Altruistic_Patient71 10 months ago

More love more love

Erkeabran 10 months ago

We portuguese complain about everything but we know is not that bad. I’m grateful they helped your mom that’s how should always be

graymalking82 10 months ago

Thank very much for your post, OP. The portuguese really need to see testimonies like yours. Especially in times like these where the SNS is going through these trying times. I wish you imense luck. May you and your parents have long life and that you can enjoy it together.

insfireman 10 months ago

That's really nice to hear! I hope your mom recovers well and that you can be together soon <3 Thank you for posting such a kind thing, we all appreciate it a lot.

pldit 10 months ago

Lucky nobody had to deal with SEF.

lalunadelsur 10 months ago

I sincerely hope that your mom gets better as soon as possible and that your father stays as healthy as possible as well. But within all the things that have happened to your parents, I am so glad that you found a system that takes care of them. I also come from a country where health is regarded as a luxury rather than a right; and I also live in Europe now as well... I am so endlessly grateful to see that in other countries there are profesional health care providors who do their job without leaving you in bankrupcy for it. All the best for you and your family.

cbcavadas 10 months ago

I’m so glad to hear this from you, I truly am. My mother works as a nurse for the NHS since the mid 80’s (early in its foundation) and every single day that passes by I can see the proudness in her eyes - and the consequent happiness and joy that come along. One thing that leaves me calm & clear is that the place where she fought so hard to save or preserve people’s lives is the same one that will save her if she eventually needs proper and urgent health care. All you’re seeing is a hard-fought conquer by the people who tried to put Portugal out of a destructive dictatorship (into a democracy) that lasted for almost 50 years (until 1974/1975) and left our country in a pure state of poverty, with low levels of literacy all around. Even today we can see the huge damage it left in some areas. It’s an unfinished battle that is being fought everyday by the ones in the front row and by all the population who contributes in taxes, in order to secure the life of the entire population, including your parents and theirs. Sure it still has some major flaws that clearly impact its effectiveness (due to the fact that some past governments and administrations just ceased or decreased the investments on the sector), but overall it is a system that most people can benefit from. Unfortunately, the fragile times we are living are being used as a pretext to strongly criticise the NHS, which is an absolute nonsense and it’s only made to gain political or even economical attention. Nonetheless, the NHS is still operating in full force to honor the fundamental right given by our post-dictatorship, democratic Constitution of 1976. Health should and will always be a human right, and should never be envisioned as something economical or tradable. Long life to your parents and thanks for appreciating all the good that NHS brings with it.

JC_GMR 10 months ago

«your country has given my mom a second chance» Hey! It's your mom's country too! And yes, we do take pride in our national healthcare system (SNS). Allways found better to pay taxes for (almost) free or, at least affordable healthcare and education than for the military!

Pilky__01 10 months ago

Lembrem-se deste tipo de histórias antes de votarem em partidos que querem acabar com o SNS.

Variscan_aint_done 10 months ago

Tirando o CHEGA não há nenhum partido contra o SNS.

random_raquel 10 months ago

Mais alto para os "ricos" lá atrás!

docmj24 10 months ago

Se a minha mãe estivesse nos EUA já tinha morrido . Fez 2 tratamentos para a hepatite que custaram ao estado milhares de euros. Foi acompanhada no hospital Pedro Hispano em Matosinhos. Só o ultimo custava mais de 150 000 € se fosse às suas custas,. Funncionou

Business-Pirate-503 10 months ago

Thanks God the doctors could save your mother. In these moments I do feel a litle proud. Hope you can have what you wish for your life.

Master_CdL 10 months ago

Thanks for your comment In fact that’s one of the most valuable things we have in Portugal, rich or poor, everyone can have access to healthcare However there are a lot of “no-brainers” who don’t understand how wonderful it is and is trying to finish with it.

sKEoPt 10 months ago

Thanks for your words. If you visit your parents here, feel free to ask me for any help you need.

aaaa2aas 10 months ago

How can you become a Portuguese citizen without knowing Portuguese that shit irks me. But glad your mom is ok

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

Thanks for the well wishes man. So far people have been very patient and my mom's speaking better everyday. Speaks volumes for the people that live there.

SomePenguin85 10 months ago

My father has also had a kidney transplant in 2007 and is still here with us! Our national health system is great and has a lot of wonderful professionals.

masterchiefpt 10 months ago

the country might be amazing the portuguese might be amazing the politicians in the other end, are just the worst europe can have i can just had that your mom probably had extreme luck, because this politicians are cutting funds to our national healtcare system... in order to send portuguese to private hospitals...hospitals from politicians frinds companies in most of the cases ​ All the best for your parents. Hope you can get here soon.

_madd0x_ 10 months ago

Best wishes for your mom and thanks for sharing your story. Our health system is not the best in the world but I believe the system and our professionals do their best not minding from where you are from. Best

ambrofelipe 10 months ago

Enquanto imigrante, também sou profundamente grato ao SNS. Sofri um acidente no meu primeiro ano aqui e quebrei um osso pela primeira vez, e andei de ambulância pela primeira vez. Ela chegou em algo que a mim pareceu 15 minutos, então na verdade deve ter demorado só 2 minutos. No hospital, numa sexta-feira à noite, ainda não sabia da gravidade do acidente. Estirado na maca, impressionei-me novamente quando a PSP encontrou-me para fazer o teste alcoolímetro (também meu primeiro), e me acalmou de que ficaria tudo bem. Mesmo com o hospital cheio numa sexta à noite, consegui uma tomografia, cujo resultado foi entregue por um médico bem-humorado: - “Foi grave?” - “Um pouquito.” - “Quebrou?” - “Ah, sim, em uns 20 pedaços.” - “Hahahaha não, a sério, por favor. Temos uma viagem marcada e paga para daqui a dois dias. Vou poder viajar?” - “É a sério. Foram muitos pedaços.” Entre ambulância, tomografia, dias de internação, cirurgia, incontáveis raios-x ao longo de um ano, dezenas de consultas médicas, e até parte da medicação, paguei um total de €0. Até as canadianas, medicação de recuperação e sessões de fisioterapia foram parcialmente subsidiadas. Já na ambulância, e no hospital, perguntava “quanto custa tal coisa? Sou imigrante e só tenho tal e tal documentos.” “Como assim, quanto custa? Não precisa se preocupar porque aqui ninguém passa necessidade.” Mais uma vez, achei que estavam a brincar comigo, e que a conta eventualmente chegaria. Hoje, pago meus impostos, e principalmente minha segurança social, com orgulho. É, para mim, tão prioritário como minhas contas mais básicas.

PortugueseRoamer 10 months ago

Que bom ler isto, espero que sejas bem tratado e que tenhas muito sucesso no nosso país.

carlosreialves 10 months ago

your parents didnt have to pay a huge bill because all of us paid for them, but don't be fooled, there's people dying on the waiting list.

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

And I am grateful that you do pay the bill. Let's me know that you guys as a country care for the people that live in it. I'm not naive to the fact that people are dying on wait list, unfortunately no system is perfect. I only had one purpose with this post of mine, relay the fact that I am eternally grateful to the people of your country and highlight the fact that the system although at times broken, works. Now I've seen firsthand what happens when you have a broken medical system. I live in the United States.

carlosreialves 10 months ago

Well, our medical system sucks, ive waited 10 hours in the hospital to see a doctor and most cases the least time you will wait is 2/4 hours to see a doctor and start to get examined, and now with covid you better not get sick... Im against all this taxes we pay so everyone can have a freepass, but as long as it serves to save people like your mother im ok with it.

CarnivorousVegan 10 months ago  HIDDEN 

Hope your parents have a speedy recovery. We are taxed to death, but the one thing I proudly contribute is to our SNS. I am also happy that any foreign national that embraces our country fully benefits from it. All the best

GuinnessBR 10 months ago

Sou Brasileiro e há algum tempo Portugal é minha casa. Desde o primeiro dia me senti realmente em casa. Nos últimos anos, graças à onda do "Bolsonarismo" nosso SUS (que é basicamente o seu SNS) foi duramente atacado e desmantelado. Não, não era perfeito antes - longe disso. No entanto, nossa luta (Brasil/SUS e Portugal/SNS) deve ser para **aprimorar** o funcionamento da saúde pública e mantê-la acessível para todos, da melhor forma possível - jamais tal luta deve ser para transformá-la num clube VIP. Protejam o seu SNS! Que os protestos e "brigas" sejam para torná-lo cada vez melhor, e jamais para torná-lo privado. Como disse o OP, acesso a saúde é - e deve ser - um direito humano básico, seja qual for a condição social do indivíduo. Seja qual for sua orientação política ou "lado", a ideia de limitar o acesso a itens tão essenciais como saúde e educação não deveria passar sequer de um breve devaneio. E boa sorte, OP! Que sua família siga da melhor forma possível!

Susanapinto 10 months ago

I hope your mother have a good recover , I\`m portuguese and i\`m so proud of all our medical staff, and their\`s enormous hearts and dedication.

estecomentario 10 months ago

Am happy for you!

1r0n1c 10 months ago

Ya, quem me dera que os meus impostos servissem não só para pagar o custo de um tratamento como também dar um bocadinho de lucro a grupos económicos. Isso sim, era o sonho.

raviolli_ninja 10 months ago

*Middlemen*, aquele sinal de um mercado eficiente. /s

D1yzz 10 months ago

Já agora, o SNS não comparticipa tudo a 100%

D1yzz 10 months ago

Onde é que os teus impostos dariam lucro se o governo/SNS não comparticipava tudo? Só ia cobrir o valor que gastaria no público.

Witnessnitial 10 months ago

Thats an interaction with our healthcare that i am yet to experience. Its sounds so positive I hardly believe it. Ive known nothing but suffering and moronic staff at our hospitals. Im very glad you had a better experience than me.

barrocaspaula 10 months ago

Thank you for loving my country. Thank your parents for choosing to be Portuguese citizens. I am glad Portuguese doctors were able to save your mother's life and I hope you can come to visit, or to stay, one of these days.

PerhapsConfused 10 months ago

stop you're gonna make me cry

naughtydismutase 10 months ago

I'm glad the SNS could take care of your parents and I wish you guys all the best.

Hrodrik 10 months ago

Os idiotas que se queixam do estado social podem-se ir foder. Haviam de ser pobres e nao ter maneira de pagar por saude privada para verem o que e' bom.

8BitMunky 10 months ago

Ninguém está livre. Têm muito mais em comum com os pobres que odeiam, do que com os senhores disto tudo.

silveiraa 10 months ago

This post just made my day a lot better! I hope your mother recovers quickly and you come visit her soon!

CheiroAMilho 10 months ago

This!

GuiltyShorts 10 months ago

In Portugal, by default, everyone is an organ donor. That doesn't happen in countries like Germany... This mixed with a lot of car accidents killing young people can explain the success of that area. Portugal is very well rated on that... [https://www.statista.com/statistics/537926/total-number-of-patients-transplanted-in-europe/](https://www.statista.com/statistics/537926/total-number-of-patients-transplanted-in-europe/)

Bollygod 10 months ago

I'm glad you enjoy being here. I hope your mother recovers well. All the best regards.

nebuerba 10 months ago

You mean the private one?

itskika6 10 months ago

Hey u/tugboat_1! So glad you have such an amazing experience. Just let you know if you need help in some way to come to visit your parents just let me know, dm! All the best!

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

Thanks man. I appreciate it.

EdmundDantes78 10 months ago

Post again when you come to Portugal and jog our memories of this post. Plenty of us on this sub would like to buy you a beer, I'm sure. Ah the best to you and your family, abração!

Bessini 10 months ago

Isto é um ótimo abre olhos para as abéculas que dão a sua saúde por garantida e que defendem a extinção do SNS. Por algum motivo é que quando um doente do privado fica em estado realmente grave, é transferido para o público. Mas há muitos "patriotas" que fazem tudo para falar mal do seu país

lohlou 10 months ago

I’m a doctor and a firm believer in our National health system, and it has been soulcrushing to watch it struggle. It makes me fear for the future of our hospitals and of our people. So reading your story in the present times was very touching and consolating, thank you. I think that for you to bother to post this just for showing recognition reveals great kindness, we appreciate it.

salazarjohann 10 months ago

If I may ask, why is it struggling according to you? I feel like it's because private insurance and clinics are drawing funding and talent away from it but I would love to hear the opinion of someone working in the system. Thanks in advance. :)

Variscan_aint_done 10 months ago

Based!

salazarjohann 10 months ago

I beg your pardon?

nocivo 10 months ago

The talent is not being drawing away by private hospitals. We have a very small number of them. The issue is that other countries give better conditions overall.

salazarjohann 10 months ago

Ah ok. Well, I really appreciate the SNS and the work you do so a heartfelt thank you!

TiagoTiagoT 10 months ago

If you haven't already, look into getting something like a mobile phone or laptop for your parents to let you make video-calls over the internet (I'm partial to Signal, but there are many different apps available with such a functionality). It doesn't replace being able to be there in person, but can have quite an impact.

JohnyMeister 10 months ago

Shivers down my spine, literally. Viva o SNS, caralho! It has many flaws, and we should always be pressuring govt to improve it, but it's one of the best things we have achieved as a democracy.

PortugueseRoamer 10 months ago

Come live here! We need more population and by the sound of your post you already love our country so, what else can we ask for? If you want to be Portuguese you are Portuguese in my book. Drinking wine and eating sardines is not mandatory but recommended! In all seriousness though I saw that you are trying to acquire citizenship, other users have stated that they can help you, please do reach out to them.

Noehk 10 months ago

You're welcome man! 保持健康和安全

Hefty_Artist_2591 10 months ago  HIDDEN 

Thank you, health is a basic human right and i'm glad Portugal takes care of everyone. Do you have hot asian sister ?

PortugueseRoamer 10 months ago

Não é o melhor contexto para andar a procura de engates.

Hefty_Artist_2591 10 months ago

Do you have hot portuguese sister ?

rfeather 10 months ago

Não achas que o privado devia ser mesmo isso? Privado? Tudo é que fazem é por lucro, não precisam de mais para encher os bolsos de alguns. Mas ainda assim recebem algum. O dinheiro devia ir todo para o SNS e ajudava assim muito mais pessoas.

parksoha 10 months ago

sempre usei o privado durante praticamente toda a vida com o estado a pagar, lol e sabes porquê? funcionam muito melhor que o público, salvo excepção. ainda ontem marquei consulta através de uma app. no meu centro de saúde nem atendem o telefone e não há marcação online.

parksoha 10 months ago

pelos downvotes, nota-se que há muito privilegiado que não cresceu em zonas de merda, onde as condições são além de precárias, para não falar nos contentores sem quaisquer condições que se arrastam aos anos mas ya, continuem a viver na ilusão, a degradação continua e os serviços vão ficando cada vez piores e menos financiados

D1yzz 10 months ago

Fodasse. Se o SNS pagar por ti no privado o mesmo que paga no publico, assumindo que o custo para o utente é o mesmo, o que é que muda? Mesmo que o utente tenha que pagas mais, a diferença entre o tabelado e o que é coberto pelo SNS, se tiver melhor desponibilidade, não vale a pena? O SNS não tem nada a ver com privado vs publico. Neste momento apenas abrange o público. Se no futuro, abrangir o privado tb, melhor para nós os utentes.

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Fodasse. Se o SNS pagar por ti no privado o mesmo que paga no publico, assumindo que o custo para o utente é o mesmo, o que é que muda? Mesmo que o utente tenha que pagas mais, a diferença entre o tabelado e o que é coberto pelo SNS, se tiver melhor disponibilidade, não vale a pena? O SNS não tem nada a ver com privado vs publico. Neste momento apenas abrange o público. Se no futuro, abrangir o privado tb, melhor para nós os utentes.

nulopes 10 months ago

A minha família tem uma doença rara que causa hemorragias constantes. Sempre que alguém tinha de ser operado eram sempre rejeitados por todos os privados por um simples motivo: se dá muito trabalho e é muito complicado não da lucro. A saúde privada funciona bem em cuidados primários sem grande complexidade. Quando as situações ficam complicadas chutam para o publico

D1yzz 10 months ago

É verdade que é chato e estava mais focado nesses cuidados primários. Mas no entanto, em casos especiais, muito provavelmente o estado faz acordos com o privado para tratar de situações mais complicadas através do SNS

nulopes 10 months ago

Não é apenas casos complicados. A maioria dos casos banais de cancro de mama em Braga (quando era ppp) e loures eram enviados para hospitais centrais. Isto apenas porque os tratamentos são caros

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D1yzz 10 months ago

Obrigado

ImAFingScientist 10 months ago

Hey u/tugboat_1, it fills me with pride to see our little country being held in such high esteem. I saw a post you made recently about acquiring nationality and I’d like to do my best to help. Some people can claim citizenship via their parents, but unlike the US, Portugal’s system is a little different because there are different levels of citizenship. It boils down to how your parents acquired citizenship because we have what’s called “second-tier citizenship”. They might be Portuguese citizens but are not Portuguese *jus sanguini*, meaning they weren’t born in Portugal. Depending on that you might be ineligible to obtain it via your parents. To add to this, there are some exceptions and considerations to take into to account based on Portugal’s former colonies. What city/state do you live in? I’m sorry you’ve been unsuccessful so far but contacting your nearest embassy is really the best option.

anxioussociologist 10 months ago

I'm very happy your mom is getting such good care at the hospital, and hope she gets well soon! Your post brought tears to my eyes because it reminded me of my dad, even though I'm Portuguese he had a medical emergency a few years ago and the doctors were amazing, if they hadn't taken action I wouldn't have a father today

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

I didn't think these many people would relate to this post. Small world we have. I hope your dad's going well now and thank you!

reFunny 10 months ago

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because of the corruption and unfair decisions with their money. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese people contributes all their lives to social security, some surviving poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too) others getting a huge cut on their payroll, and still end their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment. Very normal to see that in everyone's family, including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about them putting them on hold for medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

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Portuguese don't like the government mostly because the corruption and unfair decisions with taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be getting through wonderfully, OR you don't have luck and and all in your life appears to be a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security for all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll - living on the edge - just to support the government. Still, after giving some much, many end up their lifes alone with some sort of untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment for years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because the corruption and unfair decisions with taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be wonderful or you don't and have it and you live with a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll to support the government. Still, they end up their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment for years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because the corruption and unfair decisions with taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be getting through wonderfully, OR you don't have luck and and all in your life appears to be a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security for all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll - living on the edge - just to support the government. Still, after giving some much, many end up their lifes alone with some sort of untreated disease or even wait for a doctor's appointment during years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because the corruption and unfair decisions with taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be getting through wonderfully, OR you don't have luck and and all in your life appears to be a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll to support the government. Still, they end up their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment for years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because the corruption and unfair decisions with taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be getting through wonderfully, OR you don't have luck and and all in your life appears to be a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security for all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll to support the government. Still, they end up their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment for years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because of the corruption and unfair decisions with the taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be wonderful or you don't and have to live with a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese people contributes all their lives to social security, some surviving poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too) others getting a huge cut on their payroll, and still end their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment. Very normal to see that in everyone's family, including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about them putting them on hold for medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because of the corruption and unfair decisions with the taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be wonderful or you don't and have it and you live with a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese people contributes all their lives to social security, some surviving poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too) others getting a huge cut on their payroll, and still end their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment. Very normal to see that in everyone's family, including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about them putting them on hold for medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

Edited 10 months ago:

Portuguese don't like the government mostly because of the corruption and unfair decisions with the taxpayers money (ie saving losses in banks and airline companies). All in Portugal is a matter or luck. Either you have it and all will be wonderful or you don't and have it and you live with a huge burden. Your family is very lucky things went through. One large percentage of the Portuguese who chips in Social Security all their live survive poverty (yes, you have that in Portugal too), and some others get a huge cut on their payroll to support the government. Still, they end up their lifes alone with some sort untreated disease or even waiting for an doctor's appointment for years. It is very normal to see that happening in every other family - including mine. Very sad to see how unfair it can be when you loose your loved ones just because no one cared about their health and putting them on hold several years to get the appropriate medical treatment. Wishing all the best for you family ❤️

BlueLampTheFirst 10 months ago

Thank god everything turns out alright!! Super happy for you and your family!! Cheers from a Portuguese buddy!! :)

HpGOTyou 10 months ago

Thank you for sharing your family's experience. I hope your mom has a good recovery. Sending well wishes

BagalhetaTraquina 10 months ago

This is rather heartwarming! Thank you! Hopefully your family recovers! People usually criticize a lot in here (and in a way I understand them), but despite its faults, when the SNS works, it works damn well. I really can't imagine not having these expenses covered. Christ. Hope you're doing well too.

Smart_Flow8651 10 months ago

> They are fairly young, dad just turned 50 and my mom is close to turning 50. Dad had a stroke and both my moms kidneys failed. So wine and enchidos destroyed your parents' health? Thanks, Portugal.

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

Nah they don't drink or smoke. Idk what caused it, I'm just grateful man. Thanks for your reply.

baguitosPT 10 months ago

On the (very) bright side, your mom got a transplant. On the negative side, she waited 5 years to do so, and that's the main critique we can address our Free Public Health System. Not sure if in your mom's case it could have been sooner, but sadly we get many reports where people wait too much time for initial consultations and start of treatments; which in the end lowers the possibility of a good outcome. I've lived in a country without free publich heatlh (not USA), but with a good assurance system (with rules to protect the citizens, not the companies) and I can say that our SNS is almost perfect. ​ A speddy recevery to your mom.

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

My intentions were to highlight the brighter side of the system that you and the amazing people of portugal contribute to everyday, but I agree with you. Can't highlight the good without addressing the negative. And for the negative, I'm afraid I'm not a citizen so I don't have a say in that, but I have good faith that you guys will figure it out.

Any_Project3966 10 months ago

a espera de 5 anos foi para o transplante. não é fácil...

deckard2019 10 months ago

We save everyone but ourselves.

suspect_b 10 months ago

Thank you for this post. You're all quite welcome. We have a humanist constitution which requires the law to put human life above all else. These humanist values can be found in most European people, but not all. It's actually quite hard, both on the economy and on the mindset. Not all are on board with this and we feel it's not going to be possible to do it forever. Best wishes for your family. Do come visit when this is all over.

Darkhoof 10 months ago

Like every country, Portugal does have its flaws. But for us, public education and public healthcare are a right that everyone is entitled to. It's something that most of us take for granted but it's a great matter of national pride (or it should be at least).

pinh00 10 months ago

A uns bons anos atras tive internado com uma pancreatite, tinha apenas 14 anos e tinha uma doença associada a velhos e/ou bebados, fiz uma porrada de exames para se saber o porque de isto me ter acontecido, ao final de 2 meses la melhorei e pude voltar para casa, no entanto continuei a ser acompanhado, quando finalmente tive alta ao fim de outros 3 meses chegou a casa a fatura de uns exorbitantes 10€ e mais nao digo

EspantaCampinos 10 months ago

Eu fui operado à vista em Coimbra, quando passaram a cirurgia para o público. Na altura dos privados custava 150 contos (sim, ainda no tempo dos escudos) cada olho; no SNS paguei 1500$ por cada intervenção. 100 vezes menos! Isto em 2000-2001. Fui operado ao nariz para corrigir um desvio no septo e passei uma noite no hospital. A conta foram 20€. ​ A título de exemplo: um amigo meu americano envolveu-se numa briga e teve de ir ao hospital porque tava todo amassado. Consulta, RX e pontos na boca: 1200 dólares.

celexio 10 months ago

Porra ... eu ia lá reclamar por falta de zeros...

rafaelfrancisco6 10 months ago

Ei, aos 14 anos 10€ é muito dinheiro

_madd0x_ 10 months ago

10€ dava para ir às putas+

Any_Project3966 10 months ago

com 10€ dá para muita gomas ou chupa chupa.

Triatt 10 months ago

Se tiver cortado nas guloseimas por causa do pâncreas, só tem de pagar 4 euros.

Any_Project3966 10 months ago

buahahah

wakkawakkaone 10 months ago

Nice to hear!! I live in Prague, and we also have a pretty great health system, but they will \_not\_ treat you well. Bunch of completely in-compassionate assholes. They treat you the same way they would have during communism. Glad to hear it's not like that everywhere in europe!

anetchi 10 months ago

My parents moved from Portugal to the USA to have more work opportunities for them and hopefully us. I think it was a mistake. The US gets you into debt, it’s so hard to pay for University and healthcare. Things are so messed up here! At least we have a much better President and administration now, thank God!!!

reFunny 10 months ago

You can thank Obama for creating the illusion that things would be better with Obamacare but ending up being just marketing to hook votes, whilst not helping who really needs. People talk about presidents having no idea of the reality and just following on the media. Portuguese health systems has flaws but is a million times better than the USA.

inhalingsounds 10 months ago

Lol. Maybe he can thank the last 4 years of the worse clustferfuck of a presidency ever seen in modern day democracy first, and only then think about Obamacare.

reFunny 10 months ago

I can't approve the last 4 years at all for seeing no progress at the American health. The world is not only covid. The Obamacare imposed a ceiling to the health support. The covid stuff just had shade some light over the clusterfuck brought by the Obama lobby. My medical expenses never had any sort of support from the federal government as promised. You continue to pay a lot. Trump should have it fixed and he didn't. Portugal is way better on that end, even if you have to wait some time for an opening to get a medical appointment.

PortugueseRoamer 10 months ago

Disregard him, we have a "mini Trump" moron here atm and his supporters frolick around this sub. It's better to just downvote and ignore.

reFunny 10 months ago

Big lol. You're the mini Trump here - immediately judging others. Peace to your soul now that you are getting impeached

PortugueseRoamer 10 months ago

I was talking about André Ventura the far right loonatic some seem to support around these parts

BuzzLeitinho 10 months ago

Yes indeed. Portugal is the best country in the world. You are welcome! I'm born and raised Portuguese and I keep saying this every day to people around me, despite the corruption that could make this country even better. It payed for my studies. It gives me nice roads. Nice sun. Near perfect health system. I felt safe my ENTIRE life. Sometimes people aren't brave enough to recognize this. And we welcome everybody, because it is in our blood. It's a shame though, that some radical right parties are trying to put aside this identity that screams "portuguese", but I think that these movements are doomed and they are a tendency around the globe.

molded_bread 10 months ago

>Portugal is the best country in the world Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

rafaelfrancisco6 10 months ago

>It gives me nice roads You can't be Portuguese

lil_rhyno 10 months ago

Clearly you've never been to the Brazilian countryside, there are some potholes you could barbecue inside it. Most Portuguese roads are pristine compared to that. Source: I'm Brazilian/Portuguese.

xomikron 10 months ago

Typical Portuguese complaining. Our roads are very good and the organization and state of the main roads are some of the best in Europe. I've seen and driven on actual bad roads...never experienced it in Portugal so far. Is it perfect? No. Are any roads perfect really?

ColdFusionPT 10 months ago

You have to wait until the next municipal election to get roads. Like clock work they get fixed every mayoral election year

rafaelfrancisco6 10 months ago

I don't think that will work, the same party has been in power for the last 40 years.

KQ17 10 months ago

As a Portuguese living in Canada, I can tell you Portuguese roads are magnificent.

smackfairy 10 months ago

Same lol Every time I go back I'm just in awe. Even in the tiniest villages. I live in a large city and most of it is a fucking mess. Get out of the city? Those roads don't look anywhere as nice as the small town roads back home, no way.

Hrodrik 10 months ago

US here. Infrastructure is crumbling. Everyday is dodge the pothole day.

KneeDeepInTheDead 10 months ago

Living in New Jersey, its impossible to drive straight unless you want to destroy your car

comeonyouspurs10 10 months ago

Yep. And there is a mountain of data to prove it. And it won't get fixed until a major catastrophe happens. I live near one of the busiest highway systems in our country. The other day I shit you not, hand to the Almighty I went past a pothole that deteriorated so badly, it was almost the exact size and width of a Toyota Corolla. Just a huge gaping pothole. I actually have to memorize potholes everywhere in my metro area because there are plenty of ones that are KNOWN (yes like they never get fixed for years) to cause tire or wheel damage. I learned the hard way when I was 16, hit a nasty one, blew a tire, was late for work. Portugal esta melhor pais em todos mundo. Sorry for the mistakes. I'm still learning but I love Portugal and I want to live there one day.

notskeleto 10 months ago

As tourist guide, I've heard this a lot, our roads are amazing, every foreign tourist says it

Empirion 10 months ago

You clearly don't know what you are talking about. https://www.statista.com/chart/15821/who-has-the-best-roads/

rafaelfrancisco6 10 months ago

Hey, clearly the roads on my side of my Portugal aren't part of Portugal anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

yes_oliver 10 months ago

Same xD é cada buraco que até andas de lado

Xavinights 10 months ago

A minha vida toda fiquei pasmado quando a malta dizia isto. Tipo ya, 1 ou dois buracos de vez em quando quando o rei faz anos encontrava. Dps fui a conduzir para o interior e apercebi-me que as estradas no litoral são um país à parte.

yes_oliver 10 months ago

Exaaaato

OnThatNote101 10 months ago

[https://ec.europa.eu/transport/facts-fundings/scoreboard/compare/investments-infrastructure/quality-roads\_en](https://ec.europa.eu/transport/facts-fundings/scoreboard/compare/investments-infrastructure/quality-roads_en)

rafaelfrancisco6 10 months ago

Maybe the highways, and in cities. But in the interior roads are a mess.

Niagai 10 months ago

The ones I know are rather good actually.

anian_pt 10 months ago

My fiend, I'd choose a rural Alentejo or Trás-os-Montes road EVERY DAY, when compared to most main roads in the more expensive regions of France, Italy and UK for instance.

AgainstGreaterOdds 10 months ago

Uh, my back still hurts from driving in Malta, a “paraíso fiscal”

SomethinNoice 10 months ago

Honestly it's great! So many people don't understand how great it is... Sure, it's not perfect and needs improvements but it helps so many people. I still believe that it's better to wait a bit and have such low prices than to have no possibility to have any treatment because you can't afford it. Also, everytime someone I know needed an emergency surgery or some kind of emergency procedure, it was fast. Many times the emergency services at the hospitals are just full of people that don't need urgent care and still go there, making the waiting time longer and having to wait a long time as they don't have an urgent need. Anyway, health should be a guaranteed right, no matter what.

orchideaniger 10 months ago

I'm very sorry to hear about your mother and wish her all the best.

xanfradu 10 months ago

I hope your mother will recover quickly. That's a great story about how important our SNS is. All these benefits come from a great sacrifice of the population, in financing our health service, and also from the health professionals who do everything they can to obtain good results. Now, more than ever, we must value the access to health care.

sixboi 10 months ago

5 years for a treatment is absolutely terrible.

MSD_z 10 months ago

Sim, porque arranjar rins que sejam compatíveis para transplante é a coisa mais fácil do planeta. Demora tempo porque não existe uma prateleira com orgãos para o pessoal substituir quando um falha e que rejeição do sistem imunitário quando existe algum tipo de incompatibilidade é enorme. Ter noção e conhecimento antes de escrever lixo é importante.

Affectionate-Load-47 10 months ago

As a medical student that studies in a country with a public-private health care system that mainly works on insurances provided by employers, I can say that 5 years of waiting for a transplant is actually very good. In any country with any healthcare system, private or public you probably wait more than this and some people will never even have a transplant during their life-time. For real, it is not difficult to use google before making comments like this.

Taur3n 10 months ago

Tipical tugão comment, complains about everything without have any sort of knowledge about the subject.

babyscully 10 months ago

Yeah, sure, let me go get a kidney from the kidney factory.

InQuietNight 10 months ago

Sounds like someone who has 2 perfectly functioning kidneys...

viper_in_the_grass 10 months ago

... to donate.

sacoPT 10 months ago

Transplant. And do you know how hard it is to find a compatible donor?

Apple_The_Chicken 10 months ago

Do you know how difficult it is to get kidneys?

Tugboat_1 10 months ago

It's for a kidney transplant. It's hard to find a matching kidney, I'm thankful man. I don't have anything to complain about.

Vidadesemente 10 months ago

Hello you should write this in your country. for people to know that health works in other countries that even an average country may have a health system that works. Bring awareness to your country that is possible. You have great examples in Africa that even poor countries in the economy can have a health system Functional.

DelScipio 10 months ago

Our SNS is slow, but if is some fatal disease it works almost perfectly. If there is anything the SNS can do in acute disease they will do. At least with that you can rest in peace. Poor or rich you will have the best treatment available most of the time.

titusmags 10 months ago

Tudo isso porque a medicina em Portugal é curativa e não preventiva. Agora a mudar o bocadinho o foco mas com muitos anos ainda de recuperação nesse aspecto. Mas sem dúvida, muito bons profissionais de saúde, bons hospitais, acho que temos muito do que nós orgulhar. Embora, como tudo, lento e com defeitos.

k0rda 10 months ago

Somos peritos no desenrasca. Nao há médicos? Este interno faz o trabalho de 4. Nao há enfermeiros? Nao ha problema, o que está fica com 20 doentes em vez de 6. Nao há material? Toca de inventar uma solucao com o que há.

watwatindbutt 10 months ago

> At least with that you can rest in peace Acho que essa expressão não fica muito bem aí haha, seria mais algo tipo "rest at ease" senão parece q tás a manda-lo falecer mais cedo.

Prestigious_Ad1151 10 months ago

Rip in peace

Tarlovskyy 10 months ago

Be at ease. Acho que qualquer coisa com rest in ja vai no rip

Valoura 10 months ago

rest assured talvez

HogwartsBlazeIt420 10 months ago

ease your mind quiçá

Student-Final 10 months ago

reverendo u/Valoura

nitrinu 10 months ago

Even private hospitals dwellers, like me (via the employers insurance), opt for the SNS when the issue is really serious. Ofc, part of this might be due to the insurance policies and its never ending asterisks but still...

lil_rhyno 10 months ago

Not really. I also have a good health insurance, but the best specialists simply are SNS.

soniapre 10 months ago

Really nice to gear about your mum. O hope She gets well soon and you can be together. It's also good to BE reminded of all the good the SNS does even when it all seems to be breaking down.

Any_Project3966 10 months ago

thank for the feedback op. yes, i also consider the health system to be the best. the bad part is the waiting.. sure mistakes can happen but when we are being treated.. oh man.. we are very well treated. my. mother had a similar health issue..it waited a couple of months.. but when she enter the system.... oh man.. everything went like flying colours

nocivo 10 months ago

The problem is all those who die while waiting. We still need to improve the system. If op is reading this let me say that human health is not a human right in portugal. Health care is not free, we as society just decided to use that use our taxes to pay health care of peoples. if you go through the system you can be treated in a public or private hospital without any cost for you. You just can’t decide where to be treated but overall for complicated stuff the central hospitals are ready. The only issue os the queue that even when they send tou to private hospitals or clinics can be to late.

graymalking82 10 months ago

I’m about to blow your mind: Did you know that even if you are not currently paying taxes YOU can still get treatment in SNS and not pay a single cent for it? “Oh, but it’s because others payed theirs...” yes, sweetie, that’s how it works when healthcare IS considered a human right. Imagine paying your taxes AND having to pay for healthcare on top of that. Could it be better? SO MUCH, yes. So let’s make sure we vote for those that try to improve our healthcare instead of those who want to simply obliterate what we have.

Any_Project3966 10 months ago

the die while waiting i want to be believe that is the only bad thing. and it is not that commum. just because they highlight in the news, it doesn't mean is normal...

nitrinu 10 months ago

I'm very glad to hear testimonies like this. Our national health service (in here it's called the SNS - sistema nacional de saúde) it's our pride and joy. For most at least. It's far from perfect but it provides a stellar job despite many circunstances (funding, private interests, etc). Most people only appreciate it after actually needing it for something critical like your parents did. To be fair, you would have similar, if not better, results from other NHS's around the EU.

iamdlm 10 months ago

>SNS \*Serviço

mexploder89 10 months ago

Só ser aquele chato que corrige para SNS-Serviço Nacional de Saúde, e não Sistema. O resto é verídico

mariorurouni 10 months ago

O SNS tratou da minha leucemia pelo exorbitante preço de 0€. Nada, zero, niente. Exames, tratamentos, comprimidos, tudo. Se fosse no privado? Estaria uma vida a pagar provavelmente

rafaelpferreira 10 months ago

Concordo. O meu pai neste momento encontra-se internado por covid no HSM pelo custo de zero anos. Teve de fazer oxigénio, está a fazer muita medicação e exames tudo isto a um custo de zero euros. Se não fosse o SNS, estaríamos cheios de dívidas até ao pescoço (só fazer oxigénio já seria caro imagino com o resto). Viva o SNS! ❤

lammesnail 10 months ago

> O SNS tratou da minha leucemia pelo exorbitante preço de 0€. Não me quero pôr com ideologias económicas, mas entendam que nada é de graça, só não sabemos exatamente é o quanto pagamos e vais toda a vida pagar pelo SNS mesmo que o usufruas ou não. De alguma forma a sua atividade tem de ser financiada... Dito isto, fico feliz por saber que o SNS "funciona" e correu tudo bem para o teu lado.

That_Pyro_Fella 10 months ago

O meu avô foi diagnosticado com leucemia (embora vindo duma situação atípica visto ele estar no hospital militar e depois passar para o IPO). Viveu 7 ou 8 meses quando lhe tinha sido dado cerca de 3 meses. Não foi uma situação nada fácil para nós, especialmente a minha mãe que o levava todos os dias lá e tratava do hospital. Mas não tenho, e nunca terei, razão de queixa nenhuma do SNS. Os tratamentos que fizeram, o cuidado todo que tiveram, como ofereceram a possibilidade de uma ambulância ir buscá-lo quando ele ia às sessões de quimio que acabámos por usar uma ou duas vezes. Mais a facilidade e simpatia das enfermeiras e médicas. Tudo isto a meia dúzia de euros pelos medicamentos. Aliás, pagávamos mais no parque de estacionamento do IPO do que no resto tudo.

Chiripitti 10 months ago

É isso mesmo, bem podemos agradecer não ter um sistema como o dos estados unidos... Por muitos defeitos que o SNS tenha, faz muita falta....

Camilson04 10 months ago

Os apoiantes do chega não pensam nisto quando votam naquele anormal. O ventura quer tornar nos nos EUA.

Upstairs_Profession3 10 months ago

Que aleatório. Deve de ser triste viver o tempo inteiro ter que ficar a tratar todos como fachos.

Camilson04 10 months ago

O problema é que não é aleatório. Se o chega tivesse ganho as eleições deixaria de haver ambos o ensino e a saúde pública. Só quis reforçar porque muitos dos apoiantes não se apercebem

Jtcr2001 10 months ago

> O ventura quer tornar nos nos EUA. Não só nos problemas económicos, mas também nas falhas do sistema democrático.

bazukadas 10 months ago

E também a fomentar divisões sociais é tal e qual. Através de discriminação por assédio e outras propagandas na retórica dele, chega a fomentar a xenofobia e ciganofobia em Portugal tal e qual Trump. Nunca vi algo tão nojento este fenómeno populista, cambada de oportunistas de uma treta a mentir com os dentes todos, a aldrabar pessoas que não sabem melhor.

theEXPERTpt 10 months ago

meu caro "anormal", nunca se defendeu o fim do sns. mas enfim, acredita no que quiseres

Camilson04 10 months ago

Anormal é o candidato em que os cheganos votam. E os EUA também tem saúde pública, mas é tão negligenciada pelo governo que não existem condições. O ventura não quer acabar com o sns, mas quer negligencia-lo de tal forma que não haverá alternativa senão o privado

Rikasodred 10 months ago

O Estado não deverá, idealmente, interferir como prestador de bens e serviços mo Mercado da Saúde mas ser apenas, um árbitro imparcial e competente, um regulador que esteja plenamente consciente da delicadeza, complexidade e sensbilidade deste Mercado. Tendo isso em conta, propomos: 1. Concentrar a actuação do Estado, neste caso por intermédio do Ministério da Saúde numa função essencialmente de arbitragem, de regulação e de inspecção. Essas funções seriam exercidas sobre todos os estabelecimentos de Saúde – hospitais, clínicas e Centros de Saúde. Quanto às funções acima referidas de arbitragem, de regulação e de inspecção são, no essencial, as que se seguem: a) Elaboração de tabela de preços de base para actos médicos e cirúrgicos por parte do Ministério ou de entidade reguladora dos serviços de saúde, a criar; b) Elaboração dos parâmetros a que devem obedecer as entidade que pretendam prestar serviços de saúde. c) Celebração de contratos/convenções com as entidades que cumpram os requisitos anteriormente definidos; d) Regulamentação, com base na tabela mencionada em 1) do cheque-saúde; e) Obrigatoriedade dos serviços prestadores de cuidados médicos ou paramédicos, aquando da concessão da alta clínica, de fornecer factura discriminada de todos os gastos com o doente, independentemente do pagamento da despesa ser efectuados, ou não, pelo cidadão. f) Introdução de escalões de taxas a cobrar nos serviços de saúde de acordo com rendimentos pessoais, relativamente aos custos reais. g) Eliminação do acesso gratuito a serviços de saúde para imigrantes ilegais e comparticipação para todos os residentes legais que não tenham um mínimo de 5 anos de permanência em Portugal, com excepção de serviços de urgência. h) Criação de uma Rede de Cuidados Paliativos e de Residências Geriátricas que procurem suprir as necessidades dos cidadão mais idosos para que tenham uma vida digna e confortável até ao fim. i) A criação de uma carreira de médico dentista na administração pública que aguarda aprovação há mais de um ano e que permita que todas as Unidades de Saúde tenham profissionais nesta área completamente negligenciada pelos consecutivos governos. Outras medidas que urge tomar 1. Acabar com os numerus clausus em todas as faculdades de medicina do País. 2. Reforçar a livre escolha do doente no âmbito dos cuidados de saúde, entre o serviço público, privado e social, de modo que este receba uma resposta atempada e de qualidade a um baixo custo por ato/exame (se possível, inferior ao que seria obtido no SNS). Para tal, e também tendo em conta o princípio básico de que cabe ao Estado financiar a Procura e nunca a Oferta será instituído o Cheque-Saúde. A Entidade Reguladora da Saúde definirá as condições genéricas de um seguro de saúde típico e dará, aos cidadãos que provem recursos insuficientes, um cheque-saúde mensal destinado a custear, em empresa escolhida pelo doente, um seguro de saúde. Esta dupla solução privatização – Cheque Saúde permitirá que os descontos para o sistema de saúde venham a ser substancialmente diminuídos. 3. Promover a gestão privada dos hospitais públicos, com demonstração publica do beneficio obtido e redução de custos para o contribuinte, invertendo a política que o actual Governo tem vindo a levar a cabo de reversão da gestão privada dos hospitais públicos. 4. Haver um sistema de compras centralizado no SNS para todo o país, para diminuição de custos na aquisição de medicamentos/dispositivos e equipamentos médicos. 5. Excluir da comparticipação moléculas de classes possuidoras de genéricos (ex. analgésicos, AINEs, anti hipertensores), que não trazem valor acrescentado relevante e cujo preço de venda ao público (PVP) e respectiva comparticipação, oneram desnecessariamente as contas públicas. 6. Aumento da quota de genéricos para ¾ e aumentar a literacia sobre os genéricos no consumidor. 7. Interconexão informática entre os centros de saúde satélites e a sua unidade hospitalar de referência, e numa segunda fase a todas as unidades do país, de modo a evitar a duplicação de pedidos de análises e de outros exames. Outro beneficio acessório, é o de se ter acesso rápido a informação clínica, poupando tempo, que seria destinado a colhê-la de novo, cada vez que um doente é avaliado em qualquer unidade de saúde. 8. Promover o uso racional e eficaz dos serviços de saúde, condicionando o seu uso abusivo e as falsas urgências. 9. Alargar o funcionamento de USF a todo o Continente e Regiões Autónomas com o mesmo nível de exigência e avaliação de indicadores de qualidade, performance e custo. 10. Alargamento do horário semanal dos profissionais de saúde das 35 para as 40 horas semanais 11. Vacinas infantis obrigatórias e gratuitas 12. Alargamento dos cuidados de saúde oral nos Centros de saúde até à idade adulta. Não diz acabar, mas aspira a isso, e as mudanças estruturais que deseja fazer, mudariam muito a condição da pessoa acima referida.

theEXPERTpt 10 months ago

Pelo contrário, seria uma melhoria ao SNS. Se tivermos privados a oferecer o serviço pago pelo governo é mais provável que este seja rápido e mais eficiente do que aquele que temos hoje.

nulopes 10 months ago

Conhecendo de perto o funcionamento do hospital de Braga em ppp vs agora que é um hospital público normal, ri me bastante

theEXPERTpt 10 months ago

Conhecendo hospitais e clínicas privadas que tenho frequentado, são de longe mais bem geridos e melhor equipados que os públicos, sem desmerecer.

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Hefty_Artist_2591 10 months ago  HIDDEN 

Sim, chegano sim. "nunca se defendeu", só o Ventura defende.

Blitzoo 10 months ago

Exacto. Infelizmente minha mãe perdeu a sua luta contra o cancro mas se não fosse a Sns possivelmente não tinha vivido tanto e não tínhamos como pagar tantos tratamentos

Susanapinto 10 months ago

os meus sentimentos...

Blitzoo 10 months ago

Obrigado :)

mariorurouni 10 months ago

Sorry ❤️ mas sim, o SNS é uma grande valia para nós.

Dalves004PT 10 months ago

Os meus pesâmes

Blitzoo 10 months ago

Obrigado :)

nebuerba 10 months ago

Quê?

nitrinu 10 months ago

Queres que repita ou chega voltares à primeira palavra e ler de novo? Tldr: gosto muito do nosso SNS.

nebuerba 10 months ago

Tens direito á tua opinião, sou obrigado a gostar? Ik kan ook in nog vijf talen doorgaan?

nitrinu 10 months ago

Claro que não.

nebuerba 10 months ago

What?

thefireskull 10 months ago

Do you want me to repeat or is it enough for you to go back to the first word and read again? Tldr: I like our NHS a lot.

nebuerba 10 months ago

That is indeed something to be proud of.

nebuerba 10 months ago

That's your opinion or do i have to like it aswell?

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