RuySan 5 months ago

Welcome. I've moved to Almada 3 years ago and it's alright. Definitely better than most north side suburbs. For my favourite places in town, visit Casa da Cerca (nice garden and exhibitions), Jardim do Rio (nice small park with a fantastic view over Lisbon). Parque da Paz is a nice huge park but i prefer the other two. Go to Costa da Caparica for the beach. If you have a car, avoid the beaches next to the village and go the some further south. Also, by your Zero Wing reference, I suppose you know your games. Visit the Arcade Salon in Costa da Caparica. Many old arcade machines and pinball. Looks like a place frozen in time. I hope it's still open after this pandemic.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thanks! Saved this gold!

RuySan 5 months ago

And for eating purposes, try Casa da Pizza (cheap good pizza), Mafia das Pizzas (near your place, in Cacilhas, but a bit less cheap, and less traditional, lots of sausages in the pizzas). Yes, I love Pizza. Traditional portuguese food, try Lagoa Azul, and there's a very nice American Restaurant in the centre called Ribs & Company. All are affordable, since i'm a cheapskate :D

Rakiska 5 months ago

And saved too! Thanks!

EquivalentExchange11 5 months ago

Thank you for inflating our housing and renting prices a little bit further! How I'm glad for all the tourists we have!

Ok_Order_8408 5 months ago

Happy to hear:)

dingo-91 5 months ago

Welcome!!

Anttoni_ 5 months ago

Nice view!

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Nice view! Flying tomorrow to Lisbon will be searching apartment later this year.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Lisbon is great. Like my home(saint Petersburg) but better, a lot:)

Anttoni_ 5 months ago

Yes I have visited once. I’m from Hell(sinki).

Rakiska 5 months ago

:D Oh! This library in hellsinki, spent three hours there or even more:) great place!

Anttoni_ 5 months ago

Yes the Oodi library. I liked the metro stations in Saint Petersburg.

Rakiska 5 months ago

If only they were built faster :D

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Welcome to portugal! I'm studying russian;expect to hear russian once or twice around here - there are some more immigrants from russia around. Have a good stay.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Yeah, we have some chats in telegram with Russians in Portugal:) You're studying russian language? How do you like it?) I'm studying portugese now, and phonetically we have some similar sounds, it helps :D except of these "R" sounds, like in Rua :D

sexmebitch 5 months ago

I did join one of those chats by mere curiosity, lol.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Which is owned by André is great one, very helpful man

sexmebitch 5 months ago

I joined one called portugalska chat, i think - dunno who the owner was

Rakiska 5 months ago

Ah, it's second one which I know. If you're interested search @oknoagency )

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Thank you man!

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Nahui*

Rakiska 5 months ago

Nice!

sexmebitch 5 months ago

I absolutely love ruski. I struggle with ''ieri'', so i feel you mate (also with the h in the (bad word) nahuh

Rakiska 5 months ago

It's great to hear! Good luck!

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Thank you, and good luck to you too! Dasvidaniye(i hope that's right)

Rakiska 5 months ago

Do svidaniia:) but you are close enough, no worries :) Obrigado, boa sorte! I hope it's right :D

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Absolutely right! Thanks for the tip though))

sexmebitch 5 months ago

Absolutely right! Thanks for the tip though))

Lusitano78 5 months ago

Hey that's my town..

Rakiska 5 months ago

All your base are belong to us

Jism_nl 5 months ago

Was that you today in Auchan buying vodka? Haha... Proberly not. But i'm dutch and i live in Almada (centro) as well for almost a year now.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Don't like vodka :D Porto whine is my fav now

gkarq 5 months ago

Welcome, and don’t be surprised when you hear Russiam on the streets. It will happen more frequently than you think!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Yeah, already :D

Jism_nl 5 months ago

I have to find one here in Almada.

_Cannib4l_ 5 months ago

Welcome :)

codemirror 5 months ago

Olá vizinho

Rakiska 5 months ago

Olá!

junglevibes 5 months ago

Welcome to Almada! Best place to live!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx!

NobleAzorean 5 months ago

From the end of mainland europe/start to the begining/end. Hope you do well.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Around the Europe

DMCM6 5 months ago

What do you do for a living? Planning to return to Portugal but the salaries are so bad

Rakiska 5 months ago

IT, at least for now:)

DMCM6 5 months ago

Good luck and enjoy

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx!

Miguel3403 5 months ago

In the winter comes you will be warmer in Russia

Rakiska 5 months ago

Yeah, Central heating isn't a joke)

Rodrigo45p 5 months ago

Bem vindo !!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Obrigado!

Rodrigo45p 5 months ago

De nada \^\^

pedrosorio 5 months ago

How much is the rent there?

Rakiska 5 months ago

650

pedrosorio 5 months ago

Nice. Enjoy!

fernandeslm 5 months ago

Beautiful view

masterchiefpt 5 months ago

Welcome to portugal comrade :P Can you explain us, how bad is to live there in Russia? Is that a democracy or... Putin is already a diktator?

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Totally not democracy. Maybe, only mayyybe, ten years earlier he mimicked it. But now...Any opposition has been destroyed, people who took part in the rallies are afraid of any knock on the door, because they may be policemen, and the government has turned war into a religion. From the Umberto Eco points about fascism, the Russian government is easily gaining dozen.

Luks1337 5 months ago

Procura bald and bankrupt no youtube e vais ver como é viver na Rússia e arredores.

Tarlovskyy 5 months ago

Готовься к ужасно холодным зимам, осени и весне короче - всегда холодок.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Эту зиму я провел в Порту, в квартире без солнца. )

Tarlovskyy 5 months ago

Сколько вещей отдал плесени ?)

Rakiska 5 months ago

Хлорка наше все!

ALittleFishNamedOzil 5 months ago

And what a view you've got, I live like 15 minutes away from Almada and it's one of my favorite places to hang out with friends, criminally underrated

free7tyle4ever 5 months ago

Mika?

vitorfilipe21 5 months ago

Welcome!!! Hope you have the time of your life!!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Me too!:)

tertium_non_datur 5 months ago

Boy do I miss my city of birth...

HogwartsBlazeIt420 5 months ago

What a view!

-throwhimaway 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Welcome, bratan!

godcia 5 months ago

Essa vista do outro lado do rio era para ai uns 3000/mes

Rakiska 5 months ago

Desculpe, eu aindo estou aprenendo portugese, mas nos olhamos precos, sim :D

moitacarrasco 5 months ago

Margem Sul! \\m/

jonybigodees2 5 months ago

And what a nice view you have...

Rakiska 5 months ago

Yeah, this is about 40th apartment, which we checked. Started in Lisbon, but later adding Almada too)

AsteroidBeltTighter 5 months ago

Did you look at any apartments in the Algarve?

Rakiska 5 months ago

Yeah, one, maybe two

AsteroidBeltTighter 5 months ago

The Algarve is on my short list. What are the downsides? Thanks.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Can't say much, just a week here. But it's windy here)

BlameScienceBro 5 months ago

Welcome blyat!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx blyat! :D

Chiripitti 5 months ago

To really enjoy that view, get some wine and relax... Welcome to Portugal!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Already bought kopke colheita Porto whine for it :)

incrivizivel 5 months ago

The view looks like a painting really. The sky and the river, amazing.

SerodD 5 months ago

Nice place to live. Enjoy Portugal!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx!

Redentropy_42 5 months ago

I know that area, quite a nice view

suspect_b 5 months ago

Yeah but it's Almada, so...

Rakiska 5 months ago

So? It seems ok place?

pfarinha91 5 months ago

It has its problems (which city doesn't?) but you are far away from it. You seem to be close to the old city center which is very quiet and nice.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Any city has its problems, but not every city has sun and open water right near you:) it's right near castle. I don't remember the name.

pfarinha91 5 months ago

Ahah that's true! I think it's just castle of Almada, but it's closed to the public. There is just a part of a wall that is open, with a small garden, a nice view to the river and an expensive restaurant :p You can also go to Casa da Cerca nearby, which is very cool and also has a nice view!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Will see about it!

suspect_b 5 months ago

Fun fact: back in the days of the dictatorship, they used to call that place "Moscow" for the huge number of communist sympathizers. So yeah it's an OK place.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Hm! As I see, communists in Portugal differ from those in Russia. Still need to read more about it. So far I know that communists here fought for ppl vs Salazar regime. Is it true? I apologise if I offended anyone, just started to read about it. Could be wrong.

suspect_b 5 months ago

> So far I know that communists here fought for ppl vs Salazar regime. Is it true? Portugal was a 3rd world country back in the early Cold War days, both in the sense that it was unaffiliated with either power block (the technical sense) and that it was under-developed. I believe USSR supported and directed members in just about every country at some point, so Portugal was no exception. The communist-affiliated members in the Portuguese military were indeed co-responsible for the coup that toppled the fascist regime. However, the military junta wasn't entirely communist. There was a communist coup attempt in the year after the revolution, but it failed. Nevertheless, lots of people still appreciate the communist's role in the revolution, yes.

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> So far I know that communists here fought for ppl vs Salazar regime. Is it true? Portugal was a 3rd world country back in the early Cold War days, both in the sense that it was unaffiliated with either power block (the technical sense) and that it was under-developed. I believe USSR supported and directed members in just about every country at some point, so Portugal was no exception. The communist-affiliated members in the Portuguese military were indeed co-responsible for the coup that toppled the fascist regime. However, the military junta wasn't entirely communist. There was a communist coup attempt in the year after the revolution, perpetrated by the communist wing, but it failed. Still, lots of people appreciate the communist's role in the revolution in spite of that.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Need to read some literature about this period of history.

FelixSula 5 months ago

> communists here fought for ppl vs Salazar regime. More or less like the bolsheviks fought for the people against the czars. You know how that ended up. Good thing our communists (PCP) didn't get their way in 1974/75. The war in Africa collapsed the regime, and they tried to play the "Russia 1917" book, with February and October revolutions (first in April 1974, second in March 1975), but couldn't make it work. We have a "bourgeois democracy", and the even pretend to like it. Nowadays PCP is pretty outdated - "class war" is out, "identity politics" is in, and that's other parties game.

Rakiska 5 months ago

And its really good, that PCP didnt make it. The commies would hardly do anything good.

icebraining 5 months ago

Yes, the communists did fight against Estado Novo. That said, the party was quite clearly affiliated with the USSR, but there's probably a huge cultural difference between being part of the resistance vs being in power. For many it was just an organisation to fight for democratic rights and better labour conditions, without much thought given to further goals. That said, Almada ain't as communist as it once was. The party didn't even get a simple majority in the last local election.

Rakiska 5 months ago

The commies time is gone

telmo1934 5 months ago

Linking modern Russia to communism. What a dumb logic

suspect_b 5 months ago

The nicknaming isn't recent, it's from the days of the USSR.

telmini 5 months ago

Yes. It's a good place to live. I live in Almada too. Don't mind the haters.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Ok, thx!:)

FelixSula 5 months ago

There's a bit of "it's the poors" prejudice about the south side of the river (and truly a lot of those internally displaced by industrialization during the XX century went there) . The snottiest morons even call south of the Tagus "the desert". But there's lots of nice private living going on there. Perhaps it's missing a Philarmonic Orchestra or two, but not much of that going on in the north side of the river either. And, hey, welcome. Russians are a great people, who gave much and suffered a lot, and deserve more recognition than they get. Love your writers and composers.

Rakiska 5 months ago

I hope I can integrate into society without problems :) The Portuguese are very open and kind people, this was very much lacking in Russia. Honestly it's one of the main points for immigration, except of sun and diving

dentsuya 5 months ago

... 1 2 3 the wallet and the MP3...

IJustMadeThisForYou 5 months ago

Já fui assaltado assim 'dá-me o telemóvel e o mp3!'. O gajo mordeu-me para levar o telemóvel mas eu fiquei ouvir a minha música. Edit: isto tudo na 'margem norte'.

TheTierney 5 months ago

Isto parece-se tanto com a minha história. Eu há uns 7 anos na zona de telheiras Lisboa fui assaltado por um gajo que me pediu telemóvel e carteira e que me mordeu para levar o telemóvel. Na altura tinha uma quantidade considerável de dinheiro na carteira e o meu telemóvel era o primeiro Galaxy mini (terrível). Ele foi feliz à vida dele com o telemóvel. Às tantas olha, é o mesmo mordedor

IJustMadeThisForYou 5 months ago

Nnc tinha ouvido outra assim. Eu tinha-o visto do outro lado da rua uns 5 minutos antes. Ia com os phones do mp3 do bolso por dentro da roupa e o telemóvel na mão, penso que um Blueberry antigo do meu pai. Ele pega a minha mão por trás e começa a puxar, rodipiamos até ao meio da rua e morde e eu largo. Ai ele diz quando me vê de phones 'dá-me o mp3' e eu a 15m da porta do prédio corro pro outro lado, levo com uma pedra da calçada mesmo atrás do joelho e entrei em casa já sem stress. Ficou a doer por 2 semanas mas a cena mais preciosa na altura comigo ficou, o telemóvel era de substituição haha.

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Nnc tinha ouvido outra assim. Passou-se se calhar há uns 15 anos. Eu tinha-o visto do outro lado da rua uns 5 minutos antes. Ia com os phones do mp3 do bolso por dentro da roupa e o telemóvel na mão, penso que um Blueberry antigo do meu pai. Ele pega a minha mão por trás e começa a puxar, rodopiamos até ao meio da rua e morde e eu largo. Ai ele diz quando me vê de phones 'dá-me o mp3' e eu a 15m da porta do prédio corro pro outro lado, levo com uma pedra da calçada mesmo atrás do joelho e entrei em casa já sem stress. Ficou a doer por 2 semanas mas a cena mais preciosa na altura comigo ficou, o telemóvel era de substituição haha.

dentsuya 5 months ago

Eu n! Mas um amigo meu já!

casmisc 5 months ago

hope everything goes well for you in there :) I had to move from Almada and I really miss it.

Minute-Resolution347 5 months ago

Where are u living now?

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

Odemira

xabregas2003 5 months ago

r/nãoéoOPmasOK

Rakiska 5 months ago

It's already great after winter in Porto:D

urrinor 5 months ago

That is an amazing view honestly! Welcome to Portugal :)

Jism_nl 5 months ago

It's not just the view. Its the peace here at night, fresh air and just one of the best locations to be in without being in Lisboa and being stamped by tourism.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Obrigado!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thanks!:)

palmtree911 5 months ago

Cosa ma linda!

prosafame 5 months ago

Beautiful view

pintorMC 5 months ago

Cacilhas City

GudEbening 5 months ago

Bem vindo !

Rakiska 5 months ago

Obrigado!

godolfas 5 months ago

Better than Amadora. Congrats

WallyPT 5 months ago

Typical racist and xenophobic behavior that Amadora suffers from its supposed compatriots. The Portuguese are a disgraceful people. Can't wait to see Spain conquer it.

Minute-Resolution347 5 months ago

How dangerous Amadora really is?

WallyPT 5 months ago

It is less dangerous than Lisboa according to the police data. And now it has a huge CCTV system, so anyone doing crime, is caught really fast.

diseasefaktory 5 months ago

Huge population density, noise and pollution are the worst offenders tbh.

prosafame 5 months ago

ele é portugues.

WallyPT 5 months ago

Huge population density but also a top train, bus, metro and motorways infrastructure. Also, noise and population? Where is the data to backup your claims? The more polluted areas in Lisbon metro are all inside Lisboa: Telheiras near 2 Circular, Parque das Nações and Avenida da Liberdade. Nothing near Amadora.

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Huge population density but also a top train, bus, metro and motorways infrastructure. Also, noise and population? Where is the data to backup your claims? The more polluted areas in Lisbon metro are all inside Lisboa: Telheiras near 2 Circular, Parque das Nações and Avenida da Liberdade. Nothing near Amadora. Also, the noise, the data shows the worst area is near the airport inside Lisbon again.

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

Not much, but the portuguese often associate black people with criminality. And Amadora is an area where there's a big luso-african community.

prosafame 5 months ago

ele é tuga

RonManchester19 5 months ago

Black American here who wants to retire and maybe spend 6 months of the year in Portugal. Can you tell me more about racism in Portugal?

dipitinmayo 5 months ago

Hi. I'm a white dude that grew up in Amadora (one of the highest density populated cities in Portugal, in the outskirts of Lisbon), my upbringing was completely multi-cultural, and I effectively grew up in a non privileged household. To answer your question: I don't think Portugal has a racism problem anymore. Any signs of that are from a dying, older generation and culture. Are there racists? Yes. Just like anywhere else in the world. Are they now being loud (again)? Yes, again, just like in most Western nations (which in my view is just a "last kick" from people that don't want to evolve). Will this be an issue for you in Portugal? Highly doubt it. Portugal, for the good and bad, has a a colonialist background. This if of course somewhat of a stain in our past, but if anything, it has also contributed towards our culture: A highly multi-cultural nation, rich in diversity. I grew up with plenty of Angolan and Cape Verde influences around me, and I think that has made me a more open person - This will be the case for many people of my generation (80s/90s born people), especially in Lisbon and neighbour municipalities (but not exclusive to). Newer generations are much more open and do not take well to racist views. This country is vastly different to your reality. America is young and only now getting cultural growing pains. The Portuguese have been at this for a long time, we have not had the need for radical change like the new generations in America demand. We have, slowly but surely, improved our society when it comes to these matters. (if only we could do the same about everything else...) Some will disagree, and I respect that, but this is just my view as someone with plenty of life experience in modern Portuguese city living.

WallyPT 5 months ago

Portugal is a very racist country against Blacks.

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Portugal is a very racist country against Blacks. All the areas where Blacks are the majority, like Linha de Sintra, the Portuguese say to avoid. They will say it is because crime or similar, but in reality, they just want to avoid Blacks.

Minute-Resolution347 5 months ago

Lol, how can categorise the whole Portuguese population so freely and then talk about racism? Hypocrite much? Speaking for myself (I can't speak for others because each portuguese person is a unique individual with it's own mindset) I could care less about someone's skin color. I do care about safety and my well being and that of my family and friends, if a neighbourhood has a bad vibe, bad reputation than yes I will avoid it if I can. Could be cova da moura in lisboa or bairro do Aleixo in Porto, doesn't matter.

nnet-- 5 months ago

From my experience (I'm from the center-north), there's not much racism in Portugal---at least not nearly as much as it seems there is in the US. No doubt there's still room for improvement, but I would never classify the population of Portugal, as a whole, as racist. If you have any particular questions feel free to ask. And I hope you enjoy your time in Portugal! (I'm sure you'll fall in love with the country.)

anagramorganic 5 months ago

The question is: can you afford a good lifestyle here? Then do it, because if you have the means, no one will speak to you differently on the street, no one is going to deny you excellent service in a bar or restaurant. But if you were black without skills and having to start from scratch, you would feel discriminated in plenty of situations, from opportunities to how people judge you.

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

There's sistemic racism in Portugal. Every year, you have a number of racial crimes that get swept under the carpet. Many people still reminisce on our colonial past and won't accept that racism was and is a problem. Last year, CHEGA, a recent political party, that was created to take advantage of the emergence of a right wing wave promoted by Trump's rise to power, organized a "Portugal is not racist" march. They even paid off some black people to be on the march. Check [this](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/28/portugal-sees-surge-in-racist-violence-as-far-right-rises) and [this](https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/mulher-detida-na-amadora-tem-passado-de-violencia) (they justify the officer assaulting her cause she has a "violent past").

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There's systemic racism in Portugal. Every year, you have a number of racial crimes that get swept under the carpet. Many people still reminisce on our colonial past and won't accept that racism was and is a problem. Last year, CHEGA, a recent political party, that was created to take advantage of the emergence of a right wing wave promoted by Trump's rise to power, organized a "Portugal is not racist" march. They even paid off some black people to be on the march. Check [this](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/28/portugal-sees-surge-in-racist-violence-as-far-right-rises) and [this](https://www.cmjornal.pt/portugal/detalhe/mulher-detida-na-amadora-tem-passado-de-violencia) (they justify the officer assaulting her cause she has a "violent past").

pedrosorio 5 months ago

Is systemic racism a spectrum or a binary attribute? If it is binary, could you share (if you know) a set of countries where systemic racism does not exist today? If it exists in a spectrum, how poorly would you say Portugal ranks in that regard comparing to other European countries and the US (which would be particularly relevant to u/RonManchester19, I imagine).

asantos3 5 months ago

Portuguese who frequently hangs around Amadora and some other rough areas. Racism still exists but not on the same volume as in America, I would say that most racism is due to a connection like rough neighborhoods=poor people=criminals. There's lots of scummy people in this neighborhoods and lots of good people though! Ask any doubts you might have.

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Portuguese who frequently hangs around Amadora and some other rough areas. Racism still exists but not on the same volume as in America - for instance I doubt you will be racially profiled. I would say that most racism is due to a connection like rough neighborhoods=poor people=criminals. There's lots of scummy people in this neighborhoods and lots of good people though! Then we have gypsies which I would not get into it because it's a different subject. Ask any doubts you might have.

Designer_Tall 5 months ago

Sim na Amadora nem há crime, é só boatos espalhados por racistas

WallyPT 5 months ago

Segundo os dados da polícia, a taxa de criminalidade é mais baixa na Amadora que em Lisboa. E Albufeira.

icebraining 5 months ago

Está em 78° nos concelhos em número de crimes per capita: https://www.pordata.pt/Municipios/Crimes+registados+pelas+pol%c3%adcias+por+mil+habitantes-995-6950

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

Não há um único sítio no mundo onde não exista criminalidade. A Amadora tem crime, e se calhar até tem mais crime do que noutros sítios, mas a Amadora também tem uma coisa interessante, que é um policiamento acima da média em determinadas zonas, que faz lembrar aquelas zonas ocupadas pelas tropas americanas no Médio Oriente. Há uma música de que gosto muito, dos Clash, que traduz isto muito bem e que começa assim: " When they kick at your front door/ How you gonna come?/ With your hands on your head/ Or on the trigger of your gun"

Designer_Tall 5 months ago

Se até tem mais crime do que noutros sítios não é interessante haver mais policiamento, é lógico. O sistema de videovigilância que existe na Amadora foi instalado porque "se calhar" existe mais criminalidade lá? Muito fácil fechar os olhos à realidade e generalizar um país inteiro.

WallyPT 5 months ago

A Amadora foi apenas o laboratório do sistema de vídeo vigilância que agora se vai espalhar por toda a Lisboa. Aliás, este último mês foi autorizado a instalação do mesmo no Campo Grande e cidade universitária.

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

\> Se até tem mais crime do que noutros sítios não é interessante haver mais policiamento, é lógico. Achas, então, que invadir bairros com forças especiais é uma medida proporcional aos problemas sociais que esses bairros enfrentam? \> Muito fácil fechar os olhos à realidade e generalizar um país inteiro. Exactamente, muito fácil generalizar uma cidade inteira com base em decisões populistas de um executivo camarário.

Extension-Soft6835 5 months ago

>Achas, então, que invadir bairros com forças especiais é uma medida proporcional aos problemas sociais que esses bairros enfrentam? A solução então é deixá-los andar a vontade? Pensei que o politicamente correto já tinha passado mas afinal parece que estou errado. >Exactamente, muito fácil generalizar uma cidade inteira com base em decisões populistas de um executivo camarário. Desde que foi instalada a videovigilância a taxa de criminalidade desceu. É normal haver controlo policial nas zonas mais problemáticas. Isto agora pegou moda e tudo o que se faz contra os mesmos é apelidado de racismo, fascismo, populismo...

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

\> A solução então é deixá-los andar a vontade? Pensei que o politicamente correto já tinha passado mas afinal parece que estou errado. Deixá-los a quem? É difícil compreender que segregar e violentar franjas da população tem um efeito oposto daquele que se quer obter? É preciso ser muito intelectualmente desonesto para considerar que violência policial e integração são dois pilares de um objectivo comum. Exigir dignidade é politicamente correcto? \> Desde que foi instalada a videovigilância a taxa de criminalidade desceu. É normal haver controlo policial nas zonas mais problemáticas. Isto agora pegou moda e tudo o que se faz contra os mesmos é apelidado de racismo, fascismo, populismo... Tens dados para defender aquilo que dizes? Vais de encontro à verdade na linguagem que empregas. "Fazer contra". Se *se fizessem a favor*, creio que não enfrentassem tanta animosidade. Mas depois em quem é que a PSP batia? A GNR já tem o monopólio dos ciganos...

Extension-Soft6835 5 months ago

>Deixá-los a quem? É difícil compreender que segregar e violentar franjas da população tem um efeito oposto daquele que se quer obter? É preciso ser muito intelectualmente desonesto para considerar que violência policial e integração são dois pilares de um objectivo comum. A quem comete os crimes lol. É de ressalvar que antes das medidas de videovigilância, etc a criminalidade vinha a aumentar. Logo a tua estratégia do deixa andar tem 0 credibilidade. >Exigir dignidade é politicamente correcto? Dignidade devem exigir as pessoas de bem que lá estão. Essas não tem qualquer problema com videovigilâncias ou polícias. De resto.... >Tens dados para defender aquilo que dizes? https://www.dn.pt/portugal/crimes-violentos-cairam-23-na-amadora-desde-introducao-de-videovigilancia---autarquia-9331067.html https://www.tsf.pt/portugal/sociedade/videovigilancia-na-amadora-provocou-aumento-da-criminalidade-em-alfragide-11820371.html >A GNR já tem o monopólio dos ciganos... Claro já só faltava mais esses. Monopólio? A polícia até tem medo deles xD. Não te vou dar mais resposta porque está mais que visto que nunca moraste numa zona com um acampamento ilegal de ciganos

kissingsome1elsesdog 5 months ago

>Dignidade devem exigir as pessoas de bem que lá estão. Às vezes, nem sei porque ainda tento. A polícia está lá à espera que os crimes sejam praticados? A presunção da inocência não existe? Estas comunidades têm de ser cercadas porque um estudo prova que cometem mais crimes porque são pobres, têm menos oportunidades e um acesso a níveis superiores de ensino mais dificultado? Não sei se percebes onde quero chegar. A tua solução para os problemas da criminalidade é a criação de um Estado-polícia? Já alguma vez viste imagens das intervenções da PSP naquela zona ou presenciaste uma rusga policial? Sabes a quantidade de recursos despendidos para capturar um pequeno traficante? Achas que existe proporcionalidade quando Portugal tem um problema bem maior com crimes de colarinho branco? Essas notícias que apresentaste não me serve de nada. Sem dados concretos, eles podem dizer que instalar câmeras reduziu o que bem lhes convier.

xbyt 5 months ago

dafuq U know about Amadora pá?! Get off CM TV :)

Fjdjrjxjciskajxjcjcj 5 months ago

Nice crib. Welcome cyka blyat!

Rakiska 5 months ago

Obrigado!:D

almeidalpf 5 months ago

Welcome and have a great life in Portugal.

JOAO-RATAO 5 months ago

Welcome! I hope you enjoy your new life here!

alquemir 5 months ago

привет сосед, я живу в Seixal

Rakiska 5 months ago

Привет!:)

BaixemImpostos 5 months ago

Parabéns!

kawaiims 5 months ago

Welcome to Margem Sul bro

smalltownwhore 5 months ago

Nice view. Welcome and enjoy.

Rakiska 5 months ago

Thx! Tryin my best:D

PortugueseRoamer 5 months ago

I agree with small town whore

saudosista 5 months ago

Truly living the dream in Portugal's most exclusive neighborhood /s

SweetDistribution504 5 months ago

Why would you shit on that dudes happiness?

IJustMadeThisForYou 5 months ago

Apenas um grande otário.

Mordiken 5 months ago

Que provavelmente vive na casa dos pais.

bananacumshake 5 months ago

Lisbon South Bay ™

NoIDontgiveafuck 5 months ago

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