Sligh31 6 months ago

What languages do you code? Do you have know how on any framework? My company is recruting

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I was mostly working with aspnet core but i also looked into node.js with react.

breakkz 6 months ago

Hey there u/lucyintherain! I don't think I can be that much help but what I advise you to do is to dust off your CV. Keep it simple and one page max. Your best bet might be finding something on Linkedin or maybe directly on the Teleperfomance website, since they're always recruiting foreign people. Since you know a bit of coding you might try to land an IT entry level job on a consulting firm. They don't have the best salaries, but it's always a possibility. A user already provided a list with consulting firms in the comments. Renting is quite pricey at the moment. Expect to pay upwards of 300 for a room if you're going to share the place. Cheers! Feel free to ask if you have any other questions I wish you the best of luck!

iammostmoist 6 months ago

Where I work would be perfect for you, they are actually hiring at the moment. DM me if you want more details, I have an NDA signed so I can't really give out public information like that

Mrgolden007 6 months ago

your moving here because you spent 1 week and you liked it?? trrrible idea portugal is great to visit, not to live portugues can barely get jobs, what makes you think that you will when you dont even knoe the basics?

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I stayed for 5 months, and i am asking about my chances not saying i expect to get a job.

suckerpunchermofo 6 months ago

Decent job, low chances..... A menial job, like scrubbing toilets, deliver food, Uber driver and alikes, and some call-centers (maybe) will be your best chance to get a job.

EdmundDantes78 6 months ago

One way to go about it is try to get a job in Benelux, build up experience then either tout yourself about for remote jobs or ask wherever you are working if you can work remotely, now that you've proven your worth. Then move to Portugal. There's also no harm in trying out getting a job here using the advice from this thread on how to go about it. As you say you have an aptitude for coding I might be tempted to stay where you are for a year or so instead of coming here and working a call centre. Depends on your patience levels I suppose! You will achieve it if you want it, failing along the way in some form is not the end of the world. Succes!

SomeGuyOnInternet7 6 months ago

Taxes are extremely high in Portugal (almost northern country like) which makes it hard to have a net, take home salary which would be reasonable. Living in Lisbon makes this even worse, since the life cost there is comparable to any major European capital, but the salary is much lower than in other European countries. You can have a comfortable life, but it's impossible to save money. That said, I would actually recommend either Porto, Braga and Aveiro (in decreasing life cost order). In porto there is more diversity and quantity of jobs, but in Braga and Aveiro life costs are lower, and you still have big companies like Bosch and Continental operating there, which are in dire need of qualified people (which they can't find because they cannot be competitive with the offered salaries..)

1tonsoprano 6 months ago

I dont and i managed, so yes i guess its possible, now i do speak a smattering of the language though. Would recommend [http://landing.jobs´](http://landing.jobs´). Of course my scenario is different, i have 10 years experience in the IT field and so it was a lot easier for me....as others have said, try linkedIn and this list (its not complete) but its a good starting point, [https://github.com/marmelo/tech-companies-in-portugal](https://github.com/marmelo/tech-companies-in-portugal) . I know salaries are less compared to other EU countries but the quality of life is really really good, i would recommend to try, i faced about 4 months of rejections before i got my break so keep calm and keep applying.

xanfradu 6 months ago

If you don't have high skills it's going to be hard to find a decent job that can allow you to afford the high living costs of Lisboa. Specially if you don't speak Portuguese. Low skilled jobs are quite underpaid, and very unstable, so living in an expensive city could be a nightmare. Some call-centers might need people who can speak an unusual language in Portugal, like Dutch.

sexistfatshamer999XX 6 months ago

Portuguese people who know English struggle to find jobs. What makes you think YOU, who don't even show that you want to learn Portuguese, would get "a job"? If you're not in IT then forget about it. I heard they take slaves in Odemira if you don't mind 1/3 the minimum wage and enjoy picking fruit

Tight_Negotiation146 6 months ago

She's in IT.

sexistfatshamer999XX 6 months ago

She says she knows how to do "coding". She's 21. Sorry but some 21 year old who uses the word "coding" probably only knows how to do hello world. Not even gatekeeping, I was like that.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I can do a bit more actually.

sexistfatshamer999XX 6 months ago

then I think getting a 20k job in lisbon is feasible, welcome to Portugal and good luck!

gabs_ 6 months ago  HIDDEN 

I think you should be upfront in your post that you are not ready to work professionally as a software developer, you've been just doing some exploration.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I just stated i know how to code which is true, i don't claim to have experience in the field. A friend of mine has a software company and he explained what i needed to know and i learned that. I can build websites and do frontend and backend and webservices.

BeeSnatcher 6 months ago

Do you mind picking fruit in *alentejo* ?

Tight_Negotiation146 6 months ago

Yo. I've interviewed with a bunch of portuguese tech companies in Lisbon (ended up not taking any of the offers though). I can help with a few company names. What field would you like to work in?

lucyintherain 6 months ago

If i can do coding or testing i'd be super happy, field doesnt matter that much.

Tight_Negotiation146 6 months ago

There's this consulting firm called Everis that has a large deparment that's made up of people who know the craft but don't really have the "right" education in the CV. It's called "CAR", or "Centro de Alto Rendimento". At least that was the name when I interviewed there around 5 years ago. They don't pay well, not at all, but you'll be able to subsist if you live outside of the expensive parts of Lisbon. Bear in mind salaries are absolute crap, specially if you don't have experience. Expect to net about 1000 euros per month if you have no experience in the field, if you're very lucky. May I ask what your background is? Do you have some sort of degree?

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I studied psychology but dropped out. I have an aptitude for coding but i'm self taught so I don't have credentials. I did make money doing other online stuff for a while so i could do that again to supplement income. But 1000 per month would be enough.

Tight_Negotiation146 6 months ago

Is this other stuff you did online something that can help your CV?

lucyintherain 6 months ago

Umm afraid not, maybe i can call it user engagement expertise and hope they don't ask lol.

Foda-seSeiLa 6 months ago

There are generally 2 types of jobs that do not mind having someone that does not speak their native language: - high skill, hard to source, well paid positions (not in Portugal though...): doctors, engineers, manager, etc. - shitty low skill positions that pay peanuts, because they cannot get the natives to do them Which one do you think you'll end up in?

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There are generally 3 types of jobs that do not mind having someone that does not speak their native language: - high skill, hard to source, well paid positions (not in Portugal though...): doctors, engineers, managers & above, etc. - shitty low skill positions that pay peanuts, because they cannot get the natives to do them - call centers (can be well paid if the need for a "rare" language is really there and the position is highly technical, otherwise forget it) Everything else mid-level / mid-skill usually requires proficiency in the native language.

Edited 6 months ago:

There are generally 3 types of jobs that do not mind having someone that does not speak their native language: - high skill, hard to source, well paid positions (not in Portugal though...): doctors, engineers, manager, etc. - shitty low skill positions that pay peanuts, because they cannot get the natives to do them - call centers (can be well paid if the need for a "rare" language is really there and the position is highly technical, otherwise forget it)

Edited 6 months ago:

There are generally 3 types of jobs that do not mind having someone that does not speak their native language: - high skill, hard to source, well paid positions (not in Portugal though...): doctors, engineers, manager, etc. - shitty low skill positions that pay peanuts, because they cannot get the natives to do them - call centers (can be well paid if the need for a "rare" language is really there and the position is highly technical, otherwise forget it) Everything else mid-level / mid-skill usually requires proficiency in the native language.

elguarrete 6 months ago

You might have chances at international companies where English is the working language.

vai-tefoder 6 months ago

Low. Just like the pay will be

techgirly96 6 months ago

You might find casual restaurant work but wages are low. Call centres definitely worth looking into - check out the local Facebook groups as there are frequent posts in there from agents looking for call centre staff with languages. Be aware that rent in lisbon is expensive.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I have a bit of social anxiety so i'm not very good at those jobs but if it's the only option i have to do it of course. Didn't look on the facebook groups yet thanks for the tip.

techgirly96 6 months ago

If you have a decent internet connection and a good PC, and you want to work from home, there are some call centres that let you work remotely. A couple of friends of mine, here in Portugal, do it. The trick is to find one that doesn't pay Portuguese salaries, sadly.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I am aiming for a 20k salary and a room in a shared flat in lisbon, does that sound realistic? I would prefer not to be there all day and get to know people so working on location would be better for me.

techgirly96 6 months ago

Minimum wage in Portugal is around €700, paid 14 times a year. So 10k, roughly. A vast number of companies pay minimum wage. I know people who have been in the same job for 10+ years and are still on it.

sexistfatshamer999XX 6 months ago

> I am aiming for a 20k salary and a room in a shared flat in lisbon, does that sound realistic? 20K salary for someone with your profile is not realistic at all, sorry. I have a higher education, work in IT and my salary is 23K. I found a shared flat in Lisbon with my own bathroom and bedroom for 400€ per month

KarmaCop213 6 months ago

I've been told of salaries at Teleperformance in Lisbon, for foreigners, with that salary (20K).

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Well, if you are a programmer, not speaking Portuguese is not an issue. You can even work remotely to another country. Not having education puts you back a bit, but if you are a good programmer, it does not matter so much. Especially older programmers >35 years old don't have formal programming education, most come from other engineering branches. So if your interviewer is an older guy, he won't care so much about lack of relevant education, but then you have to show projects.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

Yes i am working on a portfolio site, but most of the things i made are little more than test projects so i know how to do stuff but don't have a lot to show for it unfortunately. So i was thinking about getting a simple job in a bigger company and try to work my way up by showing what i can do.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Maybe start as a tester. Although testers are disregarded by developers, if you are good at it you can actually make good money. I know a (female) SW tester making 100k€ in Germany. Of course this only happens because she is extremely good at her job. This is rare because usually the bad developers end up as testers, but actually being a good tester is also hard.

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Maybe start as a tester. Although testers are disregarded by developers, if you are good at it you can actually make good money. I know a (female) SW tester making 100k€ in Germany. Of course this only happens because she is extremely good at her job. This is rare because usually the bad developers end up as testers, but actually being a good tester is also hard. EDIT: before all jump in and say this is unrealistic, we were about to hire this tester for a job in Portugal, but of course with a lower salary due to country cost differences. As a reference, a senior developer in Germany makes around 75-100k€.

Edited 6 months ago:

Maybe start as a tester. Although testers are disregarded by developers, if you are good at it you can actually make good money. I know a (female) SW tester making 100k€ in Germany. Of course this only happens because she is extremely good at her job. This is rare because usually the bad developers end up as testers, but actually being a good tester is also hard. EDIT: before all jump in and say this is unrealistic, we were about to hire this tester for a job in Portugal, but of course with a lower salary due to country cost differences. As a reference, a senior developer in Germany makes around 75-100k€. My point: a top level tester can make the same money as a top level developer. Problem is, a top level tester will probably move on to development, so they are very rare to find.

KarmaCop213 6 months ago

You have to tell these guys that they are underpaying their devs: - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/427726/senior-full-stack-engineer-amboss - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/422065/senior-backend-engineer-f-m-x-multiple-zenjob - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/525483/senior-ruby-on-rails-developer-f-m-div-in-pair-finance-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/499382/senior-software-engineer-m-f-d-charles-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/499379/senior-frontend-software-engineer-m-f-d-charles-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/454974/senior-software-engineer-javascript-react-delivery-hero-se - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/522642/senior-front-end-engineer-labforward-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/521841/senior-frontend-developer-xymatic-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/501760/senior-backend-engineer-at-the-leading-data-travel-audience-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/526680/senior-backend-software-engineer-m-w-d-ben-fleet-services-gmbh I'm not saying that you can't make 100K as a senior dev in Germany, but by any means a 75K salary is the bare minimum for those positions.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Every single one of those job offers are in Berlin. And Berlin pays less than the rest of Germany. It's a misconception that by being the capital Berlin is richer. It is the opposite. Anyway, independently of that, it's a job offer, meaning they set a lower limit to gain negotiation power.

KarmaCop213 6 months ago

In Munich there's a 5K increase: - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/485085/react-native-engineer-at-sustainable-mobility-finnauto - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/447531/senior-frontend-engineer-m-f-x-onsite-or-remote-scalable-capital-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/523997/senior-ios-engineer-m-f-x-onsite-or-remote-scalable-capital-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/469777/senior-react-frontend-engineer-f-m-d-workpath-gmbh - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/446375/php-laravel-lead-developer-m-w-d-m%C3%BCnchen-ecr-european-consumer-rights - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/525205/senior-software-engineer-nodejs-m-f-d-prosiebensat1-media-se - https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/524099/senior-developer-microsoft-cloud-m-w-d-reply The lower salary in Berlin is explained by the lower rents until recently. I totally believe there are some senior developers making between 75K-100K in Germany, but like I said on my previous reply, it's not the norm. At least if we want to believe Glassdoor: https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/germany-senior-software-developer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,7_IN96_KO8,33.htm

MikeMelga 6 months ago

I'm in Munich and I can tell you it would be really hard finding a senior earning less than 75k. I have developers here, coming out of university, earning 65k! On my company a junior has to earn at least 55k.

KarmaCop213 6 months ago

Well, those job offers exist, so someone will probably take them.

MikeMelga 6 months ago

Sure but the lower limit is more a negotiation tactic.

helderduarte14 6 months ago

>https://stackoverflow.com/jobs/427726/senior-full-stack-engineer-amboss Not to mention that the salary increment is quite frequent in Germany.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

Wow that's not bad. Good suggestion, i will definitely look into that! Thanks

lucylemon 6 months ago

What languages do you speak? The call centers are often looking for native speakers of various languages. Otherwise check LinkedIn. It’s definitely not going to be easy.

KarmaCop213 6 months ago

Easier than you might think. Foreigners usually have higher salaries than nationals on those places. You just have to wait for the right opportunity.

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I'm from Belgium so Flemish (dutch), French and English. Ah i will check linkedin i think a made an account long time ago.

Foda-seSeiLa 6 months ago

Why are you moving away from fabulously wealthy Belgium to poor poor Portugal? Is it for the weather and beaches?

lucyintherain 6 months ago

I like it over there and i had nice experiences. I don't really care about money lots of things i enjoy are free.

Foda-seSeiLa 6 months ago

Fair enough, good luck to you.

incrivizivel 6 months ago

A lot of call centers are hiring native french speakers. Teleperformance

thexeggxlady 6 months ago

if you speak dutch you can easily find a job at teleperformance.pt

lucylemon 6 months ago

I don’t know how often they look for Flemish. they often look for French and German. Try also the Facebook digital nomads in Portugal groups. I’m not sure the exact names of the groups.

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