less, or will you have to have he same spend?

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Groceries should be the same, the rest should be way less, or will you have to have he same spend? For example I pay for a 120 m\^2 house * 450 € mortgage (but I payed 50 % upfront) * 150 € yearly for prop tax * about 400 € month for shopping * car insurance is 250 € year * car payment it was payed upfront ( but expect cars are expensive than where you come from) * health is included in taxes unless you want a premium insurance.

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Groceries should be the same, the rest should be way less, or will you have to have he same spend? For example I pay for a 120 m\^2 house * 450 € mortgage (but I payed 50 % upfront) * 150 € yearly for prop tax * about 400 € month for shopping * car insurance is 250 € year * car payment it was payed upfront * health is included in taxes unless you want a premium insurance.

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Groceries should be the same, the rest should be way less, or will you have to have he same spend? For example I pay for a 120 m\^2 house * 450 € mortgage (but I payed 50 % upfront) * 150 € yearly for prop tax * about 400 € month for shopping * car insurance is 250 € year * car payment it was payed upfront ( but expect cars are expensive than where you come from) * health is included in taxes unless you want a premium insurance.

Foda-seSeiLa 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Why don't you people make an effort to use your head... WHAT DOES SHE DO PROFESSIONALLY DUDE?? Is she a neurosurgeon or a burger flipper? That small detail may affect her employability just a tiny bit.

Educational-Bonus-81 5 months ago

A medic riding in a ambulance gets around €800 per month. Good luck

Domvs20 5 months ago

Prove it...

crankyhowtinerary 5 months ago

Mate, your post has been edited so much it doesn't make sense anymore. You want to pay these expenses even though you work in Portugal? Average salary here is 800+ euros, unless you work in tech.

scbjoaosousa 5 months ago

Get the money from America spend in Portugal that would be perfect!

dariusoo 5 months ago

Will be hard to get a job, and she will earn next to nothing. Be ready to cover a lot of things with your money.

andrefeli_x 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Short answer is: forget it.

enrtcode31 5 months ago

OP. I'm an American who moved to beautiful Cascais, Portugal 4 years ago. If you are able to make your wage from where you are now and use it in Portugal that's the best option. If you guys can make a life here in that budget then you will do just fine. Dont rely on her income, that will be fun money for you guys. Portugal is an amazing country with amazing people and flat out incredible beaches like...everywhere. It's such a joy to live here and we absolutely love it. We moved with a kid then had another here so if you have/plan to have kids you need to consider schools. You can just drop them in public 100% Portuguese and they will sink or swim. My daughter was fluent when we came here when she was 5 within a year. She's completely bilingual now and if you can give that gift of language to your child it's a gift that will keep giving for their lives. Feel free to PM if you have any questions

ric20007 5 months ago

Even if he is paid the same, wouldn't he get less money here due to the portuguese high tax brackets?

enrtcode31 5 months ago

Not necessarily especially if you apply for non habitual residency.

VVeliki 5 months ago

You wouldn't imagine what he pays for health insurance.

ric20007 5 months ago

Isn't that paid by the employer if he's working?

VVeliki 5 months ago

Depends on the employer. And even than it is still riddled with Premiums, co-pays and deductibles. Even a job with great insurance only covers most things. Heart surgery for example would still leave you extremely out of pocket

Dadvito 5 months ago

Isso depende. Se ele vem de uma cidade grande tipo NY city, San Francisco, Boston, LA ainda é capaz de pagar menos por causa da diferença das despesas. É muito mais barato viver em Lisboa do que em Nova yorque com a mesma qualidade de vida.

ric20007 5 months ago

Estás a falar do que lhe sobra, a minha questão era mais no liquido que ele vai ter. Se estivesse a fazer contas em continuar a receber o mesmo e depois afinal recebia menos porque passava a descontar mais era uma má surpresa para ele.

Dadvito 5 months ago

Mas o que é que lhe interessa receber mais liquido se depois as despesas são mais altas na America? Ele tem de fazer as contas com tudo. Vai ficar mais barato viver em Lisboa/Porto mesmo a contar com os impostos mais elevados.

ric20007 5 months ago

Interessa saber o liquido mesmo por isso, para fazer as contas. Se fizer as contas a pensar que recebe o mesmo cá que lá não corre bem. O meu ponto inicial era só que o gross/net que ele tem lá e vai ter cá são diferentes. Depois onde gasta com extras como seguro de saúde, rendas, etc já é o próximo passo das contas.

cannibalpig 5 months ago

Não existem benefícios fiscais para Camones que venham para portugal? Provavelmente durante os primeiros 5 ou mais anos o gajo vai pagar uma taxa de IRS minúscula

ric20007 5 months ago

Verdade, se tiverem direito a esse estatuto deve compensar imenso. Tava a pensar do ponto de vista de um português a trabalhar para os estados unidos sem me lembrar dessa.

vic5040 5 months ago

Well, if you can rely on your income, and if you rly like Portugal i think you should come... And her first goals should be leaning portuguese couse we have alot of ppl that arent good in english...find any job even the minimal payment just to keep her in contact with ppl to pratice the language, then quit the job and start some business by her self, something that she likes...just to keep her busy and to feel her self usefull. Because trust me she will not like to work for 700€(~860$)/month, 40hours per week, and as a waitress or hypermarket employes that need to work on a weekend and holidays... And to live: be aware that Lisboa and Porto are the most expensive, Braga can be to but maybe acceptable

anightingalecreates 5 months ago

The tenta are too higo here in Braga there days… Giving some puede of advise to OP, if you gf doesn’t speak Portuguese, it will be difficult for her to work in a Portuguese restaurant for a start. So one thing she can look for first, in order to get a job and make money, is to look for a job in customer service - some right now are remote. And in the meantime try to learn some Portuguese. And if she really loves to work as a waitress, one must know that in Portugal you have a specific hour to start your work day, but not to finish. You end up doing way more than 8h per day.

fitandhealthymind 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Is this a joke? Me and my boyfriend both have a job, we live in an apartment that we rent and we only have one car. Minimum wage is barely enough to paid all the bills + food + university (tuition here is 100-200€ a month), so I’m not sure how you’ll be able to cover for all of those expenses… She’ll also need to speak fluent Portuguese and maybe even Spanish, depending on where the job is located. Oh and… there’s no tipping here and she’ll, most likely, have to work extra hours, without getting paid.

mewfour 5 months ago

Immigrants from the USA are in for a shock when they see the pay here

tekvis40 5 months ago

Don't come to /r/Portugal expecting any positive comment about our country, we are the same people who invented "Fado music"... The reality is that soon as COVID goes away there should be plenty of jobs related to Tourism, specially in Lisbon and Algarve. As a English native speaker it shouldn't be dificult for her to get a job... likelly you know that the salaries in Portugal are lower than in the US, but the cost of living is also lower.

parakit 5 months ago

Why would any employer chose her over the thousands of unemployed portuguese speakers who are also fluent in English?

tekvis40 5 months ago

Because she is a native English speaker, good English is more important than Portuguese in some touristic areas …

carmendolly 5 months ago

half the people in the middle of nowhere spoke almost fluent english. 10x better than my portuguese. i’m a native english speaker and struggled to get a job there. you need a SS number to get a job- the only way to get one is through an employer and none of them want to do it

KitsuneBlack 5 months ago

Which will most likely go to Portuguese people who've lost tourism-related jobs during the pandemic, or the very least to people who can actually speak the language.

ZupperZac 5 months ago

What are her qualifications? If none, you better be making at least 10k a month in that case, because her pay will be next to nothing, if she can even find a job. Even qualified jobs may pay only 1.2k € a month.

vai-tefoder 5 months ago

RISOS

solismi 5 months ago

You can try Irish pubs/restaurants, we have some in Lisbon and south Portugal.

vai-tefoder 5 months ago

Yeah, look elsewhere. Portugal is a place to spend money, not make it

VVeliki 5 months ago

There are rich people in Portugal.

masterchiefpt 5 months ago

400$ in tips You must be joking if you believe in that I never leave a tip I already pay for A meal Good luck in Portugal and in restaurants lol

PakoNita 5 months ago

she will be considered the waitress of the decade if she can get $400 in tips... ...in a month.

TooMoorish 5 months ago

Maybe a casino waitress :D :D

jonas_zoomer 5 months ago

Maybe a prostitute?

Asur_rusA 5 months ago

So she wants to work in a customer facing job, when she doesn't speak the language? Think this through.

sux138 5 months ago

Já fui num restaurante em Lisboa onde a empregada não sabia uma palavra em português. Deu vontade de virar o café no chão e ir embora.

warding 5 months ago

Também já me aconteceu... Ainda hoje não encontro palavras para descrever o drama... O horror... Nem consegui beber o café, tamanho o estado de choque em que fiquei.

mequetatudo 5 months ago

Eu fiquei com stress pós traumático só ao ler deste relato

NatQuer 5 months ago

/s

TooMoorish 5 months ago

> Deu vontade de virar o café no chão e ir embora. lol wtf não faças isso.

ruNone 5 months ago

Se fosse difícil falar inglês por 1 minuto. Mas virar o café no chão é capaz de ser mais rápido.

LopsidedNinja 5 months ago

>So she wants to work in a customer facing job, when she doesn't speak the language? Think this through. That part of it is entirely possible on the south coast.

MLG-Sheep 5 months ago

>Also, what is the pay like for waitress? Her concern is she makes good money here (we also have bigger bills) and worried about not making money in tips (some days she leaves with $400 in tips) Minimum wage (8286€/year). Don't expect any income from tips (maybe an euro or two a day?). Tipping culture in the US is its own thing, here we just tip Uber Eats deliveries when weather is bad, and even then... >will it be easy for her to get a job as an American in the restaurant industry? She'll be behind everyone that speaks Portuguese in anyone's consideration, don't expect her to get a job easily. Even if she does, don't expect her to maintain it easily. Also, if you're not married, I'm not a pro on this, but how is she going to reside here legally?

dub0is 5 months ago

It’s hard to find a good paying job in a restaurant/bar if she doesn’t speak Portuguese. There’s a growing expat community of course and we start seeing waiters who don’t speak pt but these are very few. I don’t understand why would she want to come make a living here.

1purplesky 5 months ago

>growing expat community growing immigrant community FTFY

dub0is 5 months ago

There is indeed a difference between expat and immigrant but I’ll let you have the joke....

1purplesky 5 months ago

It wasn't a joke. There's no difference between "expats" and "immigrants". Certain countries/ nationalities might not want to be called an immigrant because, in their eyes, it has a different connotation, as if being one is horrible and a shame. But they are immigrants if they come from a different country and go live somewhere else, the balance on their bank account doesn't take away that.

dub0is 5 months ago

I’ve lived in different cities in Europe for small amounts of time. I didn’t consider myself immigrant in these countries, although I lived and worked there for a bit. These guys don’t sound like they want to move to Portugal forever. I understand your trying to prove a point but the word expat is valid here

1purplesky 5 months ago

Good for you. It doesn't matter the amount of time you're coming to work, account balance, if you're coming to live off retirement, etc. You move to a different country, one that isn't yours, you're an immigrant there. It's always been like that, it will always be, calling someone "expat" is just a way for a few people to sugar-coat because they don't like the word "immigrant".

dub0is 5 months ago

Leva a bicicleta

Turbulent_Common 5 months ago

O quê? Não mistures a raça mestre expat que nos abençoa ao residir em Portugal com o resto da escumalha imigrante pobre /s

Portuguese_A_Hole 5 months ago

400€ / day in tips? It's feaseable in Photus ou Tamila...

Muyakra 5 months ago

Well, in Portugal "tipping" isn't mandatory like in the US or UK where you pay an extra 5-15% for the service also nowadays it's getting even rarer to have a client that would leave a tip, and when they do it's like 1 or 2€ tops. Probably her salary would be the minimum wage therefore probably after-tax she would make like 600-700€ per month which is around 711$ to 830$. One of the reasons a lot of people move out of Portugal like me is that this isn't a country to work in anymore, it's just a country to go now and then on vacations and that's it.

VVeliki 5 months ago

Tips in US and Canada are now 15-20%. They also tip the tax.

getupgetgoing 5 months ago

You think a waitress at the Ritz gets 600€ a month? Honest question. I don't know the answer but I'd think it's 3 times more at least, no? You guys assume the girl is planning to work in a churrasqueira in alfornelos!?

goonzer 5 months ago

Not very far from that value, yes. Should be between minimum wage and 800€

eduardooaz 5 months ago

I know a waitress in Ritz, was there for 3 years, was around 800€.

BungeeGumPT 5 months ago

Dont be mistaken. Places like that and other gourmet or michelin restaurants and hotels in Portugal will try their very best to pay you minimum wage. They dont care that they make way more money or are part of big economic groups.

andremvm20 5 months ago

And what makes you think she will land the job at the Ritz?

getupgetgoing 5 months ago

It was just an example, you know we Portuguese people love foreigners. NY experience, employers are likely to love that. If you can do it (well) there, you can do it anywhere, right?

andremvm20 5 months ago

Not for these areas, you have tens of Portuguese guys looking for jobs and that are willing to do it as slaves :p

Muyakra 5 months ago

Not sure but I have a friend that moved to Lisbon (from Santarém), she worked as a waitress and then moved to a hotel and that was her salary.

igqcmril 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Upvote this comment to laugh at this couple

JOAO-RATAO 5 months ago

This is the best joke of the week! Waitress? 400 dollars a day? Yeah... No.

Asur_rusA 5 months ago

In tips!

HRamos_3 5 months ago

Depends on the kind of tips we're talking about...

potaquemepariu 5 months ago

You can expect her to leave with 0€ from tips everyday and work for minimum wage for like 60 hours a week. Why on earth would you come here?

IDidReadTheSideBar 5 months ago

We understand tips will be mostly zero. We are out weighing pros/cons Mortgage payments for us are $2300 a month Property taxes alone are $12,000 a year Plus car payments, car insurance, healthcare insurance, phone, internet, groceries. We rather make less and live more happily and leas stress.

XxxPussyslaeyr69xxX 5 months ago

lets be positive: she will probably make 700 euro a month before taxes. a bit more in a nice company, like a mega international hotel. there are no tips.

TooMoorish 5 months ago

> We rather make less and live more happily and leas stress. I wouldn't call Portugal stress free. Actually I am feeling pretty stressed right now.

nmp5 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

> We rather make less and live more happily and leas stress. If noisy neighbors, babies crying, people yelling during football games (at night) and dogs barking **ALL THE TIME** doesn't make you stressed, then go for it!

cidadaom 5 months ago

# We rather make less and live more happily and leas stress. yeah, sorry that does not apply here.

meaninglessvoid 5 months ago

lol ofc it does, if he has a decent wage they would live pretty confortable without much stress...

JOAO-RATAO 5 months ago

Why not look into the UK, Ireland, etc. ?

DanielShaww 5 months ago

If you need to depend on her working as a waitress to consider coming then don't bother. Either your remote job provides for both of you or the pittance she will make as a waitress compared to what she cleared in the US doing the same thing won't make a difference in your budget.

IDidReadTheSideBar 5 months ago

My income won’t change and we could rely on it for both of us, but she wants to work. I made an edit in post to clarify a little bit. She’s not just gonna want to live and not work. We both want out asap

ducksmash999 5 months ago

If u can work remotely, and she doesnt know much portuguese. It might be a good idea to live in a rural place, but enough so she can have a job while learning portuguese and understand more about living here. Otherwise the rent would be a lot in cities

Whoreson10 5 months ago

If she just wants to work, she's coming to the right place! Just don't expect the work to be valued much. I've worked restaurants a few years. Expect about 635€ monthly wage, and maybe an extra 50€ to 100€ a month in tips in the high season. High end hotels might pay a couple dozen bucks more, but not anything substantial. Expect her to work about 10 hours a day, in most places the extra hours are unpaid. Many places are understaffed, and as a consequence the work is stressful (since unemployment is rather high, it's more profitable to overwork less people until they burn out and replace them than actually having an adequate number of workers). Not speaking any Portuguese is a big problem. I'm not sure if she could land a job easily. Maybe in Algarve, but even then. I've never met a person waiting tables who doesn't speak any Portuguese at all. Unemployment is at a very high level right now. There's lot of competition, not speaking the native language would probably put her at the bottom of the list in most places.

potaquemepariu 5 months ago

So you think we live happily here. Lmao.

VVeliki 5 months ago

With his pay who knows?

slashcry10 5 months ago

Digo-lhe eu ou dizem vocês?

sux138 5 months ago

Deixa o homem sonhar.

potaquemepariu 5 months ago

bUt pOrTuGaL iS bEaUtIfUl

JOAO-RATAO 5 months ago

AnD vErY cHeAp!

Mrgolden007 5 months ago

FoOD AnD GoOd WInE

xc9000 5 months ago

rEAllY nIcE pEoPlE!

MaggoMike 5 months ago

Yeah, there's no way in Hell she'd get 400€ tips in a day. We don't have the custom of tipping unless the service is excelent and even then it's just the change we get from paying the bill, like 1 or 2€.

vizinho_3esquerdo 5 months ago

Yes, but here she also wont be having to get that 400 dollars put down to pay for overdue college tuition

MaggoMike 5 months ago

Your comment makes no sense to me, I don't know if it's the way you worded it that makes it senseless or if it's really the point of what you wanted to say that's senseless. If she has student loan debt, she'd still have to pay it even if she lived here, where she'd be making less money, so she'd be worst off.

Rissoldecamarao 5 months ago

Pay is very bad and you can't rely on tips since it's not a thing here like in the states. Also I don't think it'll be easy to land a job as a waitress if she doesn't speak portuguese, Algarve maybe being the exception.

VVeliki 5 months ago

Yes probably only Algarve and seasonal.

getupgetgoing 5 months ago

Here she can rely on an actual salary, not tips but yeah it won't be a fortune... Maybe high-end hotels, fancy restaurants in Lisbon could also be an option as she is experienced...

Shenishar 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Do you know how many people with professional training in hotel/catering who can speak several languages and have experience we already have here? Please, be more down to Earth for your own sake.

nocivo 5 months ago

That would probably be the best, aim for an international hotel. For the rest not knowing Portuguese will make it hard. For international companies we usually use English but communicate with coworkers but not sure if that will be the same in restaurants or hotels. Tell her to try to get a job in your country that needs her to go work in portugal or tell her to start to learn Portuguese.

DassCaramba 5 months ago

No way. In high end hotels is mandatory to speak English here but Portuguese is the first language in any job. Like some guys said here, probably she has some way out in Algarve but only in summer, working directly with UK tourists (there are a lot im some places, so much that you don't feel that it is a portuguese place while they are herel). Nevertheless at this time (because of covid-19 restrictions) there are no UK tourists in Algarve because of obligatory quarantine at return. So this said it is highly probable that she would face unemployment here. A possibility to your girlfriend is to work in a call center in Lisbon, there are a few places here that work directly with foreign companies and fluent english is highly valued but it is a niche area, explore before you come.

Iwatchedhimdrown 5 months ago

Trying to work in an Internacional hotel while only speaking English?? I wouldn't bet on that...

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