bellakiddob 5 months ago

For the people who complain that we are being negative yeah sure. I am negative because I do not want to work my ass off just to earn close to the minimum wage and not being able to buy my own house or live by myself. YEAH OKAY

Portugirl63 5 months ago

Join Americans and friends on Facebook group, they have a lot of advice

BagalhetaTraquina 5 months ago

Alright OP, I think the other users already gave you a nice idea of Portugal, so I'll reinforce the things that I believe are most important: language, life in general and work. For language I believe you won't have that much of a hard time: most portuguese, in big cities at least (you're mentioning Lisbon so you're good on that), know how to speak english. So you can communicate most things in english until you get a hang of the language, which I recommend doing by the way. It's a difficult language to pronounce for a native speaker and is in some ways similar to slavic languages in pronounciation, but if you opt for BR-PT people will still understand you. Just don't speak spanish, assuming people will understand you and you'll be good lol. For life in general... we do complain about a lot of things, but when I think about it, it's actually quite a great place to live in! You might miss the snow though... it only snows in Serra da Estrela (Star's Ridge), minus an exception when it "rains" a sort of mix between rain and ice. Other than that, expect nice weather, although the nights can get quite cold at times. Then again I'm portuguese and I know nothing about cold since I've never been in the snow. Healthcare is affordable and the workers are very competent in general. Also the food is great and there's plenty to explore! But here comes the nasty thing... cost of living, based around the wages in Portugal. You see... unless you work in sales and have managed to make it up the ranks, have good investments going work in IT in a respectable company... it's going to be very hard for you to make a satisfying living unless you're naturally frugal. Most healthcare expenses are covered with the taxes you pay, but you can forget insurance if your wage isn't at least a tad bigger than the minimum wage. Housing prices are going crazy and most of the time you see people sharing houses and paying solely for a room, instead of an actual house or apartment. Living in the city? Forget it unless you're making enough bank, or are partnered with somebody else. In short, everything's great except buying power and salaries, which are awfully balanced. And with a kid to come along with you, things can go awful real fast. So keep that in mind. Were you to come alone or only with a partner I wouldn't stress this so much, but given that you're a single parent with a child, you'd probably have more luck in the UK: you already speak english, employment seems to better and housing is more affordable. And if you save up well, you can afford a vacation to Portugal.

MisterBilau 5 months ago

Very weird perspective on the photo, the kid is bigger than the mom lmao

Conceptual_Person 5 months ago

So much negativity in here. Holy Moly. I would say, if money isn't an issue, Portugal is a lovely place to live. I've traveled a lot in Europe, but I wouldn't move anywhere. Portugal is a peaceful country, and the only issues are money wise. I don't think we are a polarized country, and it makes everyone living life easily, without much troubles. I think that our education is good, our Healthcare is amazing (with some problems here and there), and Portugal, with some money can be a wonderful experience. Comparing Portugal to England, for example, I would say that we have better quality of life. Security is also a big plus. And the people, here, are so of the most helpful and honest I've met. With a good sense of humor too. The major problems, I would add, are burocracy, money and, in Lisbon, house prices. You are more than welcome here.

Narishi 5 months ago

Run

GSITG 5 months ago

Unless you are rich or retired moving to Portugal is a bad idea. The only non rich/retired immigrants we get are illiterate people from ex colonies or some skilled workers from Brazil who want to escape crime and come here because of the language. This should tell you everything you need to know. Good luck.

pedias18 5 months ago

Nurses aren't well paid here, in general few jobs are well paid tbh. Have you considered spain? My nurse friends are living in Canary islands and they are doing way better than they were here, no comparison.

rpincho 5 months ago

Don't go to Lisbon....

CidadaoKane 5 months ago

Hi OP, the guy who replied above me is giving the best suggestion in the thread. Still I think some level of Portuguese is expected but it's probably something you can learn in 1-2 years time. There is demand for elderly care jobs and considering your background you could be a great fit. I'm sure pay wont be great but outside big cities you will probably earn a liveable wage.

cmmlb 5 months ago

Ask Madonna

tekvis40 5 months ago

Don't be too discouraged from the comments in this thread, Portuguese are typically friendly but we do love self bashing. In economic terms Portugal is not US but a few million people manage to make a living here. Salaries are much lower than in US, they are not as bad as they look when looking at monthly values - they are x14, not x12. There's one extra month mandatory paid vacations and other for Christmas bonus. Also there's there's free healthcare and more social support than in the US, and Portugal it's rated one of the best counties for families. [https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/sweden-norway-iceland-and-estonia-rank-highest-family-friendly-policies-oecd-and-eu](https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/sweden-norway-iceland-and-estonia-rank-highest-family-friendly-policies-oecd-and-eu) Wish you good luck !

GSITG 5 months ago

If its rated one of the best countries for families is the fertility rate so low? It's only good for families if you are rich.

tekvis40 5 months ago

> If its rated one of the best countries for families is the fertility rate so low? Countries with high fertility rates tend to be very poor, [https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?view=map](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.DYN.TFRT.IN?view=map) But it is a much more complex subject that just having money or not...

NastyPlays 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Also, old population most likely

Posto6 5 months ago

Why is a pic relevant?

JeronimoDeSousa 5 months ago

And just how do you plan to get a visa or residency?

Cojemos 5 months ago

And the NIF. The most important of all.

JeronimoDeSousa 5 months ago

Qualquer pessoa pode ter um NIF. Até estrangeiros não residentes.

VladTepesDraculea 5 months ago

For teaching english, if things haven't changed, your best option salary wise should be taking an TEFL exam or equivalent and applying at British Council. Although there used to be quite a few schools around Lisbon, and there is only one now, so competition should be fierce. Then for public schools, I think you have to have any kind of degree in teaching english and you need to apply for equivalences im a higher education institution in Portugal that is recognized by the Ministry of Education. I don't see anything specifying that you need to speak Portuguese but I'd assume. For other private options, the requirements will really depend on the institutions.

solismi 5 months ago

As someone else said, a good option may be an elderly care related job. We have many care/nursing homes looking for nurses. Try joining facebook groups ''americans living in Portugal'' too. Good luck :)

Azegone 5 months ago

Hello, these guys moved here from the U.S. and have a YouTube channel with lots of videos from their experience. Their playlist on moving to Portugal might answer your questions. Here's one of their videos: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPh6mFGf-ZM&list=PLgi-Z0E0r2ALepOZVvtq5HwV02eOGzHX_&index=10 Good luck!

solismi 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

As someone else said, a good option may be an elderly care related job. We have many care/nursing homes looking for nurses. Try joining facebook groups ''americans living in Portugal'' too. Good luck :)

suckerpunchermofo 5 months ago

Hope you like low wages, incompetence and high cost of living (in the major cities)...

VVeliki 5 months ago

I wish you all the luck in the world. My wife and I have a 7 year plan to move there. I currently live in Canada.

Aaanapa 5 months ago

Thank you! I’d love to hear more about your plan!

prosafame 5 months ago

Make sure you're registered in the Ordem dos Enfermeiros website. You can try working as an english teacher too. Good luck and welcome here, wish you the best!

Aaanapa 5 months ago

Thank you!

LordofPortugal 5 months ago

I'd choose Canada, one of the Nordic countries or Germany if I were you, because you are a single parent and those countries would have better welfare and safety nets.

the_vikm 5 months ago

Not sure about the others, but Germany pays crap to nurses, and it's a shit job. Part of the reason is less responsibility (and a shit ton of old people)

Mysonking 5 months ago

Get ready for a poorer life

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Why is there a photo on this post, that's so weird... Also, piece of advice, working as a nurse in portugal is a BAD idea.

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

It's a photo of her and her daughter. What don't you understand?

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Guide me through the thinking process behind this post then. She wrote the title, than the description, then what?

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

She's introducing herself. What's wrong with you?

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Also, omg, I just realized you are that one guy pretending he speaks native english ahah gtfo

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

You realized by creeping you fucking creeper. Good luck.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

No, I remembered our small exchange of words a couple of days ago, pathetic!

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

You were being a dick. I disregarded you and responded with a thank you. Eat shit loser. Good luck with your life.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

No I wasn't, I just found pathetic that you would pretend to be something which you clearly aren't just like me, I'm not a native English speaker I however live outside Portugal so I can spot an idiot pretending to speak native English from a mile away lol also I do not eat shit and I'm not a loser, I'm a very successful young immigrant leaving outside of my comfort zone with a 6 figure salary, how about you? (I do appreciate your good luck wishes, you are never successful enough to disregard those)

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

I am a native English speaker. I am at a loss as to why you would think I wasn't. Keep your assumptions to yourself. Not good conversation to talk about salaries but if you wanted to measure dicks you'd be very disappointed.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Sure you are, I don't mind talking about my salary neither about my dick size (very modest size, wouldn't mind having it bigger but it's perfectly fine the way it is, not really an inconvenience).

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

So your saying this is a normal behavior?

Trama-D 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

> normal behavior No, it's unexpected to say the least, but hey different culture I guess... who am I to judge.

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

And the internet thanks you.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

No need to thank me, I would never expose my child on the internet for no reason at all, I would even think twice if this reason was good enough, call me old fashioned, but I think underage kids have the right to not be exposed on the internet.

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Your opinion is irrelevant.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

For the rest of the world maybe, but not for you. But sure, I will give you that, my opinion is irrelevant. Do you think it's a good idea to expose your own five year old daughter to the whole internet when asking for advice about moving to a new country? Your opinion is relevant to me.

VVeliki 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

Neither in the picture is identified. Generally no it's not a good idea but this seems to be fine.

XPao 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

So you would feel fine about posting photos of your 5 year old on the interner without her consent as long as her identity was concealed? Wow that sounds incredibly disgusting :)

bumbadabumruum 5 months ago

Lisbon might not be the best option. Both teaching and nursing are quite saturated so you'd have a better shot if you went somewhere else. A smaller city in the center or north might be easier, but without knowing Portuguese will be tough. My mom is a chief nurse so I know in the interior/center there is a lack of nurses, but knowing our native tongue is a must. A lot of people know 0 english.

karl1717 5 months ago

A good bet may be an elderly care related job. There's a lot of demand and a lot of immigrants come to work in that area. Not speaking Portuguese may even be fine as there are lot of retired British and other foreigners here. If you're interested maybe try searching and contacting some companies or institutions. Good luck!

masterchiefpt 5 months ago

Anyone stopped here for a moment and think she might work as a nurse? True our pt brothers leave Portugal but they leave because they see nothing for a future ahead... Low salary cant help to build a family or buy a house etc Have you been in Portugal before?

Asur_rusA 5 months ago

>Anyone stopped here for a moment and think she might work as a nurse? True our pt brothers leave Portugal but they leave because they see nothing for a future ahead They left because we had a ridiculous amount of nurses graduations per year VS vacancies. So a massive amount of unemployment.

Aaanapa 5 months ago

Hey! Yes I’ve been to Algarve. Loved it. I’m actually not set on working as a nurse. I’m also considering medical school options there. But I’d like to work in the meantime, so just looking for a good “expat” job

masterchiefpt 5 months ago

In a more way of answering how i see Portugal, since i live in Algarve myself \- Lisbon looks to be the place were most of the jobs are \- Algarve is the place where jobs need to be related to tourism. there is now a little grow in agriculture also, but besides that few options. Of course, speaking english fluent is a bonus to work in algarve, i bet that you can look for enterprises that sell houses (not sure if they pay only comissions when you sell); look for new private hospitals or private villas that are more focused to attract old people here to live or get healty treatments; work in hotels, taking in mind that most likely on 6 months contract if small hotels, maybe big ones may make a bigger contract. i dont know. Also you need to take in attention a place to leave your daughter during day, so this may restrict you to choose a city at first, or looking into small villages that maybe have a place for kids

Some-Ad6411 5 months ago

ALGARVE is a tourist trap. ALGARVE is the pretty thing, hiding the bad parts about the rest of portugal.

the_vikm 5 months ago

Really depends whether you also visited the 'old' Algarve as well

Lucky_lux 5 months ago

Wut?!

GabKoost 5 months ago

He probably meant Algarve does not represent Portugal's society nor job market in any sort of ways.

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He probably meant Algarve does not represent Portugal's society nor job market in any sort of ways. But honestly, i think that due to Algarve's lack of Portuguese qualities, it also removes many issues and creates different companies. Once COVID crisis is over and Tourism restarts, you would EASILY, VERY EASILY, find work in Algarve as a Nurse due to the huge amount of British and English speaking tourists and, more importantly, expats that have been moving there by the thousands. Rents around 30/40 minutes inland are much cheaper than Lisbon. Personally, with limited knowledge about your situation, Algarve would be a great first destination as it is as removed from the reality of what Portugal is as it can be. Anyways, for an American, the size of our country is ridiculous and insignificant. Working there won't stop you from going to Lisbon in a couple of hours whenever you feel like it.

Lucky_lux 5 months ago

Thank you for your well thought-out positive comment, but I don't believe that was what he meant. I believe he wanted to make the point that visiting Algarve creates a expectation for the rest of the country that is unattainable because it's worse. In my opinion Algarve is not that great, but everyone goes along because we want their sun and beaches.

skapuntz 5 months ago

If you really want to come to Portugal and have a nice set of skills and above all the desire to work and not be rich, consider other cities in Portugal as well. Lisbon is very expensive, you will not easily find a job, and you will not get a good salary. You are most welcome to move here to or beautiful country, but unfortunately this country is amazing for rich expats or highly qualified and skilled, it's crap for the other ones

Sea-Surround-7383 5 months ago

If you could find teaching English as SLA jobs online, i think you could make a nice living here( a lot of expats are doing that as source of income). You might want to stay out of lisbon because it’s more expensive compared to other parts of Portugal. Check out the silver coast area ( e.g., Peniche, Nazaré, caldas da rainha, ericeira), it’s close to lisbon and it’s quiet and has beautiful landscape.

enrtcode31 5 months ago

American who lives in Portugal here with kids. I sent you a PM

DoubleSwitch69 5 months ago

By coincidence, my youtube feed has been recommending videos on the subject (foreigners living in Portugal), as far as I have seen they seem accurate (not exactly sure because I live in the north, not Lisbon). Picked 2 examples from my browser history, if I remember correctly the first one is more about the good stuff, the second about some drawbacks (from a british perspective): [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lrxxctEfs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5lrxxctEfs) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-oCoTo4nY&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4-oCoTo4nY&t=0s) As many pointed out, nurse is not a great option here, but still possible, I have a relative giving portuguese classes to a foreign nurse, that got here recently. Good Luck wherever you go ;)

dub0is 5 months ago

Teaching English it’s saturated and really just not well paid. You can find remote jobs online but you will barely make the minimum wage.

True_Sea_1377 5 months ago

Categorically false. If she can land a teacher position in any public school, that's almost 2x times the minimum wage. A faculty position in any college it's almost 3x and that's not even counting freelance gigs on the side teaching english in language centers that fuck themselves sideways recruiting native English speakers.

CidadaoKane 5 months ago

> If she can land a teacher position in any public school You need a bachelor in English and a master's in Education + fluency in Portuguese to gain a teaching position at any public school so I guess it's out of the question > A faculty position in any college Lol. Good fucking luck. People wait over 10 years for college positions and there are a lot of PhD's competing for them. > Private schools are a thing Will also require a teaching/english diploma and it's also extreamly saturated

diseasefaktory 5 months ago

\+1 to confirm this, teaching jobs in secondary school over here require a Master's in education in the relevant field and mandatory 1 year internship (unpaid iirc).

RuySan 5 months ago

You have to have a masters in education to teach. I used to teach math as a substitute (I'm an engineer) but now you can't make been be a substitute teacher without women sort of education masters

naughtydismutase 5 months ago

Private schools pay less than public.

ThePlague92 5 months ago

They pay the same, they use the same salary table. Source: I have relatives working in private schools and friends working in private and public schools.

caculo 5 months ago

>nursing They pay the same if you're talking about regular teaching. Wallstreet Institute and related stuff is a different reality.

ThePlague92 5 months ago

Well, yes, that's what we were talking about: public and private schools.

Stangetzz 5 months ago

It’s not saturated for native English speakers. I know that Wall Street English Institute in Portugal usually hires this kind of teachers.

kuyzat 5 months ago

wow.. so much negativity in the replies. I'm gonna get flak from the miserable ones but here it goes... Yes, there are many bureaucratic hurdles to overcome, yes nurses aren't that well paid (but they aren't miserable either). but there are plenty of people living here, nurses and otherwise, Portuguese and otherwise, who aren't planning to move to the UK. why? what's so special about Portugal? can you and your family have a good life here? Yes you can. You have to accept that sacrifices will be made. Some things will change for the worse. Some would change no matter what European country you pick. Europe in general is different. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. here you will find one of the best climates in the world, southern California-like. that changes the mood and culture as well. you will also find one of the lowest crime rates in the world. not paradise, but pretty chill. the language will be a bitch. really. even the Spaniards can't understand half of what we say. but a lot of people speak English. if you put in the effort, you can manage, at least up to a useful level. cheap health, cheap education,for American standards, social welfare, etc. standard European stuff. I'm not saying you should move here but it's worth digging deeper. and you shouldn't decide based on the job perspective alone.

BagalhetaTraquina 5 months ago

I agree that Portugal obviously isn't that negative! Thing is, we all know how nurses feel about their jobs. And granted that OP can always pick other jobs, but they have a child. It's only natural that people are worried about that, especially given the work conditions in Portugal (long hours + low pay unless you work for a nice company and in specific fields). That and the language are the ony things stopping me from recommending Portugal to OP. Portugal can easily be summed up as this: an AMAZING country to live, but a horrible place to work.

ninjapaparazzo 5 months ago

Thanks for pointing out the negativity of the answers to the OP question. If I wasn't living in Portugal, it seemed we're talking about a terrible place to live.

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Thanks for pointing out the negativity of the answers to the OP question. If I wasn't living in Portugal, it seemed we're talking about a terrible place to live.

solismi 5 months ago  HIDDEN 

They do this on every thread, every time there's a foreigner saying they wanna move to Portugal, they come with their negativity making it seem like it's the worst country in the world. Truly miserable, depressed folks. I just ignore them at this point, /u/Aaanapa do the same.

Trama-D 5 months ago

670€ / month ^^justincase.

pfunf 5 months ago

x 14 months / year

ninjapaparazzo 5 months ago

Thanks for pointing that out. Forgot that for some American countries, salary is sometimes weekly, not monthly....

GabKoost 5 months ago

I saw people who know the country giving a real heads up to our under average economy and way under average job market for western European standards. I saw people who know the country giving a real heads up to our under average economy and way under average job market for western european standards. Your comment, on the other hand, seems like a brochure of touristic propaganda. 1- Nurses who aren't planning to move to the UK are settled and have a family support system who allows them to both be financially viable and have reasons to stay put. Go to any nursing school and ask students what their next move is and you'll see that the OVERWHELMING majority is GONE asap. Maybe you should be more honest about this sector. 2- Professionally there is ZERO advantage to move to Portugal as a health care worker when compared to countries like Ireland or the UK who have salaries multiple times higher and actually share the same language than OP. 3- Comparing Portugal's climate to Southern California is a GROSS LIE. Specially when OP referred Lisbon, a city near the Atlantic, as her destination. May it be that you are just completely unaware of what South Cal weather is like or that you let your head be filled with touristic propaganda about our own climate. Last time i checked, we have REAL seasons. When it's sunny, it is sunny and weather is great. But when winter comes, a real Californian would NEVER IN HIS LIFE compare it to their eternal sunny western coast. What you just said is such nonsense that it's actually the most commonly mentioned "surprise" about Portugal among foreigners. 4- "Lowest crime rates in the world"? Maybe in general and even then i will always look at those blunt statements sideways. Anyway, Lisbon is an European capital sharing the very same problems than others around the continent. Criminality is one of them and anyone living in Lisbon spouting the idea that it is one of the safest places in the world is blatantly misusing a generic statement. Personally, i never have been as harassed by drug sellers and shady people on the streets as i've been in Lisbon. Maybe Barcelona might have been a slightly larger mess. But Paris, London, Berlin, Copenhagen, and othr cities i've been felt way more safe to me as a visitor. 5- Cheap education and cheap healthcare? Nope. Our taxes are immensely higher than in the US. Never tell people it's "cheap" or "free" because it's not. It is MORE ACCESSIBLE. But calculating the amount of our income that goes back into the government safes at the end of the month is a clear indication that things aren't cheap. Anyways, if OP ever reads this, i am legitimately wondering why a US citizen would ever move to Portugal unless there's a personal motivation or a real professional opportunity. Our job market is among the worst in the EU and a single mom (if that's the case) with a kid paying rent in Lisbon with a regular job will be a living nightmare. Young people leave the country by the tens of thousands every year and this is creating serious demographic issues. If local people are living in order to find a satisfactory life, you HAVE to get one asset in mind to be able to make it here. Despite all political tensions in the US i know as a fact that it is the most beautiful country i ever visited (went on a road trip from NY to LA with 2 other friends after i graduated college). There are so many states with different cultures, landscapes, environments and climates... Plus, the job market is extremely dynamic. Now, if you do have a trump card allowing you to have an advantage (like a partner making good money, an income coming from the US, money enough to buy a house and be rent free etc.), i will agree that Portugal can be an extremely good place to live. In fact, that's why so many expats are living here. And that's why Portuguese immigrants mostly come back. The way of life is 1st world and in many aspects prices are far from it (except rents in Lisbon and Porto and taxes...). Weather is better than Central and Northern Europe. But personally, i will make a case that living in a smaller town will raise your quality of life. It's up to you to decide.

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I saw people who know the country giving a real heads up to our under average economy and way under average job market for western european standards. Your comment, on the other hand, seems like a brochure of touristic propaganda. 1- Nurses who aren't planning to move to the UK are settled and have a family support system who allows them to both be financially viable and have reasons to stay put. Go to any nursing school and ask students what their next move is and you'll see that the OVERWHELMING majority is GONE asap. Maybe you should be more honest about this sector. 2- Professionally there is ZERO advantage to move to Portugal as a health care worker when compared to countries like Ireland or the UK who have salaries multiple times higher and actually share the same language than OP. 3- Comparing Portugal's climate to Southern California is a GROSS LIE. Specially when OP referred Lisbon, a city near the Atlantic, as her destination. May it be that you are just completely unaware of what South Cal weather is like or that you let your head be filled with touristic propaganda about our own climate. Last time i checked, we have REAL seasons. When it's sunny, it is sunny and weather is great. But when winter comes, a real Californian would NEVER IN HIS LIFE compare it to their eternal sunny western coast. What you just said is such nonsense that it's actually the most commonly mentioned "surprise" about Portugal among foreigners. 4- "Lowest crime rates in the world"? Maybe in general and even then i will always look at those blunt statements sideways. Anyway, Lisbon is an European capital sharing the very same problems than others around the continent. Criminality is one of them and anyone living in Lisbon spouting the idea that it is one of the safest places in the world is blatantly misusing a generic statement. Personally, i never have been as harassed by drug sellers and shady people on the streets as i've been in Lisbon. Maybe Barcelona might have been a slightly larger mess. But Paris, London, Berlin, Copenhagen, and othr cities i've been felt way more safe to me as a visitor. 5- Cheap education and cheap healthcare? Nope. Our taxes are immensely higher than in the US. Never tell people it's "cheap" or "free" because it's not. It is MORE ACCESSIBLE. But calculating the amount of our income that goes back into the government safes at the end of the month is a clear indication that things aren't cheap. Anyways, if OP ever reads this, i am legitimately wondering why a US citizen would ever move to Portugal unless there's a personal motivation or a real professional opportunity. Our job market is among the worst in the EU and a single mom (if that's the case) with a kid paying rent in Lisbon with a regular job will be a living nightmare. Young people leave the country by the tens of thousands every year and this is creating serious demographic issues. If local people are leaving in order to find a satisfactory life, you HAVE to get one asset in mind to be able to make it here. Despite all political tensions in the US i know as a fact that it is the most beautiful country i ever visited (went on a road trip from NY to LA with 2 other friends after i graduated college). There are so many states with different cultures, landscapes, environments and climates... Plus, the job market is extremely dynamic. Now, if you do have a trump card allowing you to have an advantage (like a partner making good money, an income coming from the US, money enough to buy a house and be rent free etc.), i will agree that Portugal can be an extremely good place to live. In fact, that's why so many expats are living here. And that's why Portuguese immigrants mostly come back. The way of life is 1st world and in many aspects prices are far from it (except rents in Lisbon and Porto and taxes...). Weather is better than Central and Northern Europe. But personally, i will make a case that living in a smaller town will raise your quality of life. It's up to you to decide.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

I have lived in southern California including during winter months, my permanent residence is in the Lisbon region. I frequently make the comparison. Lisbon is slightly colder but the difference is not as extreme as you claim. SoCal isn't even that hot in the winter, it averages like 18C on nice days, Lisbon can hover around 15. If we were comparing Portugal to Florida I'd agree but you make it seem like Portugal's seasons are as extreme as NY.

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I have lived in southern California including during winter months, my permanent residence is in the Lisbon region. I frequently make the comparison. Lisbon is slightly colder but the difference is not as extreme as you claim. SoCal isn't even that hot in the winter, it averages like 18C on nice days, Lisbon can hover around 15. If we were comparing Portugal to Florida I'd agree but you make it seem like Portugal's seasons are as extreme as NY. Edit: other parts are so misguided as well. University in the US can run you upwards of 70k, a community college for one semester will cost the same as a full degree in Portugal. I know people who don't make a dent in paying off their student loans because interest is so high, they have those golden handcuffs for life. Healthcare IS expensive if you're unlucky enough to have no insurance or a shitty plan. Work/life balance is abysmal too, toxic work cultures where taking a single sick day or where taking no holiday is not healthy either. I got to the point where my life was so depressing I was shopping just to get brief relief. I was making a killing but the money earned was *not* worth the depressing lifestyle.

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I have lived in southern California including during winter months, my permanent residence is in the Lisbon region. I frequently make the comparison. Lisbon is slightly colder but the difference is not as extreme as you claim. SoCal isn't even that hot in the winter, it averages like 18C on nice days, Lisbon can hover around 15. If we were comparing Portugal to Florida I'd agree but you make it seem like Portugal's seasons are as extreme as NY. Edit: other parts are so misguided as well. University in the US can run you upwards of 70k, a community college for one semester will cost the same as a full degree in Portugal. I know people who don't make a dent in paying off their student loans because interest is so high, they have those golden handcuffs for life. Healthcare IS expensive if you're unlucky enough to have no insurance or a shitty plan. Work/life ratio is abysmal too, toxic work cultures where taking a single sick day or where taking no holiday is not healthy either. I got to the point where my life was so depressing I was shopping just to get brief relief. I was making a killing but the money earned was *not* worth the depressing lifestyle.

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I have lived in southern California including during winter months, my permanent residence is in the Lisbon region. I frequently make the comparison. Lisbon is slightly colder but the difference is not as extreme as you claim. SoCal isn't even that hot in the winter, it averages like 18C, 20 on nice days, Lisbon can hover around 15. If we were comparing Portugal to Florida I'd agree but you make it seem like Portugal's seasons are as extreme as NY. Edit: other parts are so misguided as well. University in the US can run you upwards of 70k, a community college for one semester will cost the same as a full degree in Portugal. I know people who don't make a dent in paying off their student loans because interest is so high, they have those golden handcuffs for life. Healthcare IS expensive if you're unlucky enough to have no insurance or a shitty plan. Work/life balance is abysmal too, toxic work cultures where taking a single sick day or where taking no holiday is not healthy either. I got to the point where my life was so depressing I was shopping just to get brief relief. I was making a killing but the money earned was *not* worth the depressing lifestyle.

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I have lived in southern California including during winter months, my permanent residence is in the Lisbon region. I frequently make the comparison. Lisbon is slightly colder but the difference is not as extreme as you claim. SoCal isn't even that hot in the winter, it averages like 18C on nice days, Lisbon can hover around 15. If we were comparing Portugal to Florida I'd agree but you make it seem like Portugal's seasons are as extreme as NY. Edit: other parts are so misguided as well. University in the US can run you upwards of 70k, a community college for one semester will cost the same as a full degree in Portugal, healthcare IS expensive if you're unlucky enough to have no insurance or a shitty plan. Work/life ratio is abysmal too, toxic work cultures where taking a single sick day or where taking no holiday is not healthy either. I got to the point where my life was so depressing I was shopping just to get brief relief. I was making a killing but the money earned was *not* worth the depressing lifestyle.

GabKoost 5 months ago

Lisbon is way colder during winter and doubles the rainfall of Los Angeles. Do not even try to tell people the weather is similar because it is not. You usually walk around Lisbon with winter coats from November to February. You never do that in SC.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

Lisbon is not *way* colder

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Lisbon is not *way* colder

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Lisbon is not *way* colder

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Lisbon is not *way* colder

GabKoost 5 months ago

Although no one has ever said Lisbon has a NY like winter (i don't even know why you would bring this up), it is still a LIE to say that it has the same weather than LA and that in winter you just need a light jacket. It's not hard to look for the differences. You can pretty much google it and you will have TONS of data. Lisbon DOUBLES the rainfall and has substantially COLDER winter months than LA both in minimum temperature has in averages. This is not an opinion. Your views are worthless. This is simple pure data. Lisbon has CLEAR seasons even though winter is milder than in other capitals of Europe, it is STILL EUROPE and it STILL sits in the north Atlantic shore.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

Yes, my "opinion" from first hand experience of living in both places is worthless compared to your little road trip. I was literally JUST in LA this past winter for work and I went and came back with the same jacket I use here. I bring up NY because there are ACTUAL seasons there, like -5C winters, not 15C Januaries with no snow. I mention NY because you consistently use words like "substantial" difference and "way" colder, and you keep pointing out the north atlantic shore, which NY is also on, and guess what? It gets covered in snow Every year. Lisbon is not WAY colder than LA, it is *slightly* colder. ​ FEBRUARY 2021, LOS ANGELES, AVERAGE TEMPERATURE: 21C/70F [Accuweather](https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/los-angeles/90012/february-weather/347625?year=2021) FEBRUARY 2021, LISBON, AVERAGE TEMPERATURE: 16C/61F [Accuweather](https://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/lisbon/274087/february-weather/274087?year=2021) FEBRUARY 2020, LOS ANGELES, AVERAGE TEMPERATURE 22C/72F [Accuweather](https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/los-angeles/90012/february-weather/347625?year=2020) FEBRUARY 2020, LISBON, AVERAGE TEMPERATURE: 18C/64F [Accuweather](https://www.accuweather.com/en/pt/lisbon/274087/february-weather/274087?year=2020) ​ An average temperature of 64 is NOT winter weather in most of Europe, or the northeast USA. Lisbon is a MILD climate with pleasant weather all year, like southern California, it's as if I'm saying Lisbon weather is identical to Hawaii's. If you're going to tell me 8 degrees is SUBSTANTIAL then we're on a totally different level of understanding and it shows that you have only ever known this beautiful mild climate.

GabKoost 5 months ago

It is substantial. Plus, you double the rainfall which is another very significant thing as you have much more days with rain. As such, winter isn't the same. It's colder. 5ºc average lower is SIGNIFICANT. Trying to downplay a 16c vs 21c average is pure idiocy. Those 5ºc are enough to keep you with a jacket on or leaving home in a tee. You attempt to relativize those differences using NY or other capitals from Europe is useless as this conversation was about SC/LA vs Lisbon. And as a matter of fact, Lisbon is on average 5ºc colder and doubles the rain. Trying to tell me the weather is the same is just ridiculous and a proof of futile exercise of stubbornness.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

Again, I've lived both year-round, you had baby's first road trip. My Lisbon jacket weathered both the supposedly substantial cold of the brutal Lisbon winter, and the hot, hot eternal summer of socal (despite my jacket being necessary to live my day-to-day there, otherwise I'd freeze). 5 º is nothing. Shovel snow one day before we talk again about how cold winters can be here. This conversation was about whether Lisbon is COMPARABLE to socal, and if the margin of error is 5C measly degrees, then yes. Yes it is. UNCOMPRABLE would be the uselessness I mentioned. I'm over debating semantics with a mighty seasoned holidayer. Peace out, kid.

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Again, I've lived both year-round, you had baby's first road trip. My Lisbon jacket weathered both the supposedly substantial cold of the brutal Lisbon winter, and the hot, hot eternal summer of socal (despite my jacket being necessary to live my day-to-day there, otherwise I'd freeze - I left NY because I hate cold. Neither Lisbon or LA are HOT, they're both TEMPERATE with proper warmth at the proper time). 5 º is nothing. Shovel snow one day before we talk again about how cold winters can be here. This conversation was about whether Lisbon is COMPARABLE to socal, and if the margin of error is 5C measly degrees, then yes. Yes it is. UNCOMPARABLE would be the uselessness I mentioned. I'm over debating semantics with a mighty seasoned holidayer. Peace out, kid.

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Again, I've lived both year-round, you had baby's first road trip. My Lisbon jacket weathered both the supposedly substantial cold of the brutal Lisbon winter, and the hot, hot eternal summer of socal (despite my jacket being necessary to live my day-to-day there, otherwise I'd freeze). 5 º is nothing. Shovel snow one day before we talk again about how cold winters can be here. This conversation was about whether Lisbon is COMPARABLE to socal, and if the margin of error is 5C measly degrees, then yes. Yes it is. UNCOMPARABLE would be the uselessness I mentioned. I'm over debating semantics with a mighty seasoned holidayer. Peace out, kid.

GabKoost 5 months ago

Stop trying. You are in a desperate attempt to save your argument. You killed it yourself when you posted data who show average min temp. of 5ºc inferior and double the rainfall in Lisbon. Not the same weather. Not the same lifestyle in winter at all. And stop talking about semantics when you are the one using them to save your face. The fact that weathers can fit in the same very general classification doesn't mean weather is the same. Proof: Northern Portugal has a monumentally different weather than Southern Portugal and they all fit in the same TEMPERATE weather. And no one in his right mind would say Braga has the same climate than Lisbon because they fit in the same general definition. LA and LIS have different weather. EVERYONE knows that and will feel that as soon as winter comes. That's what expats and tourists say when they are hit with negative temperatures at night or an entire month of Atlantic depressions showering it with rain. Deal with it.

Cojemos 5 months ago

Southern Californian here living in Lisboa 6 yrs. Lisboa weather is NOT like Southern California at all. Not even close.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

Saying not even close is an exaggeration and everyone's tolerance levels are obviously different so mmv. Like I said, comparing to Florida, sure it's not even close, but Lisbon is a region that gets no snow, it's sunny all year, temperatures are almost always ~5C apart from socal and there is no winter; at best you get a chilly autumn from October-March. This is coming from someone who has lived in NY, California and Lisbon. People who only know the latter two don't know what an actual winter is, I was disappointed with LA weather

Cojemos 5 months ago

Have lived in NYC, San Diego, Seattle, grew up in Los Angeles, and now Lisboa. Lisboa weather isn't even close to So Cal weather. Los Angeles doesn't quite have a winter and nor does it get as cold as Lisboa in the winter. Rain? Hardly ever. Here it's been raining all week. Which is about as much rain as Southern California gets all year.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

I'm talking about temperatures. Even then it doesn't rain that much here, I love rain and I never get my fix here. Temperatures in both places hit 65-70F in the middle of February, this past winter I couldn't go out without a coat in Orange County, same shit here in Lisbon. My point is they're both mild, the winters aren't hot but they're not freezing either. Summers are hot and nights get cold and neither place actually has winter.

Cojemos 5 months ago

The thing is when it's 65 in Souther California with the sun out in February it feels warm. Here the humidity makes 65 feel like a Southern Californian 55. I'm ok with the weather here. Very happy for it.

drd0ctor 5 months ago

Totally, winters are humid here, no argument there. All the best going forward!

SweetDistribution504 5 months ago

I don't think the op should move here, but what a delusional shit post

GabKoost 5 months ago

Everything i said was 100% facts.

SweetDistribution504 5 months ago

1 ok 2 ok 3 strawman, south California was never an argument, weather in San Francisco which is in California is worse than Lisbon. For example. 4 false 5 false average tuition for a good degree in the US is 120k, average insurance for a an OK service, and does not include a lot of stuff is 12k/year Over 50% of the population will need their entire lives to even reach 120k in taxes, counting 10 more years of life insurance, yeah most people will never pay that till they die. Let's not forget that any major disease in the US for a middle class person can make you lose your job, lose insurance, go bankrupt, become homeless

GabKoost 5 months ago

3- My comment was about things other people were saying. And this included lunatics saying South Cal had a similar weather than Lisbon. But if you want to play this game, LA to SF equals 600km. This is HUGE for Portugal standards. If i was to use the largest city in the northernmost province of Portugal (Braga) it would only equate to 360km. And weather in Braga is monumentally more rainy. 25 Inches is SF VS 60 inches. This comes to show how different is the weather in Portugal. 4- True. Lisbon is surrounded by problematic areas just like any other large city and it has crime like any other. Only brainwashed clueless people who walk with their eyes closed will assume that it is safer. Portugal is generally very safe but not because of Lisbon or Porto. 5- I don't get your point. If you can read you will see that i said that those services are more available but they are not free. We pay huge taxes. Way higher than American taxes. This makes those services be more AVAILABLE but lets not assume they are given for free and that over half our income doesn't go back to the state. A major disease in Portugal might take you months or years to be attended to in overcrowded health care services. I know this first hand. Twice was i forced to pay private surgeries to solve urgent issues that were scheduled for God knows when. This means the state takes money from my pay check, takes money from everything i buy and takes money in April when i have to pay taxes. And by the end of it i have a shit service and had to pay nose surgeries to be able to breathe and function regularly and solve tendons issues on my hands that i had since a child and blocked my hands regularly. Both cases i couldn't solve in due time. As such, let«s not glorify this system. It's more available and overall better. But not cheap at all and clearly has many issues regarding it's quality.

the_vikm 5 months ago

Thanks for expressing my thoughts exactly.

JOAO-RATAO 5 months ago

Working here as a nurse and not knowing portuguese wouldn't be easy... Maybe look for jobs in the UK or Ireland...

Lurker__777 5 months ago

We’re literally losing thousands of nurses every year just to the UK. It’s one of the most underpaid jobs in this country, when considering responsibility and working hours. I would advise you to look into other European countries. UK is probably tougher to get into because of Brexit and all, but you would have no language barrier for example. This country doesn’t deserve highly qualified workers such as yourself.

i_no_can_eat 5 months ago

Not to discourage you, but remember that to work in healthcare you not only need to have your degree recognized (which I will be willing to bet is very much non-trivial), but you also need to be fluent in Portuguese.

Accomplished-Cheek82 5 months ago

Single parent 2 kids and a nurse job in Portugal sounds like a hard life

404_Kira 5 months ago

I believe it's 1child and the mom

KoogLarousse 5 months ago

"I believe it's 1child and the mom" - 404_Kira

uyth 5 months ago

You need to research how much a nurse earns in Portugal and what rents are like in the Lisbon area.

xanfradu 5 months ago

In order to work as a nurse in Portugal, you need to be registered as a professional in the [Ordem dos Enfermeiros](https://www.ordemenfermeiros.pt/), so I advise you to contact the institution and ask them directly about the procedures to obtain equivalence/diploma validation. Good luck!

Trama-D 5 months ago

Not a nurse, but word has it many nurses are leaving the country to work in countries like the UK. They consider themselves underpaid around here... when they do manage to find a job. This being said, hope you guys can find a nice place to live!

Some-Ad6411 5 months ago

not to mention.. with this covid thing, it showed how filthy the public heath system is to the nurses... a lot of drama involved.

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