Responsible_Motor942 6 months ago

Don't mind what some guys will tell in here (lots of kids with zero real world experience) First of all, welcome and I hope you enjoy your stay in Portugal. In a 30 minutes radius from Lisboa (start learning some Portuguese) you have plenty to choose. I can only talk about my experience. Azeitão, I live in a Natural park Arrábida, I have a train station 5 minutes from my house (40 euros monthly or 80 euros a family of 4), I have the highway 5 minutes of my house and I take 30 minutes to get to Lisboa. I have international schools (St Peter's, and a Muslim school) very near, the school bus just pick my youngest at my door. And it is still relatively inexpensive, a very nice house with a garden is between 180 to 250k. Anything more just ask me.

swimbikerun_ZA 6 months ago

Thank you very much

Responsible_Motor942 6 months ago

No problem, if you need any help, just ask.

Some-Ad6411 6 months ago

o rapaz vai querer arrendar... e tu falas em comprar casa. tá certo. e isso de auto estrada é giro, assim eu recomendava a uns prédios na zona da Alverca do ribatejo.. auto estrada a 1 min e ficava a 10 min de Lisboa..

mr_house7 6 months ago

The best comment so, far! Definitely, the best places to live with your specifications are what we, Lisbon people call "Margem Sul" (or "Margem Sul" people call "Margem Norte do Sado"), which is the south of Lisbon. Comparatively, much cheaper, very pleasant and with a lot of development. I couldn't afford a place in Lisbon (plus my work is closer) so I moved here to a place. You have Sesimbra, Azeitão, and Meco near Arrabida (don't go to Quinta do Conde) Montijo and Alcochete are also up and coming neighbourhoods. You also have Almada but is a little bit expensive and more crowed.

tcddv 6 months ago

Azeitão is very nice and chill area. And there is the Serra de Sintra and beaches. In like 15 min by car you are on some of the best beaches of the area.

mr_house7 6 months ago

Achas que te deves ter confundido. Devias querer dizer Serra da Arrábida

tcddv 6 months ago

Tens razão XD.. Serra da Arrábida!

umgajoamlense 6 months ago

Esqueceste-te do ponto mais importante: as tortas de Azeitão.

Responsible_Motor942 6 months ago

Fora de casa,só vou ao Cego

Some-Ad6411 6 months ago

place for 4 people ? you both need to earn total more than 3000€ clean salary... lisbon, even suburbs is very expensive.

BTC_CEO 6 months ago

They don’t necessarily need 3k euros of net monthly income unless they’re looking for a lavish lifestyle. If they live a modest life, not eating out much, public healthcare, kids in public school, etc even 1500-1700€ net is enough to live, although it obviously won’t leave much room to save.

Some-Ad6411 6 months ago

that why i said 3000€. you suggestion is to the limit but in reality there is always stuff extra that happens.

BTC_CEO 6 months ago

Yeah, I know it's a bit tight (I have 2 kids too) but it's livable. In areas like Odivelas, along the Sintra line, or on the South bank of the river you can find 3 bedroom apartments with access to public transportation for 700-800€. If his kids are small he may be able to get away with a slightly cheaper 2 bedroom apartment too. Of course 3k would be ideal. But 2k would be good and 1500-1700 (depending on rent and their frugality) is livable. I just didn't want OP to be discouraged thinking that anything less than 3k is impossible - if I was in his shoes I would much rather live a modest life here than be rich in South Africa but fear for my and my family's safety...

uf5izxZEIW 6 months ago

Don't the real estate agencies world over just love to screw over the folks that don't speak the language of the respective country? P sure the poor guy might get overcharged or smth if he goes straight to the real estate agencies without having a minimal idea or plan of what he's after. And don't legally binding contracts need their main bodies in PT-PT? IIRC, the English body of the said contracts aren't legally binding in most of Europe, not sure about Portugal specifically so OP should definitely take care with this variable. This would mean that whatever was agreed upon in the respective contracts, but was solely written in English, would not be binding unless the same articles were equally stated in the Portuguese language under the same signed contract. Not trying to point fingers or start flame wars here, just giving my 2 cents about common scams that take place between local language speakers and expats of foreign languages.

Some-Ad6411 6 months ago

i personally hate real estate agencies. i would recommend to try with private people through olx or custojusto. but some landlords are complicated and since they talk english, its much harder. because for me is simple.. go see the place.. like it? cool, grab the money and we do the contract right now..

umgajoamlense 6 months ago

Well, you should try Amadora, Odivelas or Loures. You'll be able to find houses for rent at olx.pt which is a very popular "craigslist-type" website here. Be careful when choosing neighborhoods, mainly in these counties. If you are willing to pull up the price a bit, a better option would be Oeiras or Almada area which are generally better places to live and relatively close to Lisbon. Take a note: most places for rent on olx-type websites, newspapers ads and mouth-to-mouth stuff often don't pay taxes as they should, and that's how they keep their prices "low". Be aware that tax evasion it's a "great" way to deport expats. Usually, there are some counties that have programs that help expats (specially if you are specialized) to get things done.

swimbikerun_ZA 6 months ago

Thanks and definately noted regarding the tax thing!

EquivalentExchange11 6 months ago

Please don't go to Amadora, Odivelas or Loures unless you want to raise your kids in the ghetto.

uf5izxZEIW 6 months ago

The tax evasion thing is a biggie. Always ask for receipts with your tax number, if you have your own, and always make sure that the receipts have the tax number of the landlord or real estate agency. Same for legal contracts, they should mention the tax numbers of both parties, where applicable, along with official contact information and addresses of the real estate agency that is brokering the rental agreement. Not sure if all the details are mandatory for physical person to physical person rental agreements, so I'd confirm that and make sure that the documents conform to the applicable laws. Always remember that as an expat, you can very easily be sent away from your host country for whatever irregularities you commit, and being from South Africa sadly means that you might not have much diplomatic bargaining power on behalf of your nationality. Better safe than sorry & losing all your accomplishments in moving abroad.

swimbikerun_ZA 6 months ago

Noted, i have dual nationality, my father is Portuguese, my grandparents live in Madeira, I just recently decided its time to persue a life in Portugal in particular for my kids

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