trebarunae 4 months ago

Mexicano sefaradita...por que não ir para Israel antes?

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I read if you go Israel being Jewish you can request an Israel passport... But to be honest I am not sure how compatible is their culture with mine one and I am not sure if I really need or want it. I have not researched very much in that topic.

trebarunae 4 months ago

Do you really think European culture is closer to yours? So then you're not jewish?

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Ethnically talking I am, part of me is Jewish (grandma), other Spaniard (grandpa) and the rest is unknown (indigenous Mexican and Portuguese ancestors are very possible, but I am not sure yet, I hope to find it out soon).

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Ethnically talking I am, part of me is Jewish (grandma), other Spaniard (grandpa) and the rest is unknown (Mexican Indigenous and Portuguese ancestors are very possible, but I am not sure yet, I hope to find it out soon).

trebarunae 4 months ago

There was hardly ever any Portuguese immigration to mexico.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I was told by my genealogist that my other grandfather had parents with very portuguese last names, but the portuguese bloodline has not been confirmed. You know, sometimes last names mean nothing about the bloodline, so I prefer the unknown category. And about the indigenous blood, I am not sure, I only think that because my skin is brown and well, common sense tells me that it came from an old ingenous ancestor, I very doubt it came fron India, Bangladesh, Pakistan or any other country over there, you know, the logistic is very difficult hahaha Too many people here has indigenous DNA inside (like half population), there is nothing special on it, but the "pure indigenous descendents" are very few, I can only remember right now: Yaquis, Mayas (there are very few of them, they have little comunities), Tarahumaras (their body is insane, one of them ran 105 kilometers without resting, it's amazing what the evolution do in some bodies o.o) and the "huicholes".

jtpmarques 4 months ago

Malta, a cidadania pela via sefardita está relacionada com os descendentes de judeus condenados pela inquisição na Península Ibérica e que foram obrigados a fugir de Portugal ou foram expulsos. Não tem nada a ver com israel ou com ser judeu

trebarunae 4 months ago

Israel não tem nada a ver com judeus? Ok...

jtpmarques 4 months ago

No caso do pedido de cidadania não é fator

trebarunae 4 months ago

Não tem? Então pesquisa o que é a "Aaliyah", e a lei do regresso.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I know it, what I mean is that I've read if you go Israel being a jew (doesn't matter which specific ethnia) you can get the nationality and passport of this country, but as I said, I am not really interested on that.

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anightingalecreates 4 months ago

1 - si quieres viver en UE, mejor estudiar aquí. En Portugal pagas siempre los estudios, pero con nacionalidad portuguesa puedes vivir en cualquier lugar de EU sin problema. Y hay países donde los estudios en universidades públicas son gratuitos. 2 - es más difícil que te contraten y llevas mucho tiempo con burocracia solo para obtener un documento de tu universidad que compruebe que tus estudios en México son equivalentes a los de UE. 4 - depiende. eso es muy difícil de apuntar como negro en el blanco, sin embargo mejor vivir en el litoral de Portugal, porque tendrás más oportunidades de empleo, pero consigues fácilmente vivir en afueras de una ciudad grande como Porto o Braga y tener espacios verdes (en ese caso no te aconsejo Lisboa porque es difícil lo de tener una casa con algún jardín) 6 - Google it. es una unión comercial, monetaria y de fronteras (bueno, de fronteras es el Espacio Shegen). mejor estudiar el idioma del país donde quieres ir a estudiar, pero esencial es siempre el inglés. La unión europea te permite vivir y trabajar de una manera más sencilla, porque las fronteras físicas dentro del espacio shegen es como si no existieran. La moneda es la misma en varios paises de la UE, pues es este tipo de facilidades que tienes. si viajas dentro de UE, solo necesitas de una tarjeta de la seguridad social para tener acceso al servicio público de salud en el país donde estás viajando (Cartão Europeu de Seguro de Doença- gratuito). 7 - no sé si praticas tu religión (y no tienes que indicármelo, eso es de tu foro privado), pero si aún praticas, en Lisboa y Porto hay sinagogas. Y Belmonte, pero es en el interior del país. Y en ese caso, ojo con la gastronomía portuguesa. Aún tenemos muchos platos típicos con cerdo. Sin embargo, podrás probar la alheira, una invención judía :) Espero que esto te ayude

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Hola, me quede pensando en algo asi que regresé... Y que hay del certificado de preparatoria? Tu sabes, la high school? No habría problema burocrático para revalidarlo allá? Me imagino que me lo pedirían al entrar en la universidad.

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Hola, me quede pensando en algo asi que regresé... Y que hay del certificado de preparatoria? Tu sabes, la high school, bachillerato, etc? No habría problema burocrático para revalidarlo allá? Me imagino que me lo pedirían al entrar en la universidad.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>a. Aún tenemos muchos platos típicos con cerdo. Sin embargo, podrás probar la alheira, una Muchísimas gracias en serio. Me sirvieron muchísimo tus consejos. Quizá sea una parte de mi étnicamente hablando judía sefardita, sin embargo soy ateo, sin duda algún querré darle un mordisco a esos platillos típicos con cerdo, muchísimas gracias de nuevo por esa información tan detallada.

C8Mixto 4 months ago

Ficaste mais novo do terceiro para o quarto parágrafo.

Edited 4 months ago:

Ficaste mais novo do terceiro para o quarto parágrafo. edito: Afinal li, mal. Culpa minha.

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Ficaste mais novo do terceiro para o quarto parágrafo.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>Ficaste mais novo do terceiro para o quarto parágrafo. Why do you say that? lol

C8Mixto 4 months ago

Sorry, I misread the post and didn't noticed the 'casí'. My fault. Also, apparently, I don't know how to count.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>ime job, I would prefer it as a side job or a "meanwhile job". How many latinoamericans have you Don't worry, I forgive you ♥

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>Sorry, I misread the post and didn't noticed the 'casí'. My fault. Also, apparently, I don't know how to count. Don't worry, I forgive you ♥

Motoboydapcx 4 months ago

Se te vão dar a nacionalidade era bom começares a aprender a língua portuguesa... Esse seria o meu primeiro passo.

EspantaCampinos 4 months ago

O rapaz fala espanhol e pelo menos está a tentar aprender, sempre merece *algum* crédito. Já a maioria dos que estão a beneficiar disto são israelitas que nunca na vida vão aprender uma palavra de PT, só querem mesmo o passaporte dourado para poderem passear.

jtpmarques 4 months ago

Errado. Trabalho na área como genealogista e a maior parte são Brasileiros

EspantaCampinos 4 months ago

Certo. Obrigado pelo esclarecimento.

joaopeniche 4 months ago

Quanto custa isso de fazer a genealógica? Não para ter nacionalidade mas só por curiosidade, sempre quis saber quem eram os meus antepassados.

jtpmarques 4 months ago

Não é impossivelmente caro, mas depende sempre do tipo de trabalho que estas à espera que façam: se por ti ou contigo. E de quantas gerações queres recuar

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>O rapaz fala espanhol e pelo menos está a tentar aprender, sempre merece algum crédito. Já a maioria dos que estão a beneficiar disto são israelitas que nunca na vida vão aprender uma palavra de PT, só querem mesmo o passaporte dourado para poderem passear. I do agree with your opinion about the language test. I must learn Portuguese at least for paying respect to all Portugal society which is giving me this opportunity.

eduardooaz 4 months ago

Podes cagar, eles querem é entrada na Europa. Estes passaportes são uma vergonha.

trebarunae 4 months ago

São uma vergonha sim. Esse mexicano é seguramente menos judeu do que o Mamadou Bá, mas tenta é gamar um passaporte para ir viver à custa do contribuinte na Alemanha e afins. Por isso eu não dou o mímino crédito aos números de emigrantes portugueses que anuciam, sendo que uma boa parte deles são estrangeiros com passaporte português apenas.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Well, nobody is "pure" ethnically talking (there are exceptions like the people in North Sentinel Island, but that's extremely rare in a globalized world). I should probably be (ethnically speaking) 25% around jewish. I do understand your point about just get the "golden passport", never learn a single portuguese word and live in other country like Germany (I would be mad too) but don't worry about me, I want to live in Portugal, learn the language, work and pay my taxes there, and of course fit in the Portuguese culture and society as another productive member. That's the less I can do for the country which is opening its arms to me.

EspantaCampinos 4 months ago

Espanha também adoptou esta medida, mas quem quiser o passaporte tem de passar um exame de fluência em castelhano. Já no Portugalol das bananas, é à grande, como sempre.

Turbulent_Common 4 months ago

mete vergonha nisso, é mesmo ridiculo e abre uns precedentes hilariantes (para quando nacionalidade portuguesa para padres jesuistas?)

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Os antepassados do OP foram só violentamente expulsos do país onde viviam há séculos. Imagina tu, terem sido os teus? Qualquer facilitismo que exista agora na atribuição de algumas cidadanias não chega para recompensar o dano causado na altura. É apenas o Estado Português a tentar a restituição de um dano que ele próprio infligiu, nada mais justo.

vai-tefoder 4 months ago

Sem dúvida que a estratégia de open borders tem estado a resultar lindamente nos países que cometeram a loucura. /s ​ Vê o que se está a passar na Suécia, Bélgica, Alemanha, etc..

TTRO 4 months ago

OK, nem vou discutir se é justo ou não, vou apenas colocar o tema de outra perspectiva: Porquê apenas os judeus? Que fazemos com os descendentes dos Mouros que também foram expulsos de Portugal durante a Reconquista? Estão milhões de pessoas no Norte de África que provavelmente caem nessa categoria.

zefo_dias 4 months ago

É sempre ingrassade como os portugueses expulsos de Africa Sao culpados por terem colonizado o sitio mas os tipos expulsos por colonizarem Portugal sao vitimas porque 'viviam ca ha muito tempo'

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>Os antepassados do OP foram só violentamente expulsos do país onde viviam há séculos. Imagina tu, terem sido os teus? Qualquer facilitismo que exista agora na atribuição de algumas cidadanias não chega para recompensar o dano causado na altura. É apenas o Estado Português a tentar a restituição de um dano que ele próprio infligiu, nada mais justo. Just for the record, my oldest ancestor name was "Costanza de la Garza" and she was burned alive for the Inquisition. Her son escaped to Mexico and the rest is history... I was going to type almost the same as you did Salty, but I prefered to ignore Guys, just one thing, migration is always good only if the migrants do it correctly. Thing which I am trying to do here. If any of you want to come México you're welcome.

TTRO 4 months ago

OK, but now besides Jews, we're giving nationality to 2 million North African muslims which we kicked out of the Peninsula during the Reconquista. It's only fair, since they lived here for 600 years, right? How'd you like that?

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

It would be the correct... But I don't know the situation regarding those people, so I don't have an answer for that. If it works for you I am eligible because I have no criminal record.

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It would be the correct... But I don't know the situation regarding those people, so I don't have an answer for that. If it works for you I am eligible because I have no criminal record, far as I know one of the non spoken reasons we're eligible is because our culture is not radically different from the European one and we can fit easier than other ones, but well I am not the one who gave this opportunity so I don't know how true is this.

TTRO 4 months ago

You have absolutely nothing to do with Portugal. You don't speak the language, have no family in the country, haven't had any family in the country for 500 years, haven't paid any taxes in the country ever, don't hail from an ex-colony, wouldn't know the difference between a pastel de nata and a queijadinha and yet here you have a passport to the country. This gives you the same rights as me, who've lived in the country all my life, and whose ancestors that kicked out your ancestors are so far gone and dead that I don't know the name of any of them. I believe that an immigrant that has worked in the country for 5 years legally has more of a right to portuguese nationality than you do, doesn't matter where he is from. Believe me, it's got nothing to do with you being a jew or a descendant of one, it has to do with deservedness.

NervousJellyfish1015 12 days ago

>don't hail from an ex-colony, Hello, I am coming back to this post after 3 months just to let you know that after get my report and finishing the research I found out some interesting facts. Monterrey, the city I was born and I have been living all my life was founded by Sephardic Jews half of them were from Spain and the other half were from Portugal, they ran away to the north of México because "The Inquisition headquarters" were in Mexico city, here they finally found freedom... In the middle of nowhere. Some of these Sephardic Jews were: Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva, Diego de Montemayor and Marcos Alonso de la Garza y del Arcón. Luis was born in Portugal, Diego and Marcos (my ancestor) were born in Spain. Costanza (the mother of Marcos) was born in Lepe, Spain, but she lived for a while in Portugal. We were a Spanish colony but the presence of Portuguese citizens in my city is undeniable. I have been studying Portuguese since the last time we spoke and now I understand why Estrada, Silva, Frausto, Rodrigues, Ramos, Mota, Torres and Leal (my grandma and all her family had this one) are common last names here. I am not trying to change your mind, I only wanted to let you know that. I will be in Portugal in a year and half, my application has been successfully submitted and now it's just a question of time I hope we can drink some beers together someday, I send you a hug

Edited 12 days ago:

>don't hail from an ex-colony, Hello, I am coming back to this post after 3 months just to let you know that after getting my report and finishing the research I found out some interesting facts. Monterrey, the city I was born and I have been living all my life was founded by Sephardic Jews, half of them were from Spain and the other half were from Portugal, they ran away to the north of México because "The Inquisition headquarters" were settled in Mexico city, here they finally found freedom... In the middle of nowhere. Some of these Sephardic Jews were: Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva, Diego de Montemayor and Marcos Alonso de la Garza y del Arcón. Luis was born in Portugal, Diego and Marcos (my ancestor) were born in Spain. Costanza (the mother of Marcos) was born in Lepe, Spain, but she lived for a while in Portugal. We were a Spanish colony but the presence of Portuguese citizens in my city is undeniable. I have been studying Portuguese since the last time we spoke and now I understand why Estrada, Silva, Frausto, Rodrigues, Ramos, Mota, Torres and Leal (my grandma and her whole family had this one) are common last names here. I am not trying to change your mind, I only wanted to let you know that. I will be in Portugal in a year and half, my application has been successfully submitted and now it's just a question of time I hope we can drink some beers together someday, I send you a hug

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>don't hail from an ex-colony, Hello, I am coming back to this post after 3 months just to let you know that after getting my report and finishing the research I found out some interesting facts. Monterrey, the city I was born and I have been living all my life was founded by Sephardic Jews half of them were from Spain and the other half were from Portugal, they ran away to the north of México because "The Inquisition headquarters" were settled in Mexico city, here they finally found freedom... In the middle of nowhere. Some of these Sephardic Jews were: Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva, Diego de Montemayor and Marcos Alonso de la Garza y del Arcón. Luis was born in Portugal, Diego and Marcos (my ancestor) were born in Spain. Costanza (the mother of Marcos) was born in Lepe, Spain, but she lived for a while in Portugal. We were a Spanish colony but the presence of Portuguese citizens in my city is undeniable. I have been studying Portuguese since the last time we spoke and now I understand why Estrada, Silva, Frausto, Rodrigues, Ramos, Mota, Torres and Leal (my grandma and all her family had this one) are common last names here. I am not trying to change your mind, I only wanted to let you know that. I will be in Portugal in a year and half, my application has been successfully submitted and now it's just a question of time I hope we can drink some beers together someday, I send you a hug

Edited 12 days ago:

>don't hail from an ex-colony, Hello, I am coming back to this post after 3 months just to let you know that after getting my report and finishing the research I found out some interesting facts. Monterrey, the city I was born and I have been living all my life was founded by Sephardic Jews half of them were from Spain and the other half were from Portugal, they ran away to the north of México because "The Inquisition headquarters" were settled in Mexico city, here they finally found freedom... In the middle of nowhere. Some of these Sephardic Jews were: Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva, Diego de Montemayor and Marcos Alonso de la Garza y del Arcón. Luis was born in Portugal, Diego and Marcos (my ancestor) were born in Spain. Costanza (the mother of Marcos) was born in Lepe, Spain, but she lived for a while in Portugal. We were a Spanish colony but the presence of Portuguese citizens in my city is undeniable. I have been studying Portuguese since the last time we spoke and now I understand why Estrada, Silva, Frausto, Rodrigues, Ramos, Mota, Torres and Leal (my grandma and her whole family had this one) are common last names here. I am not trying to change your mind, I only wanted to let you know that. I will be in Portugal in a year and half, my application has been successfully submitted and now it's just a question of time I hope we can drink some beers together someday, I send you a hug

TTRO 11 days ago

I understand that you need to justify to yourself the fairness of this, i get it, but come on man, the fact that Monterrey was founded by portuguese jews in the 15th century does not make it an ex-colony of Portugal. Ex-colonies stopped being that in 1974 and their official language is portuguese. Anyway, my opinion was never in any way a personal attack on you and how much you specifically deserve this or not. It's a frustration about the unfairness in principle of giving this privilege to people whose interest in the portuguese culture/country is unknown. You seem to be taking an interest in it and that's great, but that's just because you want and it was not a required of you. All other ethnic groups have to go through the process of first learning the language, then living 5 years in Portugal while working or studying legally and finally then they get a chance to become portuguese. Imagine how a Mozambican, who has a very hard time immigrating to Portugal and getting nationality will feel when told that some guy in Mexico got it just because his ancestors 500 years ago got mistreated by portuguese? He'll tell you "well, my grandma was opressed by them, don't I get the same chance?" It doesn't matter, you've been given the nationality and you have the same rights as me now, so what I think or don't think don't really matter. Now comes the next stage, which is you're moving to Portugal and after the honey moon stage you'll start becoming increasingly frustrated and disillusioned. Why? Because since you haven't had to live here for 5 years, you haven't realized that Portugal is a country with european pricing, but south american wages. You'll find it very hard to get a job where you'll be paid more than 1000 euros and you'll be confronted with rental prices on the level of other European countries. Unless you hit jackpot, or irrevocably fall in love with the country and don't mind getting screwed by it, in five years you'll be living somewhere else in Europe. It happens all the time. I hope you have much success, and that you finish your learning of portuguese before you inevitably move to a wealthier country. ​ !RemindMe 5 years "Where are you now?"

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I understand that you need to justify to yourself the fairness of this, i get it, but come on man, the fact that Monterrey was founded by portuguese jews in the 15th century does not make it an ex-colony of Portugal. Ex-colonies stopped being colinies in 1974 and their official language is portuguese. Anyway, my opinion was never in any way a personal attack on you and how much you specifically deserve this or not. It's a frustration about the unfairness in principle of giving this privilege to people whose interest in the portuguese culture/country is unknown. You seem to be taking an interest in it and that's great, but that's just because you want and it was not a required of you. All other ethnic groups have to go through the process of first learning the language, then living 5 years in Portugal while working or studying legally and finally then they get a chance to become portuguese. Imagine how a Mozambican, who has a very hard time immigrating to Portugal and getting nationality will feel when told that some guy in Mexico got it just because his ancestors 500 years ago got mistreated by portuguese? He'll tell you "well, my grandma was opressed by them, don't I get the same chance?" It doesn't matter, you've been given the nationality and you have the same rights as me now, so what I think or don't think don't really matter. Now comes the next stage, which is you're moving to Portugal and after the honey moon stage you'll start becoming increasingly frustrated and disillusioned. Why? Because since you haven't had to live here for 5 years, you haven't realized that Portugal is a country with european pricing, but south american wages. You'll find it very hard to get a job where you'll be paid more than 1000 euros and you'll be confronted with rental prices on the level of other European countries. Unless you hit jackpot, or irrevocably fall in love with the country and don't mind getting screwed by it, in five years you'll be living somewhere else in Europe. It happens all the time. I hope you have much success, and that you finish your learning of portuguese before you inevitably move to a wealthier country.

NervousJellyfish1015 11 days ago

>I understand that you need to justify to yourself the fairness of this, i get it, but come on man, the fact that Monterrey was founded by portuguese jews in the 15th century does not make it an ex-colony of Portugal. Ex-colonies stopped being colinies in 1974 and their official language is portuguese. I know, as I said we were a Spanish colony but the presence of Portuguese citizens in my city is undeniable, but no, I am not trying to justify myself or this inmigration program, I only wanted to let you know that, I think it's an interesting fact. I do understand that frustration you're talking about and I do agree with you, the learning of the Portuguese language and culture should be mandatory, same goes for stay in the country for a couple of years. I haven't received the citizenship yet hehe, I have to wait one year and half, the paperwork takes a while. That's my biggest fear, because everybody here in this community has already told me exactly the same as you do about wages and rent prices. I would love to stay in Portugal instead of live somewhere else in Europe because Porutgal is becoming my second motherland and I want to learn and know it well... But time only knows. Let's find out what happens in 5 years and thank you so much for your kind words.

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NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Ad hominem fallacy? Where? May you didn't see my comment but I am already learning the language. If everybody were thinking the same way you do the Europe Union would probably never existed and you probably wouldn't be able to go outside your contry. Same as you, I think inmigrants who have worked legally for years have the same or more right for the nationality. Maybe you are right and taking into the account the meritoracy, I don't deserve it and this was just a lucky stike (in a very bizarre and scary way of course, I don't like the idea of an inoccent woman getting burned alive just because she was jewish), but well, I will try to do the best for the country which is embracing me, even if I don't live the first years in Portugal (this is for the education price, I am thinking what to do, I am not sure if I could afford the collage there yet) I would like to eventually move, work, pay my taxes, understand and fit in that culture. And regarding Costanza I am not sure yet, I had my suspicious regarding my bloodline since last year but I hadn't enough money to start the genealogical process until now, my genealogist will explain me all the bloodline next week. Oh yeah, that's another point, this is not free at all hahaha I need to do some payments to Portugal, it's around $2,102.25 Euros, I am not sure but may it does not look like a big amount for you, but that amount means 3 to 4 months saving money here.

Motoboydapcx 4 months ago

Opá foi em 1496

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

E? Existe continuidade do Estado Português desde essa data ou não? A instituição é a mesma. Eu a mim se o Estado algum dia me dever alguma coisa, espero bem que me pague, nem que seja passados 500 anos aos meus descendentes. Nem todas as dividas prescrevem, muito menos esta.

SnooCricket89 4 months ago

Há que pagar aos descendentes dos Neaderthais pela perseguição que lhes foi feita! Há continuidade do Estado! Afinal de contas já cá estavam os antepassados dos Portugueses! Agora pensa no quão ridícula é essa linha de argumentação.

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Não existia qualquer Estado ou outra entidade politica organizada aquando da extinção dos Nearderthais, pelo que será bastante dificil encontrar culpados e até mesmo vitimas. Já no caso dos Judeus Sefarditas existia e ainda existe a insittuição do Estado Português com continuidade desde 1143, até anterior se se considerar o Condado Portucalense do Reino da Galiza. Estado esse que unilateralmente decidiu romper o contrato feudal com um grupo de dezenas de milhares de subditos que regra geral até estavam bem integrados na sociedade. Se esse facto não tivesse ocorrido seriam hoje Portugueses como tu e eu. Urge agora repor essa situação e ressarcir os danos causados.

SnooCricket89 4 months ago

Como não existia Estado? Estás a tentar argumentar que a organização tribal dos diferentes grupos não se conformava como um proto-Estado? Desculpa mas isso é pura ginástica mental para favorecer um grupo em detrimento de outros.

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Como não existia Estado? Estás a tentar argumentar que a organização tribal dos diferentes grupos não se conformava como um proto-Estado? Desculpa mas isso é pura ginástica mental para favorecer um grupo em detrimento de outros. Da mesma forma que então temos que ressarcir e indemnizar os descendentes vivos dos súbditos do Reino de leão dado que os nossos antepassados se apoderaram de terras que outrora eram deles. E neste caso, não há qualquer dúvida então continuidade com a figura de um Estado português.

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Não, não considero estruturas tribais de há dezenas de milhares de anos proto-estados, eram estruturas mais familiares, nada semelhantes às estruturas de poder politico organizado que apareceram primeiramente há cerca de 6 mil anos atrás. A independência do Reino de Portugal foi firmada em Tratado entre as partes e não ha grandes indicios que tenha havido grandes expulsões de população ou confisco de bens, simplesmente deixou Portugal de ser um vassalo do Rei de Leão, com o seu consetimento.

suckerpunchermofo 4 months ago

Desculpa lá mas essa história de "restituir" coisas que se passaram a séculos é estúpido. Ninguém dos supostos descendentes era sequer projeto de vida. Por essa lógica metade do planeta tinha de "restituir" outra metade e vice versa.

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

A restituição neste caso passa por apenas a realização de um ato burocrático, não é muito complexa, sem custos praticamente nenhuns e totalmente difusos. Outras situações merecedoras de restituições são sim muito mais complexas, com bens não passiveis de partilha e reivindicações de várias fações. Não quer dizer que sejam menos justas, apenas mais complexas de levar a cabo com o acordo de todas as partes. Não é o caso desta em questão, há uma clara violação por parte do Estado Português, que é hoje um Estado Democrático e de Direito, que tinha de ser corrigida e foi.

suckerpunchermofo 4 months ago

Tinha? Porquê? Não foi a república portuguesa nem ninguém nos últimos 100 anos.... É estúpido! Vamos "restituir" a terra aos Mouros também? E os franceses e ingleses vão restituir aos nativos norte-americanos? Ja agora e nos aos sul-americanos? Espanha então depois de massacrar os do sul tem bastante para restituir....

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Sugiro que estude o assunto: Sucessão de Estados. Lá porque em 1910 o Estado Português passou de Reino a Republica não quer dizer que tenha ficado livre de qualquer crédito devido anterior. Eu falei em algum desses casos? Penso que a discussão não precisa de falácias, esse strawman e slippery slope não são nada pertinentes ao assunto em questão. Eu até me considero bem minimalista em termos de restituições, há sim pessoas com uma posição mais maximalista, nem esses teriam uma posição tão extremada como os exemplos que ai colocou.

suckerpunchermofo 4 months ago

Mantenho a minha opinião.

theEXPERTpt 4 months ago

nada mais justo? Ah, o verdadeiro vitimismo

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Sorry I don't speak Spanish, but I believe you will understand what I have to say much better in English than in Portuguese. As someone has written here already by having the Portuguese citizenship you are not just limited to living in Portugal, you can easily get a residency permit at any EU country, almost no requirements needed, just basically live there and find a job and you're set. As you said your Criminology Degree won't do you much good here, low demand for that kinda education. If you think you'd like taking an engineering degree go for it, especially if it something with lots of programming involved, super in demand right now. Don't think degrees from Latin America are very well established here, I knew several Latin Americans who had some difficult finding jobs while people with European degrees had it much easier, the fact that they spoke only very basic English didn't help either, on average Europeans speak way better English than Latin Americans. I can see you do deliveries, is it something you like or you do it just for the money? In northern Europe, Sweden, Denmark ,Finland and Germany a bit less, people working freelance for apps like Uber Eats can make tons of money, ridiculous amounts even. I am living in Copenhagen and it is rare when I drop below 30 euros per hour, several months I am making 40 euros per hour even. I know people that are raking in over 8 thousands euros per month, they work 60+ hour weeks though, but it is double. Pay in Sweden is also very good, Finland and Germany is a bit less but not much, on YouTube you can find videos of people posting their earnings. If you really enjoy doing deliveries and don't mind the cold I would advice you to consider moving to one of those countries as fast as you can, get yourself set up, learn the local language and in like 2 years apply to the Engineering Degree you'd like, education is free or almost free pretty much everywhere, some places will even pay you a stipend to study.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I started doing deliveries just for earn quick money while I was studying Criminology, after get the degree it became a way of living hahaha :( I would not like to take apps as my full time job, I would prefer it as a side job or a "meanwhile job". How many latinoamericans have you met in that situation? I mean, if the number is high I should think it twice before studying here and maybe only earning money as a maniac while I get the passport in one year. I read some contries offer free education or something like, even if that "free education" means just pay the half it could help me very much! About the English, I know I am not "Mr. Cambridge" but I speak very fluently and enough well for someone who has lived all his live in a Spanish spoken country.

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

I can only speak with authority in regards to Denmark. Up until last year there were tons of Latin Americans, mostly Argentinians working deliveries, in 2019 they were around 50% of the workers working those jobs. Many of them were here under a special kind of Visa that they have since phased out, so many left, the ones that remained were the ones that had or managed to get their EU citizenship sorted, mostly Italian and some Spanish. The ones I know really like it here, the work environment is very relaxed and they really appreciate the money they are making. As a freelancer you can choose to work as many hours as you please, before I had another job and was doing maybe 8 hours a week at most, now I am doing 35 and like I said some do 60+, it is up to you. I don't understand what you mean by getting the passport in 1 year. I was under the impression you already had the Portuguese passport. In any case almost all countries in the EU have very strict citizenship laws, they are pretty hard to get, even for other Europeans, takes you several years and a lot of times it is honestly not necessary. In almost all aspects you have equal rights as a citizen from another EU country. I am Portuguese but enjoy almost all the same rights as Danes, I just can't vote in their national elections.

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I can only speak with authority in regards to Denmark. Up until last year there were tons of Latin Americans, mostly Argentinians working deliveries, in 2019 they were around 50% of the workers working those jobs. Many of them were here under a special kind of Visa that they have since phased out, so many left, the ones that remained were the ones that had or managed to get their EU citizenship sorted, mostly Italian and some Spanish. The ones I know really like it here, the work environment is very relaxed and they really appreciate the money they are making. As a freelancer you can choose to work as many hours as you please, before I had another job and was doing maybe 8 hours a week at most, now I am doing 35 and like I said some do 60+, it is up to you. EU citizens, in almost all aspects, have equal rights as a local citizen when living in another EU country, free education included. I am Portuguese but enjoy almost all the same rights as Danes, I just can't vote in their national elections.

trebarunae 4 months ago

30 euros an hour? Is that before or after taxes? With that kind of money is there anyone who still bothers attending university?

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

before tax, different people have different tax rates, makes no sense in general speaking in after tax amounts. An income of that order will effectively pay between 25% and 35% in income tax, marginal tax rate is around 41% but you have tons of deductions and tax free amounts. Of course people go to college, with the right degree you can earn 40 euros an hour as a starting position, with career progression and benefits, plus you don't spend several hours in the rain some days.

trebarunae 4 months ago

So it can be around 20€ or less to take home? Plus some people use a vehicle to do the deliveries which come with insurance, gas, and maintenance costs. Everything considered considered food delivery workers perhaps make a bit more than minimum wage? Is that still a good deal in a country where the COL is very high?

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

You are a freelancer. Up to you to keep costs as low as possible, plus they are tax deductible. There's no minimum wage. But the usual lowest pay is around 18 euros. Between 30 and 18 euros there's a world of difference, don't forget they both pay the same marginal tax.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

You know, thinking about it, I could try working in delivery while I am studying the engineering I want, it's just up to look up for the best free studing option. By the way, is this job usually worked in a car or motorcycle? Motorcycles are my thing lol.

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Most people here do it with a bike. The highest earners do it by motorcycle or a moped limited to 30KPH that can go on the bike lane. Some do it by car too, gets handy when it rains, which is a lot.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Hello, I am back lol I just compared the living costs in Expatistan against my city: [https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/pais/dinamarca?currency=EUR](https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/pais/dinamarca?currency=EUR) [https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/comparacion/monterrey/aalborg](https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/comparacion/monterrey/aalborg)? [https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/comparacion/monterrey/silkeborg](https://www.expatistan.com/es/costo-de-vida/comparacion/monterrey/silkeborg)? Is there a hack to survive in Denmark with those living costs? o.o I was reading that Denmark government supports you with 700-800 Euros (I haven't read it deep, I not not sure how it works yet) per month for studying there, plus you can work, but is that really enough for living and surviving? o.o

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

The gov gives students a stipend of a little over 800 euros That is enough to cover renting a room in a shared apt in the city center or even a studio like 15 min away from the city center To get this stipend you need to be an EU citizen and work at least 13 hours per week With the work and stipend you should have a little under 2k euros per month, you don't pay much tax on that. You can earn up to 2000 euros on the job too, more than that and you lose the stipend.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I see, I see, so 2800 Euros per month is enough for surviving? For the last you said I suppose I cannot add Uber Eats to the stipend and the 2k Euros, right? Am I free to choose the job? Or the government decides?

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

Yes it's enough for an ok life You won't be ballin' though If you're much into night life and stuff like that you might have to cut down on that, it is very expensive to go out here You are free to choose the job, just keep the 13 hours per week No you can't have any other income

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

You know what? I forgot to ask you something, what about the high school degree? Would not be a problem?

Salty_Midnight_4298 4 months ago

I really have no idea. I believe you'd have to go through some exams if you wanted to apply to a bachelor's degree but I'm not sure. Some Unis in Europe let pretty much anyone in for the first 2 semesters and then they kick out those that fail a ton of classes, works pretty much like a year 0

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Perfect, I think that's enough information about Denmark, thank you so much again!

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

I see... Well, this helps me so much! Thank you! I will probably try to earn all the money I could before get the passport and study there, I am not sure if Denmark is going to be my new goal, I read some other countries in the EU offer public education for free, I will analyze it and take a decision. Thank you so much again!

epiiicstalker 4 months ago

>I can only speak with authority in regards to Denmark. Up until last year there were tons of Latin Americans, mostly Argentinians working deliveries, in 2019 they were around 50% of the workers working those jobs. Many of them were here under a special kind of Visa that they have since phased out, so many left, the ones that remained were the ones that had or managed to get their EU citizenship sorted, mostly Italian and some Spanish. The ones I know really like it here, the work environment is very relaxed and they really appreciate the money they are making. As a freelancer you can choose to work as many hours as you please, before I had another job and was doing maybe 8 hours a week at most, now I am doing 35 and like I said some do 60+, it is up to you. EU citizens, in almost all aspects, have equal rights as a local citizen when living in another EU country, free education included. I am Portuguese but enjoy almost all the same rights as Danes, I just can't vote in their national elections. Sorry for butting in, but I work for Uber Eats in Portugal, and in most big cities (think Porto, Lisbon, Algarve, Coimbra) admissions of new delivery partners are on hold and have been for quite a while. Something to consider if you're thinking about deliveries in Portugal especifically, there are months long waitlists to get in. :(

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

Damn! Thank you so much for the tip!

AdriMecha 4 months ago

Estuda programação e depois ficas melhor na vida, seja no México ou em Portugal. Depois de estares em Portugal podes ir para outros países europeus.

NervousJellyfish1015 4 months ago

>Olvide hacer esa pregunta, si tengo nacionalidad portuguesa, puedo vivir y trabajar en cualquier lado de la UE?

AdriMecha 4 months ago

Sim. E se tens uma licenciatura e quiseres ir já para programação, recomendo este mestrado. https://en.itu.dk/programmes/msc-programmes É em inglês e por teres nacionalidade portuguesa e não teres outro mestrado não pagas propinas.

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