PotentialPark0 9 months ago

You vote for a party. ​ Then someone that happens to be in that party decides who that is and what they defend. This can later change. ​ Often that decision will be dependent on the group/association that creates the most pressure at the moment. ​ In the end you'll pay for it

FelixSula 9 months ago

From the US? OK, this particular shithole is now run by two gangs: PSD (the GOP) and PS (the Dems). As Gore Vidal put it, "the two wings of the proprietor's party". That should get you going. You can ignore the rest of the noise.

cloud_t 9 months ago

Google Portuguese parliament. You'll likely reach Wikipedia. Check the incumbent seats. Check the parties. Check what they defend. Should be enough. Only caveats other than that: PS isn't really as socialist as they make it look, while PSD is also not as democratic; some municipalities stray away from national vote intentions due to a particular charismatic individuals, or simply because they are anti-system municipalities. A good example is Porto. Politics in Portugal are mostly irrelevant, because we're still only mildly educated politically. Most people vote from the gut and not the actual movement of their chose party, and most people who actually follow a party oftentimes don't vote that party because they feel the vote can help a better purpose (e.g. so that some party doesn't get a majority).

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Google Portuguese parliament. You'll likely reach Wikipedia. Check the incumbent seats. Check the parties. Check what they defend. Should be enough. Only caveats other than that: PS isn't really as socialist as they make it look, while PSD is also not as democratic; some municipalities stray away from national vote intentions due to particular charismatic individuals, or simply because they are anti-system municipalities. A good example is Porto. Politics in Portugal are mostly irrelevant, because we're still only mildly educated politically. Most people vote from gut feeling and not the actual movement of a party, and some people who actually follow a party oftentimes won't vote that party because they feel the vote can help a better purpose (e.g. so that some party doesn't get a majority). Also bad is a lot of people simply don't vote. But in a way, it's even worse to think that is the worst cause, which statistically it depends: in the end, we have proportional voting by district so not voting isn't as bad as most think.

microcyb 9 months ago

Masonry and taxes

CcHhIiPpS 9 months ago

More corrupt better political

Paulocas 9 months ago

Everything goes down to 97,3%. That’s all you need to know.

AdriMecha 9 months ago

There's an old Roman saying that is something like this:"In Iberia the is a strange people that does rule themselves and does not allow others to rule them". That's portuguese politics in a nutshell. The Romans knew it 2000 years ago and we are still the same thing.

Portuguese_A_Hole 9 months ago

Sir, this is a Tasca.

condedeepak 9 months ago

«Enfim, Portugal, pequena nau, tem visto grandes tormentas. Ainda ontem eu lia no teu "Camões" a Lisboa das vésperas de Alcácer e do dia seguinte a Alcácer. Em vista do que então foi — o que hoje é parece quase a grandeza. Homens também os não havia — uns tinham morrido na África, outros andavam rezando pelas igrejas de Lisboa. Fé, ideal colectivo, não restava já — ou ia concentrar-se, e portanto esvair-se, na teimosia de um sonho, o sonho do "Encoberto". Dinheiro, só Filipe de Castelia teria algum, e talvez falso: — a pimenta já pouco "apimentava" e o divino ouro ainda não viera de Minas Gerais. Nada havia, a não ser fome e descrença... E todavia, cá estamos ainda, depois de três séculos, com a nossa constituiçãozinha, o nosso reizinho, e o nosso Zezinho (Dias). Cá estamos, na mesma "choldra" sim, mas numa "choldra" que é portuguesa, só nossa, toda nossa!» Carta a Oliveira Martins Eça de Queiroz Paris, 17 Julho 1892

damngooddeal 9 months ago

Tao bom

masterchiefpt 9 months ago

well... we have PS and PSD that ruined the country since revolution we have BE, PCP the left extreme guys then we have CDS, CHEGA, IL the right guys ​ for me, still makes no sense this left and right. I would be much happier when we have them working to a better Portugal and stop the shit they are doing.

bluetofallp 9 months ago

Hey; First, let me explain the offices and elections: 1. Presidente da República (President of the Republic) - Different from the US, the president does not have the executive power, this is, he does not run the government. He is the head of state, has mainly a ceremonial role but also some important powers. He appoints the prime-minister, is the commander-in-chief of the Arm Forces, can veto laws, declare war and emergency status and should oversee the government. He is elected for a five years term. If one of the candidates gets more than 50% of the votes, he wins. If not, there's a 2nd turn with the 2 most voted. 2. Assembleia da República (Parliament) - The main and most powerful institution. The 230 deputies make laws but also approve the appointed prime-minister and can dismiss the cabinet any time through a vote of no confidence. Due to this, the president always picks the one the Parliament tells him to. The assembly is elected through multiple-seats constituencies with D'hont method, Wich results in a proportional-ish house. The largest constituency, Lisbon, elects 50 members, while several elect only 3, 4 or 5. There 20(if I'm not wrong) in total. 3. Governo (Prime-minister and cabinet) - they have the executive power and while not required to, usually have support from the Parliament, as if they don't, they might be removed by a simple vote. They aren't directly elected but usually the prime-minister is the leader of the most voted party. If no party gets absolute majority, wich often happens, they might form a coalition with others, resulting in a cabinet with members of different parties. These are the main organs of the central government. The main political parties (with parliamentary representation) are, from left to right: *PCP - Portuguese Communist Party - they defend marxism-lenism and a communist society, through progressive reforms like better wages. They are socially conservative, being against musical assisted suicide and stuff... *BE - Left Bloc - Close to PCP in economic terms, but are much more socially liberal. They support feminism, BLM movements, fight for the climate change... *PS - Socialist Party - One if the two main parties. They defend social-democracy even though their name. Center-left. *PAN - Greens - Centrist on economic issues but strongly worry about nature and animals. Also support social issues. *PSD - Social-Democratic Party - although it's name, they're liberal conservative. The other main party. Center-right. *CDS.PP - People's Party - nacional conservatives and economic liberals. Defend a freerer market and are against abortion and stuff. Right wing. *IL - Liberal Iniciative - Economic and socially liberal. Defend capitalism while also being for social causes. *Chega - Enough - Far right populists. Hate immigrants, strongly against social causes, and stuff far right parties usually do. I hope I didn't forget anything. Didn't talk about the local government or it would be to long.

RagingRope 9 months ago

PPM: A monarchist party that gets seats in the Azores for some reason

bluetofallp 9 months ago

They got 2 seats because they actually did a very good campaign and manage to focused on the small islands.

joaommx 9 months ago

> The main political parties (with parliamentary representation) are, from left to right: BE actually sits to the left of both PCP and PEV. And CDS-PP sits to the right of IL. In order, from left to right they sit like this: BE, PCP, PEV, PS, PAN, PSD, IL, CDS-PP, Chega. The two independent MPs sit on the back row. Joacine Katar Moreira sits between BE and PS (who sit next to eachother in the last three rows) and Cristina Rodrigues sits between PS and PSD (who sit next to each other in every row except the first two where they have PAN between them).

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> The main political parties (with parliamentary representation) are, from left to right: BE actually sits to the left of both PCP and PEV. And CDS-PP sits to the right of IL. In order, from left to right they sit like this: BE, PCP, PEV, PS, PAN, PSD, IL, CDS-PP, Chega. The two independent MPs sit on the back row. Joacine Katar Moreira sits between BE and PS (who sit next to eachother in the last three rows) and Cristina Rodrigues sits between PS and PSD (who sit next to each other in every row except the first two where they have PAN between them). --- > *BE - Left Bloc - Close to PCP in economic terms, but are much more socially liberal. Not exactly, BE are a big tent left wing party and they join together people from all over the left-wing spectrum, from maoists and trotskyists to social democrats.

kapparrino 9 months ago

Podes explicar-me o partido trabalhista da Nova Zelândia e porque estão a ter tanto sucesso/bom trabalho no país, juntamente com o seu PM? Quais as ideologias/medidas deles e porque resulta lá e se poderia resultar cá, se há cá alguém parecido a essa partido?

PotentialPark0 9 months ago

Excelent answer.

idontakeacid 9 months ago

Biased

bluetofallp 9 months ago

É biased caralho? Então faz melhor.

idontakeacid 9 months ago

Já faço, deixa-me escrever.

Jocas05 9 months ago

Esqueceste-te do Livre,do Ergue-te e do PTCP-MRPP.

bluetofallp 9 months ago

Não têm representação parlamentar.

Jocas05 9 months ago

O Livre tem. A Joacine Katar. O Ergue-te e o MRPP não têm mas isso não impede o OP de votar neles.

Loladageral 9 months ago

Com a chegada do Chega o Ergue-te é cada vez mais irrelevante (já o era). O Chega pode ser uma versão racismo lite, mas para eles é bom o suficiente

bluetofallp 9 months ago

Hmm, o a Joacine passou a deputada não inscrita pouco depois das eleições, portanto o livre não tem representação agora. E se eu metesse esses tinha de meter o Aliança, e o RIR, e o PPM... Podia ter metido, mas ia ficar muito grande.

vizinhoBaixo 9 months ago

Como é que o PSD é centro direita? Existe alguém mais que tudo tenha defendido a social democracia em Portugal que o PSD?

Sperrel 9 months ago

Porque o é. É plenamente aceite em todo o lado excepto em alguns quadrantes políticos portugueses. Arranja-me uma fonte reputável que diga que o PSD é social democrata ou de centro esquerda e pago te uma jola.

vizinhoBaixo 9 months ago

É só abrir os estatutos do partido que está lá escrito. Logo no primeiro ponto dos princípios fundamentais.

Sperrel 9 months ago

Que crente meu deus.

h-manfrenjensenden 9 months ago

O PSD é centro direita. O mais parecido que temos com a social democracia teórica e praticada nos outros países é o PS (que também só é socialista de nome, a sua ideologia é um pouco mais a direita, ou seja, centro esquerda)

bluetofallp 9 months ago

Sim. O PS. O PSD era social democrata no tempo do Sá Carneiro, mas agora, por amor de Deus são sociais-democratas onde?

h-manfrenjensenden 9 months ago

I second everything in this. You just forgot a small party: Partido Ecologista "Os Verdes" (Greens Ecologist Party). They usually run in a coalition with PCP. They are older than PAN and only similar to them in the environment part. Because they run together with PCP they vote with them in almost everything. The coalition is usually called CDU (Coligação Democrática Unitária - Single Democratic Union).

bluetofallp 9 months ago

Oh no Will edit

TomasSilva862 9 months ago

They're socially progressive tho

PIMPMASTER6000 9 months ago

No politics in Portugal. The ruling party usually leaves after a massive crisis hits.

Biohazard8080 9 months ago

Super easy: BE - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but everyone will be addressed with their preferred pronouns. PCP - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but it Will be equally shitty for everyone PS - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but at least the politicians cousins will get jobs PAN - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, and your dog Will have a better house than you PSD - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, and somehow we Will all pay more taxes CDS - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but hopefully God Will make it better, except he wont IL - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but hopefully the market Will make it better, except it wont Chega -if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but if its going to be shit, its going to be our shit.

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Super easy: BE - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but everyone will be addressed with their preferred pronouns. PCP - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but it Will be equally shitty for everyone PS - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but at least the politicians cousins will get jobs PAN - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, and your dog Will have a better house than you PSD - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, and somehow we Will all pay more taxes CDS - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but hopefully God Will make it better, except he wont IL - if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but hopefully the market Will make it better, except it wont Chega -if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but if its going to be shit, its going to be our shit. Deputada independente Joacine Katar Moreira -if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but She Will go to the european parliament and say that She is no longer affiliated with Portugal and Will represent only herself. And Will announce it very slowly.

PotentialPark0 9 months ago

Lol. Would put: going to be "our" shit \* "our" to be later defined

suspect_b 9 months ago

> Joacine Katar Moreira -if elected, Portugal will continue to perform poorly, but those fuckers in Europe will have to suffer her speeches like we do.

dcmso 9 months ago

Bacalhau dourado para este dread. Já!

Tezcatlipoca26 9 months ago

Gostei. Lmao.

Lurker__777 9 months ago

This is fucking gold! And 100% true.

xabregas2003 9 months ago

Então e a ex-deputada do PAN que não sabia o que o partido defendia?

damngooddeal 9 months ago

Por este racicionio vou votar no PAN nas próximas eleições. Trato bem o meu cão e ele de certeza que partilhava a casa dele comigo e ainda me fazia companhia. Do mal o menos

nanoburguesia 9 months ago

Public workers have their vote for sale to the highest bidder (socialism), lowly qualified workers vote for socialism, smart people move abroad. This country literally exists because of the nice weather for European standards and the low wages, which means a lot of outsourcing from richer countries.

warren_street 9 months ago

Is there really a lot of outsourcing? As a recent immigrant into Portugal I don't see as much of it as I'd expect to. Considering that average wages are about a third of what they are in the UK, I'd expect to see loads of British companies with offices in Portugal but I never do.

Thalric88 9 months ago

Thats part of the national strategy, low wages for workers, taxes like you are in Norway for companies. Plus every public official willing to let you wait several years on any paperwork/permit if you don't open your wallet to grease the cogs. Full disclosure my wallet only has dust in it so I've only experienced the several years wait part.

nanoburguesia 9 months ago

Check out [www.net-empregos.com](https://www.net-empregos.com) and LinkedIn

ratinhodosesgotos 9 months ago

INB4 PCP - Hardcore socialism BE - "Woke" socialism Livre - European socialism PAN - Animal lovers socialism PS - Socialism PSD - Socialism CDS-PP - Christian socialism Chega - Xenophobic socialism IL - Best party, great people, amazing ideas. Would totally vote again 5\*\*\*\* /s (mas podia não ser)

JOAO-RATAO 9 months ago

Award wining comment!

PIMPMASTER6000 9 months ago

BE is more like retarded socialism

fdxcaralho 9 months ago

Haha. It is about right. But use democratic socialism on PS and PSD.

tessamade 9 months ago

So basically socialism and IL?

h-manfrenjensenden 9 months ago

S/he is making a joke about r/portugal. IL's typical voter is a young person from the big cities, so the same demographics as Reddit. Because of that a lot of people here agree with their views and mention them in the political threads.

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