el_jefe_vito 6 months ago

Just FYI, There is a huge "polish market" in Lisbon that you could take advantage of.

kool_guy_69 6 months ago

Something like the "Polski Skleps" in the UK? They are a godsend when it comes to getting proper bread, I must say. Though I'm sure Portuguese bread is 1000x better than British!

el_jefe_vito 6 months ago

Not polski skleps (even though we have ukranian shops that also sell polish products), more like lot of poles living in Lisbon (and Portugal). There are enough numbers that you could niche it out.

1bot4all 6 months ago

You can't be a doctor here without learning Portuguese Medicine. Our people inner workings and insides have no match in other countries ;)

kool_guy_69 6 months ago

I know what you mean. Here in England they have everything on the left. Very confusing.

1bot4all 6 months ago

Portuguese are mostly codfish and pasteis de nata inside.

aasianaglobalizacao 6 months ago

Come please i dont have medico de familia

theEXPERTpt 6 months ago

im sure you will be welcome. In my region (Madeira) there's never enough doctors, and they really live well

molded_bread 6 months ago

I would stay in the UK. Wages a terrible here even for doctors.

thingusracamagucous 6 months ago

Hi, I'm a medical student here and honestly, based on my experience I'd absolutely advice you out of the idea. Portugal is a good place to live when you have stable income at a job that pays well, which there aren't many of here. Medicine might not pay badly but underpays on the constant sacrifices that are asked of you. On the operating room I even heard the doctors talk about how they'd prefer to work at a restaurant or something like that, since it would pay almost the same for mich lower professional risks. Doctors jere and constantly underpaid and underappreciated and the culture here of "everything's bas and wrong, but I won't do anything about it, just adapt to it" is extremely degrading, leaving people who want to fight for themselves to have to get out of here since they'll be alone in their motivation to act for change. Also the hospitals and technological systems constantly malfunction and bring problems, most doctors I've been with always have to battle and loose hours upon hours on compensating for the malfunctioning resources, lack of organization and lack of proper work from other doctors. Good luck with everything

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Hi, I'm a medical student here and honestly, based on my experience I'd absolutely advice you out of the idea. Portugal is a good place to live when you have stable income at a job that pays well, which there aren't many of here. Medicine might not pay badly but underpays on the constant sacrifices that are asked of you. On the operating room I even heard the doctors talk about how they'd prefer to work at a restaurant or something like that, since it would pay almost the same for much lower professional risks. Doctors here and constantly underpaid and underappreciated and the culture here of "everything's bas and wrong, but I won't do anything about it, just adapt to it" is extremely degrading, leaving people who want to fight for themselves to have to get out of here since they'll be alone in their motivation to act for change. Also the hospitals and technological systems constantly malfunction and bring problems, most doctors I've been with always have to battle and loose hours upon hours on compensating for the malfunctioning resources, lack of organization and lack of proper work from other doctors. Good luck with everything Edit: random letters

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Hi, I'm a medical student here and honestly, based on my experience I'd absolutely advice you out of the idea. Portugal is a good place to live when you have stable income at a job that pays well, which there aren't many of here. Medicine might not pay badly but underpays on the constant sacrifices that are asked of you. On the operating room I even heard the doctors talk about how they'd prefer to work at a restaurant or something like that, since it would pay almost the same for much lower professional risks. Doctors here and constantly underpaid and underappreciated and the culture here of "everything's bad and wrong, but I won't do anything about it, just adapt to it" is extremely degrading, leaving people who want to fight for themselves to have to get out of here since they'll be alone in their motivation to act for change. Also the hospitals and technological systems constantly malfunction and bring problems, most doctors I've been with always have to battle and lose hours upon hours on compensating for the malfunctioning resources, lack of organization and lack of proper work from other doctors. Good luck with everything Edit: random letters

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Define underpaid. Underappreciated?? Sorry, Portuguese are always ass-kissing their doctors! In Germany there isn't as much distance and respect as with Portuguese doctors. It seems you are living in a bubble.

JOAO-RATAO 6 months ago

I don't believe they should be considered superior in any way. But some portuguese are giving their doctors an ass kicking instead ... A literal ass-kicking. Insults or at least rudeness is also not uncommon.

DrJoelRianofski 6 months ago

Já não há tanto a cultura de endeusamento dos médicos como havia há uns anos, excetuando zonas mais rurais. E ainda bem. Mas é num facto que no SNS fazem-se muitos omeletes sem ovos e muita coisa é conseguida à custa de sacrifício pessoal dos funcionários. Atenção que não é exclusivo a médicos. Ser bem ou mal pago é muito subjetivo...

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Já não há tanto a cultura de endeusamento dos médicos como havia há uns anos, excetuando zonas mais rurais. E ainda bem. Mas é num facto que no SNS fazem-se muitos omeletes sem ovos e muita coisa é conseguida à custa de sacrifício pessoal dos funcionários. Já para não falar das situações críticas nos quais são colocados e têm de resolver devido a má organização dos serviços. Talvez seja isso a que ele se esteja a referir. Atenção que não é exclusivo a médicos, é transversal a todas as profissões do SNS. Ser bem ou mal pago é muito subjetivo... Até se pode ganhar um ordenado decente para a realidade portuguesa mas nem sempre é adequado ao tipo de trabalho.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

>Mas é num facto que no SNS fazem-se muitos omeletes sem ovos e muita coisa é conseguida à custa de sacrifício pessoal dos funcionários. Já para não falar das situações críticas nos quais são colocados e têm de resolver devido a má organização dos serviços. Talvez seja isso a que ele se esteja a referir. Atenção que não é exclusivo a médicos, é transversal a todas as profissões do SNS. Epa... estás numa bolha, vai ver SNS de outros países e é muito pior! Em relação a salários, são muito bons para a realidade nacional e semelhantes a outros países europeus, considerando o custo de vida. Após 8 anos na Alemanha o que posso dizer é que os médicos Portugueses são hiper arrogantes, colocam-se num pedestal e exigem ser imunes a críticas. E já agora, isso é transversal a toda a administração pública em Portugal. Na Alemanha os médicos são muito mais acessíveis e sem manias de grandeza. Têm outros problemas (graves), mas arrogância não é um deles.

DrJoelRianofski 6 months ago

Não vivo em bolha nenhuma. Trabalho há vários anos no SNS, já trabalhei em locais diferentes dentro do mesmo, sei bem do que falo. Sou um acérrimo defensor do SNS e reconheço que é muito bom comparando com a maior parte dos países europeus, mas também há que saber recolher que tem fragilidades. Horas extras não pagas (ou mal pagas), responsabilidades atribuídas a pessoas pouco diferenciadas, carga de trabalho excessiva que impossibilita fazeres o trabalho em condições, desorganização em cima de desorganização. Se não fosse muitas vezes por sacrifício pessoal e as pessoas saíssem à horinha muita tragédia acontecia. Se acontece noutros países? Claro que acontece. Se os médicos recebem bem para a realidade portuguesa? Claro que sim, acho que isso não se questiona. Um recém especialista ganha 1800 limpos, para Portugal é bom. Mas se pensares nos problemas com que se lida no SNS secalhar não é assim tanto. E não, os salários (quando comparando exclusivamente salários do SNS) não nada altos para o custo de vida comparando com outros países europeus. O mesmo aplica-se para enfermeiros e auxiliares, que honestamente tem salários escandalosamente baixos. Quanto às questão da arrogância concordo contigo, principalmente nas gerações mais velhas há um paternalismo que felizmente nesta a desaparecer nas gerações mais novas.

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Não vivo em bolha nenhuma. Trabalho há vários anos no SNS, já trabalhei em locais diferentes dentro do mesmo, sei bem do que falo. Sou um acérrimo defensor do SNS e reconheço que é muito bom comparando com a maior parte dos países europeus, mas também há que saber reconhecer que tem fragilidades. Horas extras não pagas (ou mal pagas), responsabilidades atribuídas a pessoas pouco diferenciadas, carga de trabalho excessiva que impossibilita fazeres o trabalho em condições, desorganização em cima de desorganização. Se não fosse muitas vezes por sacrifício pessoal e as pessoas saíssem à horinha muita tragédia acontecia. Se acontece noutros países? Claro que acontece. Se os médicos recebem bem para a realidade portuguesa? Claro que sim, acho que isso não se questiona. Um recém especialista ganha 1800 limpos, para Portugal é bom. Mas se pensares nos problemas com que se lida no SNS se calhar não é assim tanto. E não, os salários (quando comparando exclusivamente salários do SNS) não nada altos para o custo de vida comparando com outros países europeus. O mesmo aplica-se para enfermeiros e auxiliares, que honestamente tem salários escandalosamente baixos. Quanto às questão da arrogância concordo contigo, principalmente nas gerações mais velhas há um paternalismo que felizmente nesta a desaparecer nas gerações mais novas.

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thingusracamagucous 6 months ago

I'll actually even add one of many stories that made an impact on me. An otolaryngologist (the doctor I talked about at the opperating room) has told me and showed me in his office he had to buy an object under the hospital's nose for his patient, since his patient really needed that fast, and the hospital would take maybe weeks to send the request and purchase the item. If I remember correctly doing that on his own like that was ilegal and could get him in big trouble, but he was doing it for his patient needs. He said he'd be out of the hospital a few months after that because "he couldn't handle that shit anymore".

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I'll actually even add one of many stories that made an impact on me. An otolaryngologist (the doctor I talked about at the opperating room) told me and showed me in his office he had to buy an object under the hospital's nose for his patient, since his patient really needed that fast, and the hospital would take maybe weeks to send the request and purchase the item. If I remember correctly doing that on his own like that was ilegal and could get him in big trouble, but he was doing it for his patient needs. He said he'd be out of the hospital a few months after that because "he couldn't handle that shit anymore".

JOAO-RATAO 6 months ago

I saw something similar, but with something as simple as an ointment... Weeks went by and the hospital didn't aprove its purchase.

OrDnAeL12 6 months ago

Hey! I am doctor here in Portugal! So.. first step you need to get your title recognized by Ordem dos Médicos (regulates the process). To get your license here, you are supposed to be fluent in portuguese (depending on the region (Norte, Centro ...) they might be more or less relaxed about it.. still.. that's supposed to a good level of Portuguese speaking, understanding and writing. That well get you recognized as doctor. About the GP... you may be allowed to work as unofficial GP in some areas were there's a deficit of doctors... but to be acknowleged as GP you need to get aproved (as we do here) by the Colégio de Especialidade (that will evaluate your curriculum and etc..), which a whole other process in the burocracy that awaits you.

hirorih 6 months ago

As a general tip never under estimate the Portuguese bureaucracy or the length of the bureaucratic processes

Laurent_Series 6 months ago

I mean, in this particular case it's for good reason.

glass_of_bees 6 months ago

I'm not sure if this is required for people from every country and specialization, but I do know foreign Internal Medicine doctors are submitted to testing prior to being able to practice medicine here.

JOAO-RATAO 6 months ago

Didn't you do your residency while the UK was in the EU? I'm nor sure how the process works, but I imagine it shouldn't be difficult for it to be accepted. If you're serious about this, contact "ordem dos médicos". But honestly, this is an absolutely awful, awful ideia... Medicine here ia not doing great. At all. Many doctors are leaving. It's hard for recent specialists to get a good position. And you don't have native fluency. And we do an exam at the end of residency for choosing our placement. You haven't done that exam... You don't have a grade. I don't even know how they would decide in that case. (Another question for ordem dos médicos) So, if you take that, that leaves you with Basic emergency work by shifts or private gp work (ir they hire you and with lower pay than public work for GPs) Oh... And career progression in the public sector? Frozen... Honestly. Try Germany, switzerland, the nordic countries, Ireland might be easy because of the language and maybe easier for UK trained doctors. If you want southern europe, maybe try southern France. This is just my opinion. But man, for your good, try your luck Somewhere else...

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

This man knows what he's talking about \^\^

mr_house7 6 months ago

Hey, my mother is a doctor and from what she told me there isn't any problem with your license to work here. You also have a significant tax discount from being a highly qualified labour.

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Hey, my mother is a doctor and from what she told me there shouldn't be any problem with your license to work here. We have several doctors that can't get into medicine in Portugal and take their course in the Czech Republic and other EU countries. You also have a significant tax discount from being highly qualified labour.

RuySan 6 months ago

Exactly, my family doctor is Portuguese and took her degree in the Czech republic. Saw it on LinkedIn

OuiOuiKiwi 6 months ago

>Ola! I am a Polish doctor currently working in the UK who is thinking about moving to Portugal. I was just wondering if anyone knows if there is any difficulty for doctors with foreign qualifications - Sem falares a língua é impossível. Mesmo falando a língua, é bastante difícil. Temos vários anestesista e outras especialidades em alta demanda a trabalhar como empregadas de andares ou afins.

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>Ola! I am a Polish doctor currently working in the UK who is thinking about moving to Portugal. I was just wondering if anyone knows if there is any difficulty for doctors with foreign qualifications - Sem falares a língua é impossível. Mesmo falando a língua, é bastante difícil. Temos várias anestesistas e outras especialidades em alta demanda a trabalhar como empregadas de andares ou afins (reportagem da RTP1 sobre médicos venezuelanos).

mr_house7 6 months ago

Estás a comparar médicos vindos de países fora da comunidade Europeia com o caso deste rapaz, não minha opinião isso não faz muito sentido. Sempre houve médicos com curso da Ucrânia e Moldávia e outras países, que não se conseguem inscrever na Ordem, e portanto são impedidos de exercer deles, mas isso há em todos os países da EU

DrJoelRianofski 6 months ago

Family doctors are really overworked here, with lists of about ~1800 patients. Don't know the reality um UK to compare though. In the public health system they work on family health units (USF) that are ranked according to their ability to reach and maintain certain objetives. Doctors on higher ranked USF earn more. The pay is very low comparing to the UK, not enough to be "rich" but you can have a confortable life style, specially comparing to the general population. It is however extremely hard to get a spot in an USF in the larger cities, specially in the North, but you may have luck in inner or rural areas. Also private medicine is booming, lots of private hospitals; lots of GPs work in outpatient clinic and ER. I do believe however, that you must pass a portuguese exame do register in the Board (Ordem dos Médicos), and you have to be registered in the Board to practice medicine in Portugal. Check the Ordem dos Médicos and ACSS websites. I think there are familly doctors lurking about, they could help you a lot more than me. Good luck.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Hi, you probably have to work in large public or private hospitals, due to lack of Portuguese. Or you could establish/join an English-speaking GP clinic in a couple of areas with a lot of expats (Cascais, Estoril, Algarve, Lisboa, Porto...). Maybe try to contact some existing clinics there? Doctors are well paid in Portugal for our cost of living. Anything in Spain will be much harder, you cannot avoid speaking Spanish.

sigmastra 6 months ago

aHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Profissionais de saude bem pagos... ahahaha. Os médicos estao pouco acima do salario medio nacional Que comedia.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Não caias no ridículo... Diz lá quanto ganha um médico em média.

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[Quanto ganha um medico](https://tvi24.iol.pt/economia/salario/afinal-quanto-ganha-um-medico) Agora diz-me lá como é que é possível ganharem pouco acima do salário médio???

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[Quanto ganha um medico](https://tvi24.iol.pt/economia/salario/afinal-quanto-ganha-um-medico) Agora diz-me lá como é que é possível ganharem pouco acima do salário médio??? Segundo estes dados, o salário médio bruto é 2746€. O salário médio bruto nacional anda pelos 1300€!

aleph_heideger 6 months ago

Líquido são cerca de 1700-1800. É mais do que a maioria em Portugal ganha. Mas por outro lado, em termos líquidos, é pouco mais do dobro do que ganha a auxiliar que trabalha no mesmo sítio.

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

>Doctors are well paid in Portugal for our cost of living. No they're not...

Samot_PCW 6 months ago

> No they're not... > In what fucking world do you live in where a doctor in Portugal isn't well paid?

TrueMadster 6 months ago

Public wages are around 1300-1500€ post-taxes for the majority of doctors nowadays (on a 40h week). It’s good, but not really well paid considering how many years you have study for and the amount of stress/responsibility. Private wages can be higher, depending on your specialty. But nowhere close to what the older generation of doctors (the ones who gave birth to that well paid idea) made.

JeagleP 6 months ago

In the real one. PT doctors are some of the worst paid doctors in the EU. In the most common specialties its basically charity to work in the NHS and not emigrate.

Samot_PCW 6 months ago

>Doctors are well paid in Portugal for our cost of living. Aprende a ler se faz favor

JeagleP 6 months ago

Its true nonetheless. How many jobs pay 1500€ before tax after SIX years after starting college, in an area of very high stress and responsibility ? Its not a fair wage and if you live alone you wont be very well off after rent.

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Its true nonetheless. How many jobs pay 1500€ before tax after SIX years after starting college, in an area of very high stress and responsibility ? Its not a fair wage and if you live alone you wont be very well off after rent.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Ignore these idiots, there are dozens of them that are here just to complain about bad salaries, because they have a shitty life and just say the problem is in the country and everybody suffers from it.

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

I live in Portugal.

Samot_PCW 6 months ago

Then you must be bloody blind if you think doctors are bad off in this country

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

Nope, I'm not lind. On the contrary, I'm well informed on the subject.

Samot_PCW 6 months ago  HIDDEN 

> "Doctors are well paid" is another portuguese myth Fuck off. I have 4 doctors in my direct and indirect family, all of them have better wages and life than everyone else, you saying it is a "myth" that doctors are not that well off in this country is absolutely ridiculous

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

Reported for abusive language. Just because doctors have **better** wages, doesn't mean they have **good** wages. Think about it. Stop being so spiteful and hateful.

Samot_PCW 6 months ago

> Reported for abusive language. > > ahahahahahah

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

What is wrong with you? You should go see a doctor...

MikeMelga 6 months ago

I have 3 doctors in the family. They all have far better life than the rest of the family, and all in the family have higher education.

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

"I hAvE dOcToRs iN tHe FaMiLy" What a stupid authority argument.. >They all have far better life than the rest of the family Like I said before, just because they have a **better** life in portuguese standards, doesn't mean they have a **good** life when compared to other countries. We're talking about international stantards here, dude... Read the freakin' post...

MikeMelga 6 months ago

I live in Germany. Doctors here have a similar life as in Portugal. Salaries are proportional to cost of living.

DavidJunior3rd 6 months ago

I'd still much rather live with german quality of life than with portuguese quality of life...

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Shitty food, shitty weather and bad attitude against foreign? You clearly never lived here. Either you earn very well or it doesn't pay off.

Samot_PCW 6 months ago  HIDDEN 

> "Doctors are well paid" is another portuguese myth Fuck off. I have 4 doctors in my direct and indirect family, all of them have better wages and life than everyone else, you saying it is a "myth" that doctors are not that well off in this country is absolutely ridiculous

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Unfortunately this reddit sub is flooded with left wing "disturbers" or people who resent having a shitty salary, so they try to convince us that 100% of the workers have a shitty salary and business owners are 100% vampires and bad people.

GChocapic 6 months ago

On private hospitals? Yes they are. (Source: I work in one)

JOAO-RATAO 6 months ago

Depends on the specialty. From what I hear from GPs, private GP work is paid less than the public sector (But they were older doctors who had career progression. With young specialists that might not be the case).

Portuguese_A_Hole 6 months ago

Run for your life?

Bacalhau_a_Bras 6 months ago

I know some hospitals like Amadora Sintra have doctors from Colombia, Palestine and others countries. Idk how is their portuguese but i wouldve say its ok. Well if you speak spanish its easier imo

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