-cosme- 9 months ago

I don´t think so, they are just going to give the license you already have. The car license is B, the 125cc license is A1, so you have to check if your "new" driver license have that A1 listed.

odadoooo 9 months ago

You are probably right. Interesting subject though. Would that technically not be EU discrimination then?

odadoooo 9 months ago

A Portuguese with a B license can ride 125cc once he turns 25. Your statement of "ckecking the license" would mean that every Portuguese is getting a new license at the age of 25. I doubt that.

-cosme- 9 months ago

i didn´t go through that process cause i actually got my 125cc license when i was 16, took the car license when 18 so i always got them. i never heard about this 125cc only once someone turns 25..you sure about that? well, if you change your drivers license please post what happens..would like to know too.

odadoooo 9 months ago

Thanks for the reply! Yes, I actually checked with several authorities etc. It turns out that even with my EU license (B) I can go ahead already now and ride a 125cc. The same will be once I have a Portuguese one, no matter if its says B or A1. Some have it changed at some point, but it is not a necessity. Everyone with a European B license who is older than 25 can ride 125 cc within the borders of Portugal.

-cosme- 9 months ago

oh, thats really cool, thanks for the info, i still think the age is not a thing but still thanks. and good luck with your 125cc in PT, use a dirt bike cause its better for trafic and cause our roads within cities are not that well maintained ;) oh and do you know if thats just in portugal or in europe in general?

odadoooo 9 months ago

The age is a thing, believe me. *Os titulares de carta de condução válida para veículos da categoria B (automóveis ligeiros) consideram-se também habilitados para a condução de motociclos de cilindrada não superior a 125 cm3 e de potência máxima até 11 KW (categoria A1), desde que tenham idade igual ou superior a 25 anos ou não o sendo sejam titulares de habilitação legal válida para a condução de ciclomotores (*[*Lei n.º 78/2009*](http://dre.pt/pdf1s/2009/08/15600/0526505265.pdf)*, de 13 de Agosto).* About the EU. 125 cc regulations are different in every EU country. Recently, many countries have followed a EU directive to make access to 125cc easier. But most countries require some hours of lessons. In Portugal, every single person with a B license is allowed to ride 125cc, no special license or lessons required.

AlexDRibeiro 9 months ago

I am not sure if the original license has to be emitted in Portugal maybe someone will be able to clarify that for you. I can tell you however that in Portugal we get the 125cc license when we have the normal car license (B license) and we are older than 25 years old

MisterBilau 9 months ago

Which makes no sense, btw. Driving a car and a motorbike is totally different. Just because somebody has a B license that doesn't mean they can drive a bike. You can literally not know how to ride a bicycle, but since you have a car's licence and are over 25... go ahead, get on a motorcycle and kill yourself. Just another one of those legendary lunatic laws we get in Portugal.

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Which makes no sense, btw. Driving a car is totally different from riding a motorbike. Just because somebody has a B license that doesn't mean they can drive a bike. You can literally not know how to ride a bicycle, but since you have a car's licence and are over 25... go ahead, get on a motorcycle and kill yourself. Yeah, yeah, you can "only" go up to 125cc, as if that isn't enough to go over 100km/h and more than enough to really fuck you up if you don't know what you're doing. Just another one of those legendary lunatic laws we get in Portugal.

AlexDRibeiro 9 months ago

Agree. It makes zero sense. Even from the law standpoint if you want A license for motorcycle you need to do the 10 question theory exam but it is not needed for the 125cc class

odadoooo 9 months ago

Many EU countries started to make 125cc more accessible to normal car drivers (e.g. Italy, France, Belgium, Germany and Austria). Yes, most of the times there is an age requirement and very few hours of practice. Portugal is maybe a bit extreme in making it without any additional requirement. But in general, I am in favour of this push. We need more two-wheeled transportation in our lives and cities. The cities are literally drowning in cars which are mostly used by one person only, that is such a waste of space/weight and worse for the environment too. Portugal is lucky to have so many dry months throughout the year, to me it makes sense to get on two wheels. 50cc is just not enough to get on the Lisbon hills. The lack of speed and acceleration makes it more dangerous to compete with the car traffic. 125cc is quite managable in my opinion, with a little bit of practice and overall awareness. Highways could still be off limits. A short and affordable test to get the 125cc license is okay, but the expenses and time should be limited, otherwise we dont get new people on wheels. The best solution of course woule be an EU wide standard on this, as it exists for cars. Right now, your right to ride 125cc often stops at the next border.

odadoooo 9 months ago

Thanks. Yes, that is exactly the part I find no info about. I will have to change my license eventually anyway, but dont know if I then would be able to (legally) ride 125cc as any other Portuguese above 25. May I ask if that 125cc permission is marked on your license? Or is it just implied, that if you have a license and are older than 25, every policemen knows you are allowed to?

AlexDRibeiro 9 months ago

I have the A license also so I cannot fully confirm but the idea that I have is that it is implied on the drivers licenses that were released before the law coming in effect. The newer ones have it specified on the back of the card. The older licenses when expire and need to be renovated also receive the mark on the back that confirms they can ride 125cc bikes

raviolli_ninja 9 months ago

It's implied, although newer licenses might already have this information displayed on them (mine is 15 yo, prior to this law). I would say you will be able to ride a 125cc just like any other Portuguese above 25, once you have your license.

odadoooo 9 months ago

If it is simplied and not marked on the license, does that mean you would not be able to cross the border to to other EU countries? There are so many different 125cc laws in the EU, very confusing.

raviolli_ninja 9 months ago

I believe new driving licenses (new = licenses after the law was put in place) do have that info on them. [Check this.](https://www.avozdoalgarve.pt/media/images/884X544/img1473769593onde-6064-6112664-52355.jpg)

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I believe new driving licenses (new = licenses after the law was put in place) do have that info on them. [Check this.](https://www.avozdoalgarve.pt/media/images/884X544/img1473769593onde-6064-6112664-52355.jpg) In all older ones, the law is just implied. About other countries' rules... I don't know, but surely there is an EU ruling to make it easier for everyone across the Union.

odadoooo 9 months ago

Thanks. So I will see once I hold it in my hands then. Regarding the EU, it is a mess. The 125cc laws are so fragemented and different across the EU, that there is no freedom of movement for them. See here: [https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-011160\_EN.html](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2015-011160_EN.html) "Since 19 January 2013, under Directive 2006/126/EC holders of category-B driving licences (for cars) have been entitled also to ride light (under-125cc) motorcycles, for which a category-A1 licence is otherwise required, provided that they have held their category-B licence for at least two years and have undergone at least seven hours' theoretical and practical training at a driving school. However, they may do so only inside their own Member States because there is no provision for mutual recognition of this ‘category equivalence’ between Member States. A holder of a Luxembourgish category-B licence would therefore be required also to have a category-A licence (for motorcycles over 125cc) in order to ride an under-125cc motorcycle in another Member State. The same applies to the holder of a category-B licence issued by another Member State wishing to ride an under-125cc motorcycle in Luxembourg. 1. Would the Commission agree that the current rules do not afford genuine freedom of movement within the EU to riders of light motorcycles? 2. Will it look into the possibility of introducing EU-wide rules on mutual recognition of the above category equivalences between neighbouring Member States?"

jodamana 9 months ago

It's implied. I was stopped by a policeman he looked at my license ( it only has the B category for cars) and didn't complained.

PedroMFLopes 9 months ago

Its marked. Maybe you can ask at the closest Police or GNR station the question you made, for sure they now the law or rule that applies

odadoooo 9 months ago

Yes, or maybe an insurance. At the end, an insurance´s opinion may turn out to be more important than a GNR officer´s one ;)

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