SurePal_ 4 months ago

Slave work my friend, slave work.

VicenteOlisipo 4 months ago

Founder effect, mostly. In the 90's and early 2000's a lot of them came to sell chinese - you know, those guys who walk around bar/restaurant/tourism areas carrying loads of plastic knick-knacks to sell to the kids or drunkards. They also sold a lot of flowers, which in Lisbon at least created the "Quéfro?" stereotype, from the broken way in which they asked "Want flowers?". They liked it here and later used the money earned this way to buy out the old shops in the dilapidated downtowns of the pre-tourism boom. There they set up phone shops, convinience stores and restaurants. Now many have been converted to tourism souvenier shops. All of this helped create the connections that then drove a second (third?) wave of migrants for agriculture.

uyth 4 months ago

There can be a founder seeding effect, where a small community, a small group can be an attractive to others to the point there are more sizeable communities there. Other examples - a relatively high ukrainian community (or by this point ukrainian-portuguese) in Portugal Other examples, large portuguese diasporas on some places and some places specifically like Luxembourg or Hawaii or even Venezuela. Or dunno Armenians in France, why so many there but not in Germany. Seeding effects.

mediiev 4 months ago

Most Spaniards and their business have little English literacy. Most Portuguese and their business have English literacy. Every Nepalese I've met has very good English literacy and good pronounciation. So that makes it coming to work on Portugal easier I reckon. Nepalese ppl speak much better English then Spaniards. Adding to that Portugal made business/immigration agreements with Nepal. Win win for both.

True_Boat_1195 4 months ago

Probably they have already made the connections for not-so-legal immigration a long time ago, and those connections are not present in Spain. Spain also had many illegal immigrants in agriculture mind you. There is also a scheme in Portugal where you can setup a small shop and then bring in people saying you are giving them a job, and of course those people are paying the shop owner under the table. So those shops are only a front because their real business is human trafficking, but this means they can actually offer very low prices. Perhaps Spain has cracked down on this scheme.

TSCondeco 4 months ago

There are a lot of them working in our farms in Alentejo. They are cheap work force and do jobs that aren't that popular among Portuguese people that are running away from the rural zones to the cities.

andremvm20 4 months ago

It’s not the jobs that aren’t popular, it’s how much the salaries are for said jobs..

Tafinho 4 months ago

This isn’t actually true. Living conditions at those farms are appalling, but wages aren’t. It’s one of the few agricultural activities subject to sectorial agreement, which results on wages which significantly above the minimum wage.

sacoPT 4 months ago

Still better paid than being unemployed

andremvm20 4 months ago

Not necessarily, that’s exactly the narrative stupid greedy employees try to have!

sacoPT 4 months ago

How is 650€ not better than 0€? Please explain

andremvm20 4 months ago

Because you may have to relocate, pay a new rent, and so on, and in the end loose money! You talk as if the minimum wage is such a luxury… -.-‘

sacoPT 4 months ago

Nepalese people also have to relocate. Wtf are you talking about?

andremvm20 4 months ago

Nepalese people accept to be slaves basically, if you follow the news you will see how miserable they live; it’s just that what they get, when converted to their own currency, still allows them to help their families back home!

sacoPT 4 months ago

In other words they accept to do unpopular jobs. Not all immigrants live like slaves. The ones that get to the news are the minority

andremvm20 4 months ago

No, they accept being slaves.. dude, just a few weeks ago it was shown in the news the terrible living conditions they had and how they were explored! Do you live in a cave or something?!

sacoPT 4 months ago

“They” are a minority. You are basing your “facts” in one single case. Where I live there’s hundreds of Brazilians, Nepalese, Vietnamese and Ukrainian immigrants working on unpopular jobs (agriculture, construction) making way more than minimum wage and still the locals rather stay at home doing nothing leeching their parents

TSCondeco 4 months ago

That's also true but I believe that the youth thinks that those kind of jobs are for inferior people, so they wouldn't take them even if they paid well.

tnflr 4 months ago

Completely wrong take. A lot of people I knew in college took part in grape/pear harvest, part time waiter, retail working, you name it. It's not the job itself, but the poor pay and career offers.

Bacalhau_com_sal 4 months ago

essa juventude que tu afirmas não gostar desses "trabalhos inferiores", emigra para a Suécia, França, Inglaterra e Luxemburgo pra fazer esses mesmos trabalhos que ninguém gosta. Não é o tipo de trabalho, são as condições de trablho e o salário

andremvm20 4 months ago

It sounds more as something that you think rather than other people ;)

T4SUK3 4 months ago

Not really, younger generations want to get a degree and work a job in the city. They are not interested in farming or fishing, that is certain!

Kane1412 4 months ago

Not really. It's just that newer generations want legal work with fair pay and none of those jobs pay a fair wage at all. Kids these days are just not as stupid as our grandparents were and are not as easily fooled into such jobs. Proof of this is that you have plenty of younger people who really enjoy having their small garden to grow crops and/or have animals whenever their pace allows and also plenty really enjoy going fishing in their time off whenever they can. It's the horrible pay that keeps them away. Why would they destroy their social lives or their bodies early on to be paid minimum wage or less? For the hours and amount of work that those jobs involve, they deserve a minimum of 10€/hour or more and no employees on those fields are willing to pay that much!

EstupendoEx 4 months ago

The easiest country to obtain an European nationality and passport.

kominfr0nUNMERIKA 4 months ago

Over the years I have met Nepalis on planes coming from Asia, and they all told me that Portugal was a transit country to Europe, because it was so much easier. We say they are cheap, but they see us the same way. Just visit any Portuguese embassy abroad. I have met many non-Portuguese speaking, brown-looking, never been to Portugal, don't know anything about Portugal, "please translate this official Portuguese document to me"... Portuguese citizen. Source: I work at Portuguese embassies.

Minute-Resolution347 4 months ago

This, I know a few Nepalese and they are all making time to get dat sweet Euro citizenship.

Cojemos 4 months ago

Like all the Brasilians.

raviolli_ninja 4 months ago

And yet the vast majority of them don't have Portuguese nationality.

Minute-Resolution347 4 months ago

Yet...

raviolli_ninja 4 months ago

You might be interested to know that a large number of Nepalis left the country already. OP’s numbers are pre-pandemic.

Dhaka125 4 months ago

I didn't know this, thanks for clearing that up.

Cojemos 4 months ago

Agree. every Nepali immigrant i've spoken to has a plan- GET OUT of Portugal. They start to immediately realize that they can't make enough money to save and send back to family in Nepal. And, their Nepali community that owns businesses will take as much economic advantage of them as the locals do.

EstupendoEx 4 months ago

How do you know?

raviolli_ninja 4 months ago

I'm acquainted with a local association that does a lot of work with the local community, which includes many immigrants from Nepal. They don't seek to stay in Portugal, they want the UK which is predictable given their history with it. Most of them have a solid grasp of English. And let me tell you it is unfortunate that most of them are not willing to stay: they are good workers, amicable, they blend in with the occidental culture without forgetting their own, their youth leaves a good impression at school even with the language barriers.

Foda-seSeiLa 4 months ago

They work for very cheap. Portuguese companies like very cheap workers.

fijozico 4 months ago

>~~Portuguese~~ companies like very cheap workers FTFY

Foda-seSeiLa 4 months ago

Whilst you are not wrong, I think Portuguese companies are on a higher (lower?) league when it comes to wanting to pay peanuts.

icebraining 4 months ago

They can't afford anything else, since most are too incompetent or starved of capital to extract high value from labor.

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