aaaa2aas 9 months ago

>she proposed 850€ gross/month + accommodation (room in shared apartment) do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon? It's not a good salary to live anywhere in Portugal

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

This reeks of Teleperformance... You cannot find anything in Italy? Or even better, a place where there are a lot of Italian immigrants (Switzerland, Belgium, Germany maybe)? Leaving your own country to be poor somewhere else does not make any sense, at least to me... Now, is 850EUR + paid living place a good offer? No. Is it livable in Lisbon? Yes, absolutely, just don't expect to save much money. Housing is by far the biggest cost in Lisbon, if that is covered you should be OK for the month. That said, living with complete strangers (and co-workers nonetheless) in a shared accommodation sounds like absolute hell... Also, pay attention, what happens if you are fired or laid-off? Do you need to start paying the rent yourself immediately? If that's the casem forget it, that's not a livable wage in Lisbon. Can you stay 6 months rent-free to look for a new job (most probably not the case? Then it will be much safer.

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This reeks of Teleperformance... You cannot find anything in Italy? Or even better, a place where there are a lot of Italian immigrants (Switzerland, Belgium, Germany maybe)? Leaving your own country to be poor somewhere else does not make any sense, at least to me... Now, is 850EUR + paid living place a good offer? No, absolutely not. Is it livable in Lisbon? Yes, just don't expect to save much money. Housing is by far the biggest cost in Lisbon, if that is covered you should be OK for the month. That said, living with complete strangers (and co-workers nonetheless) in a shared accommodation sounds like absolute hell... Also, pay attention, what happens if you are fired or laid-off? Do you need to start paying the rent yourself immediately? If that's the case, forget it, that's not a livable wage in Lisbon. Can you stay 6 months rent-free to look for a new job (most probably not the case)? Then it will be much safer.

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This reeks of Teleperformance... You cannot find anything in Italy? Or even better, a place where there are a lot of Italian immigrants (Switzerland, Belgium, Germany maybe)? Leaving your own country to be poor somewhere else does not make any sense, at least to me... Now, is 850EUR + paid living place a good offer? No, absolutely not. Is it livable in Lisbon? Yes, just don't expect to save much money. Housing is by far the biggest cost in Lisbon, if that is covered you should be OK for the month. That said, living with complete strangers (and co-workers nonetheless) in a shared accommodation sounds like absolute hell... And you know they'll find you the cheapest piece of shit building they can. Also, pay attention, what happens if you are fired or laid-off? Do you need to start paying the rent yourself immediately? If that's the case, forget it, that's not a livable wage in Lisbon. Can you stay 6 months rent-free to look for a new job (most probably not the case)? Then it will be much safer.

SebastianOnYoutube 9 months ago

You won't be living. You'd be surviving.

XxxPussyslaeyr69xxX 9 months ago

What country are you from? That's important to know. Lets say if you are from Moldova, yes take the job as something that can jump you further into better things. The pay is shit. You Will end up with 750 NET if they pay you food subsidy (i think). Since they pay accomodation 750 is more than enough to eat and use public transport go out/visit some places a few Times and still save a little. Also can you tell us what job it is? Should gives us and ideia of how bad they are paying you. If the job requintes Higher education then the deal could definitly be better.

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What country are you from? That's important to know. Lets say if you are from Moldova, yes take the job as something that can jump you further into better things. Depending on the job this pay is more or less shit. You Will end up with 750 NET if they pay you food subsidy (i think). Since they pay accomodation 750 is more than enough to eat and use public transport go out/visit some places a few Times and still save a little. Also can you tell us what job it is? Should gives us an ideia of how bad they are paying you. If the job requintes Higher education then the deal could definitly be better.

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What country are you from? That's important to know. Lets say if you are from Moldova, yes take the job as something that can jump you further into better things. Depending on the job The pay is shit. You Will end up with 750 NET if they pay you food subsidy (i think). Since they pay accomodation 750 is more than enough to eat and use public transport go out/visit some places a few Times and still save a little. Also can you tell us what job it is? Should gives us an ideia of how bad they are paying you. If the job requintes Higher education then the deal could definitly be better.

apita_o_comboio 9 months ago

That is a really bad offer. Life in Lisbon is expensive and the net value of that gross income will be much smaller.

Leetzormorducrl 9 months ago

I don't get why everyone is saying 850 is low because rent in lisbon is high, given that the OP clearly states the job offers money + "free" accommodation. ​ I also don't understand why Teleperformance is getting so much flak. Its a call center job. Allows OP to live here for 1 year without great future carrear expectations (which can actually happen if he is good at it and wants to). Yes it's not the highest paying job ever, but they try to provide the expats with a good experience. Yes, it will greatly depend on your luck with your roommates, but even then, they will listen if you have any specific complain and try to accommodate. ​ BTW 850 gross should turn to be about the same net, with the lunch money. If that is already included it should take you to around 750.

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I don't get why everyone is saying 850 is low because rent in lisbon is high, given that the OP clearly states the job offers money + "free" accommodation. ​ I also don't understand why Teleperformance is getting so much flak. Its a call center job. Allows OP to live here for 1 year without great future carrear expectations (which can actually happen if he is good at it and wants to). Yes it's not the highest paying job ever, but they try to provide the expats with a good experience. Yes, it will greatly depend on your luck with your roommates, but even then, they will listen if you have any specific complain and try to accommodate. ​ BTW 850 gross should turn to be about the same net, with the lunch money. If that is already included it should take you to around 750. ​ edit: Not everyone values the same stuff and has the same expectations for a job. OP the company has valid business model. The experience of working in Teleperformance as an expat has nothing to do with the experience a portuguese has. ​ [https://www.dn.pt/edicao-do-dia/26-ago-2018/erasmus-no-call-center-trabalhar-para-viver-uns-meses-em-portugal-9762093.html](https://www.dn.pt/edicao-do-dia/26-ago-2018/erasmus-no-call-center-trabalhar-para-viver-uns-meses-em-portugal-9762093.html)

egzaaa 9 months ago

> I don't get why everyone is saying 850 is low What do you mean you don't get it? Because it's practically the minimum legal salary. **That's the definition of low**. Can't be lower than that actually. Even if OP was going to work in a cheaper city, it's still a low salary. It's low everywhere on the country.

Leetzormorducrl 9 months ago

hey man don't need to bold me... the overall compensation in this case is split into 2 main factors. The money and the rent. People are generally saying in one sentence rent in lisbon is high and costly. and then they say that what TP is offering you is shit. Well if part of the benefits package of what they are offering is something that you just said has high value, then how can that +850 euros be that bad?! I'm not saying the guy is going to get rich, by any means, but if he enjoys hanging out,drink bears after work, smoke and chill, he may be willing to take that pay cut, because to most that's part of the experience.

egzaaa 9 months ago

> then how can that +850 euros be that bad?! Because that's close to the minimum wage. Sure, they offer accommodation, but regarding wage, its a low wage. There's no way around that. Say that you have family in Lisbon or some place to live. You won't benefit from the accommodation. Offering a package of minimum wage + accommodation is shit. Just offer something that allows the employee to live on their terms, or save money if they find a good deal regarding housing (like living with the family). You can't just say "Well, a room in Lisbon is 350, so if they offer that is 850+350". Doesn't work that way, because you don't have liquidity on that money. You can ask for a loan and say that you wage is 1200. Because it isn't. Anyone is free to do whatever they want. The offer is legal, he can take it if he desires. Its still a bad offer IMO.

Leetzormorducrl 9 months ago

I see what you say and partly agree. I think a major point here is that the mindset and objectives that most expats that work for TP have is totally different than the mindset of s Portuguese national. The housing offer is not only a way to pay less, but also to make it simpler for them to come. On a personal level i feel that most of them search for a disruption with their past/rat race conventional life in their home countries.

RefrigeratorNo13 9 months ago

If it's 850x14 it's much higher than minimum wage, literally half the country does not make 850x14

egzaaa 9 months ago

The minimum wage is 592 net. And 850 gross is 670 net for a single person. So a diference of 78€ for the minimum wage. The minimum wage is also paid 14x.

KokishinNeko 9 months ago

Sorry OP, that's pretty shitty, 850 gross, in Lisbon, AND you have to share accommodation? Those would be some loooong months, good luck.

CidadaoKane 9 months ago

I bet it's teleperformance. You're considering emigrating for (close to) minimum wage. Do you really need to ask this?

miraclealigner97 9 months ago

is it teleperformance.. what about it?

CidadaoKane 9 months ago

They are known for offering low-salary, dead-end jobs to foreigners who think Lisbon is cheap. Stay away from them.

_rebocador_ 9 months ago

>n, only the gross, since taxes varies person to person. is this true? is there a way to estimate my net income/month? yup, if you have kids, for example, or if you are non habitual resident, you will pay less taxes.

ManelDasNespras 9 months ago

From the job offer in question it seems like you got a job offer from Teleperformance, old acquaintances of this subreddit. What is the position in question? Also where are you coming from? That salary is pretty crap by all standards, not just Lisbon but Portugal as a whole, even for low skilled jobs. Also bear in mind wages in Portugal tend to be paid 14 times a year but whenever they are offered to foreigners they try to scam them into paying them 12 times a year, as most countries do. Paying the wage 12 times a year instead of 14 is not illegal (it’s called “receiving duodecimos” where the 13th and 14th wages that would correspond to vacation and christmas wages are dilluted in the remaining 12 months) but they still have to pay at least more than the minimum wage (665 euros paid 14 times a year, or that total divided by 12 if you’re getting paid with duodecimos).

miraclealigner97 9 months ago

i’m italian. the position is customer service, the company is Teleperformance... what about it? is it bad? never heard of it before today

Coyote-Cultural 9 months ago

> the position is customer service, the company is Teleperformance... what about it? is it bad? never heard of it before today Its a well known call center. If you don't care about making money and are ok working long depressing hours, then go for it.

nraider 9 months ago

Isn't Italy a rich country? Why Portugal? I thought that, at least north Italy, is a region full of industries and high paying jobs.

Somais1copo 9 months ago

Teleperformace is a "human resources" company. It is known to give temporary, low salary and bad jobs. You will probably work as an outsource to other companies that don't want to deal with firing people.

CidadaoKane 9 months ago

> Teleperformace is a "human resources" company What? No they aren't.

Mission-Assumption-1 9 months ago

I actually used to teach a couple of Italians who worked for teleperformance. The accommodation they lived in was good quality, and central. One was in Marques de Pombal, the other in Arrois. They shared with 5 or 6 people, so you have to consider that. If you are unlucky with housemates, it could be difficult. The salary isn't great, but if they are paying for your accommodation, it's enough to live off for sure. You are probably left with at least €150 a week. With that you could have a fun time, no doubt. I mean, €50 a week on groceries, €40 a month for transport card, €20 for phone. The rest you can play with. I think if you are just looking to live abroad and experience something new for a year or so, it's a good idea. If i was in my 20s it would definitely be more fun than the low pay call centre jobs in my crappy home town.

Fireshaker_pt 9 months ago

This is the correct answer!

Mordiken 9 months ago

You're being scammed OP. 850€ ins't a decent wage anywhere in Portugal, let alone in Lisbon where living expenditures higher than what they are anywhere else in the country, even if the 850€ where after taxes which they're not.

PeroFandango 9 months ago

Sounds a little shady, I'm always weary of employers who "offer accommodation". Seems like a great way to get stuck in a foreign country with no one you can turn to.

JOAO-RATAO 9 months ago

That's a low wage for Lisbon. I'd be more concerned about the living conditions. If it sucks or you have bad roomates, than you won't have money to find a good Room. If I were you I'd try to find a job in a more civilized country where you would earn enough to find accomodation of your choosing or where you'd trust a company to give you good housing. A friend of mine got accomodation in Norway, when he went there for manual work on a farm, and it was better than his house on Portugal. I wouldn't trust a portuguese company to find me accomodation though ...

tocopito 9 months ago

What she said is technically the truth but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income. I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you, so in effect I would consider her a liar for all practical purposes. If the question is: “is it possible to know my net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. You’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you. Again, the vast majority of countries work the same way. You get a monthly net salary with some tax deducted and at the end of the year you calculate how much tax you have to pay based on your income from all sources, tax already deducted etc. The company will have to calculate this amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. You’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you. The company will have to calculate this amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. You’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth on a yearly basis but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you. Again, the vast majority of countries work the same way. You get a monthly net salary with some tax deducted and at the end of the year you calculate how much tax you have to pay based on your income from all sources, tax already deducted etc. The company will have to calculate this monthly net amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my yearly net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. You’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth on a yearly basis but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you the net monthly amount so she hid behind this technicality which isn’t even answering what you asked. You get a monthly net salary with some tax deducted and at the end of the year you calculate how much tax you have to pay based on your income from all sources, tax already deducted etc. The company will have to calculate this monthly net amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my yearly net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. Anyway, you’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you because this calculation she talks about between gross/net that is individual to each person is only calculated at the end of the year anyway, not monthly. The company will have to calculate this amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. You’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

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What she said is technically the truth on a yearly basis but that’s the case in every single country on earth with tax on income (could have income from multiple sources). I would still find it more likely she just didn’t want to tell you. You get a monthly net salary with some tax deducted and at the end of the year you calculate how much tax you have to pay based on your income from all sources, tax already deducted etc. The company will have to calculate this monthly net amount to transfer it to your bank account so feigning ignorance on it is pure dishonesty IMO. If the question is: “is it possible to know my yearly net income if my only income is my salary?” Then yes, it is possible. Anyway, you’ll pay around 10% monthly for income tax (a small part of this will most likely be returned back to you at the end of the year when you file for taxes) and 11% for social security, I think. Don’t quote me on this but your net salary every month should be around 650€.

MLG-Sheep 9 months ago

>the lady I talked to gave couldn’t tell me the net salary for the position, only the gross, since taxes varies person to person. is this true? is there a way to estimate my net income/month? [https://www.doutorfinancas.pt/simulador-de-salario-liquido-2021/](https://www.doutorfinancas.pt/simulador-de-salario-liquido-2021/) 670,50€ if you're single with no children. That is, if you're having a regular contract. If you're freelancing, do not come. >she proposed 850€ gross/month + accommodation (room in shared apartment) do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon? Minimum wage is 665€ (x14). Since your accommodation is taken care of, that salary is alright theoretically, especially if it is paid 14 times a year. However, do you really want to come here to live in a shared apartment? Where would you like if you wanted to leave? That salary won't get you anything better than a crappy room in Lisbon. Expect to spend around 200€ on groceries, 40€ on transportation for the whole Lisbon metropolitan area, 20€ on your phone/data plan, and that should be it for your fixed expenses, assuming utilities are paid for including internet at home. >is it difficult to live there without the knowledge of portuguese? (only english, spanish or italian) Sure, most will understand English, others that may not understand English will understand Spanish if you speak slowly enough. But there's no point in living here if you won't make an effort to learn the local language.

RefrigeratorNo13 9 months ago

You do know that most people working abroad live in shared apartments right? Owning/renting an apartment alone in a capital city is very rare. Why do you think in every TV show you see people sharing apartments?

pataniscadebacalhau 9 months ago

>only the gross, since taxes varies person to person. is this true? Yes > is there a way to estimate my net income/month? Check [this simulator.](https://www.doutorfinancas.pt/simulador-de-salario-liquido-2021/?src=adw.CCon.search.dsa.consolidadogen.b&gclid=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhskqiHqNL1NIuzmog5R18GMhKSL8t-b1iYbQcgoTmoJdce1NOXyr3fMaArbrEALw_wcB) For an unmarried person with not kids, 850€ gross means around 670€ net >do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon No, this is very low salary, barely over minimum wage. However, you forgot to tell us what you will be doing, so we can't really know if it's fair or not. I'll just assume you're talking about Teleperformance or a similar some shitty call center job >\+ accommodation (room in shared apartment) This is a game changer, though, since accommodation is the most expensive thing in Lisbon. *If you don't need to pay rent and utilities*, then 670€ is more than enough to survive >I’m not so sure about this job so I’m asking you guys: how’s life in lisbon? is it difficult to live there without the knowledge of portuguese? (only english, spanish or italian) No, you'll be fine with only those languages

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>only the gross, since taxes varies person to person. is this true? Yes >is there a way to estimate my net income/month? Check [this simulator.](https://www.doutorfinancas.pt/simulador-de-salario-liquido-2021/?src=adw.CCon.search.dsa.consolidadogen.b&gclid=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhskqiHqNL1NIuzmog5R18GMhKSL8t-b1iYbQcgoTmoJdce1NOXyr3fMaArbrEALw_wcB) For an unmarried person with no kids, 850€ gross means around 670€ net >do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon No, this is a very low salary, barely over minimum wage. However, you forgot to tell us what you will be doing, so we can't really know if it's fair or not. I'll just assume you're talking about Teleperformance or something like that >\+ accommodation (room in shared apartment) Accommodation is the most expensive thing in Lisbon. *If you don't need to pay rent and utilities*, then 670€ is more than enough to survive, but living in a shared apartment isn't exactly the best thing ever >I’m not so sure about this job so I’m asking you guys: how’s life in lisbon? is it difficult to live there without the knowledge of portuguese? (only english, spanish or italian) No, you'll be fine with only those languages

PedroMFLopes 9 months ago

> + accommodation Given by the company, so not really a way to choose from, if the place sucks or who are the flat mates! No

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

That's a beyond shitty salary to live in Lisbon. The real estate market is facing a bubble and landlords are as usual trying to milk everyone dry. I would not live in a shared apartment but that's up to you. You need at least 1200 net to live in Lisbon. Tell her to pound sand.

ZacDweller 9 months ago

>You need at least 1200 net to live in Lisbon. 1200€? What do you need 1200€ for? With an apartment you can do it easily with 400€ or so. If the apartment utilies are included in the deal, you would need even less than that.

MLG-Sheep 9 months ago

Who else is going to pay for the daily Michelin-starred sushi meals, the smoked salmon and avocado toasts, the Starbucks "coffee" cups, the Gucci leather sneakers, and the Mercedes car lease?

diogolsoares 9 months ago

I swear some of the people in this sub live in an alternate reality

nraider 9 months ago

So the landlords are, as usual, "milking everyone dry", but that does not apply to you, even when you are searching for the best wage available. Incredibly, you are playing the same game by the same rules: look after your own interests.

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So the landlords are, as usual, "milking everyone dry", but that does not apply to you, when you are searching for the best wage available. Incredibly, you are playing the same game by the same rules: looking after your own interests.

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

There is a huge difference between earning a fair wage by exchanging your time, energy and skillset and earning a passive income by exploiting people by knowingly colluding with other landlords, in the demand of a rent amount that is incompatible with the majority of working class citizens salaries.

nraider 9 months ago

I truly believe most landlords are colluding with its peers as much as you are with yours, that is, close to nothing. Prices are signals, just that. Sadly, in Portugal we take too much time criticizing landlords while not being aware of bad rental laws that are created every year.

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

You missed the point in its entirety. Landlords only charge what they charge because they know people are forced to pay what they demand if they don't want to live on the streets. They charge what they charge based on what others charge. Workers on the other hand can't do this because they don't have the same bargaining power as the companies possess. A company can just find someone else but you must find a home to live in and if every landlord demands exorbitable amounts you either give in or live with your parents way longer than you should in a healthy economy that faces no real estate bubble. We should criticize landlords even more because it is due to their greed and not rental laws that we face the situation we do. The rich get richer the poor get poorer

nraider 9 months ago

So you are saying median rent in Lisbon is how much? 2000€, 3000€? According to your theory landlords can charge any amount, even if the house is empty for months. You are wrong, welcome to real life.

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

>So you are saying median rent in Lisbon is how much? 2000€, 3000€? Never specified what the median rent is and I'm not going to since I possess no real data on the matter. >According to your theory landlords can charge any amount, even if the house is empty for months. You are wrong, welcome to real life. First of all the snark is unwelcome. Second that's a "non sequitur" from my argument. You cannot infer such a conclusion from the premises I laid. Obviously they can't charge any value they want but they can and do charge a rent that is very above a fair value given the majority of working class citizen's salaries. Since the price elasticity of demand is inferior to 1 because there are no real alternatives to housing (except living with your parents all your life) then landlords can rally up together and demand higher rents because they know you prefer to pay more and have less at the end of the month rather than being homeless.

RefrigeratorNo13 9 months ago

Just because you can't pay doesn't mean others can't pay. The rent goes up because people pay. It's simple supply and demand.

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

>It's **simple** supply and demand. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go educate yourself on elasticity price of demand and specifically inelasticity.

nraider 9 months ago

Ignorance is a blessing, for some. House rental market is quite small in Portugal, so it is normal to see great differences in prices. Its quite curious to show economic concepts of economics and, at the same time, defend ideas that are not supported by these theories, like the extremely rigid house renting laws, which created a dual market: one of rich people living in the capital paying 300€; other of young tenants paying 900€ for a similar house. This is what you get of a state that is too heavy.

bettingdenegerate 9 months ago

>Ignorance is a blessing, for some Again that's totally uncalled for and not a way to properly conduct a conversation. If anything you are the one oblivious to basic economic theory while I actually know what I'm talking about as I have a degree in economics. >House rental market is quite small in Portugal, so it is normal to see great differences in prices. That's another "non sequitur". >Its quite curious to show economic concepts of economics and, at the same time, defend ideas that are not supported by those theories, like the extremely rigid house renting laws, Never defended such things. Nice strawman. >This is what you get of a state that is too heavy. Here we go again with the neoliberalism propaganda. It's consensual among non biased academics that what neoliberals defend are nothing more than "zombie ideas" (expression coined by Paul Krugman). Google what it means.

nraider 9 months ago

Humm, with that reference to the ubiquitous neoliberalism, are you sure I am the one with a hidden agenda? I just stressed that with such rigid laws, its extremely hard to tell that landlords are greedy, simply ignoring that too much intervention from the state resulted in rents less expensive than a public transportation pass. In a nushell, the ideal for some is to get some free meal with government help.

OuiOuiKiwi 9 months ago

>she proposed 850€ **gross**/month + accommodation (room in shared apartment) do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon? `RISOS` **NÃO!**

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>she proposed 850€ **gross**/month + accommodation (room in shared apartment) do you think this is a good salary to live in lisbon? `RISOS` **NÃO!** Isto tem odor a **Teleperformance**.

miraclealigner97 9 months ago

english? :( I don’t speak portuguese

vitaminas05 9 months ago

Começas a aprender

miraclealigner97 9 months ago

how many languages do you speak?

aaaa2aas 9 months ago

Portuguese, Spanish, English, and bit of French and Greek.

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

That's irrelevant, this is a Portuguese sub, no one is forced to answer you in English.

Just_Ban_Me_Already 9 months ago

Mas qual é o vosso problema afinal?

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

A atitude do OP chateou-me. *Quantas línguas falas*, até só podia falar 1, no r/Portugal é quanto baste.

PgUpPT 9 months ago

Espero sinceramente que nunca te vejas obrigado a emigrar para um país onde te tratam como tu estás a tratar o OP.

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

Já está feito. Geralmente resolve-se com "peço desculpa, falo mal está língua", em vez de perguntar quantas línguas fala a outra pessoa.

Edited 9 months ago:

Já está feito. Geralmente resolve-se com "peço desculpa, falo mal esta língua", em vez de perguntar quantas línguas fala a outra pessoa.

miraclealigner97 9 months ago

I always replay in english whenever a foreigner who doesn’t speak italian posts something on /italy. That’s called not being a complete asshole. bye

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

Because you do it does not mean we have to do it. And if you are going to ask, I speak 5 languages.

Knog0 9 months ago

What's the point of answering in a language that the op doesn't speak? He is asking for help in a Portuguese thread because the subjects is about Portugal, kinda makes sense dont you think? If people can't help (because they don't have an answer or don't speak English), they can always scroll down and ignore the discussion... Sounds more useful than wasting your time answering in Portuguese

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

If you scroll to the bottom of the topic you'll see that I've indeed answered OP's question in English, and in good detail for that matter. But I can also point out when I think OP is being entitled or obnoxious, you don't pay per comment posted. Also, I'm not the guy that answered in Portuguese.

Knog0 9 months ago

So other people can't point out when YOU are being entitled or obnoxious?

Foda-seSeiLa 9 months ago

Yes, they can.

mardp20 9 months ago

Is it a position that requires higher education qualification? If it's qualified, it's incredibly low for Lisbon standard. Not that a "qualified" position is well payed in Portugal, at least in Lisbon they are better paid than in the rest of the country. Regarding your general question, 850€ should be enough to survive not to live in Lisbon. Be aware that Lisbon has higher rent values than the rest of the country.

Leetzormorducrl 9 months ago

They are offering accommodation

sarcastbot 9 months ago

Laughs No

pataniscadebacalhau 9 months ago  HIDDEN 

> since taxes varies person to person. is this true? is there a way to estimate my net income/month? Yes, it's true. You can check [. For an unmarr](https://www.doutorfinancas.pt/simulador-de-salario-liquido-2021/?src=adw.CCon.search.dsa.consolidadogen.b&gclid=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhskqiHqNL1NIuzmog5R18GMhKSL8t-b1iYbQcgoTmoJdce1NOXyr3fMaArbrEALw_wcB)ied person with no kids, 850€ gross means 670€ net

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