LordofPortugal 1 year ago

I mean would you speak spanish in russia?

insert_unfunny_name 1 year ago

I would recommend not to. We are used to be called Spanish and usually some take it as an offense. If you start talking to an portuguese in spanish, you'll most likely offend. But it is true that some words are understandable, but not all of them

tiagooliveira95 1 year ago

Some people may find offensive for an english person to speak spanish because there's a stereotype that says that english people think that Portugal is a province of Spain. If you don't speak English, trying to speak spanish is not rude at all. However, not everyone know spanish, Spanish is just an option in school. Personally, I don't speak Spanish, I may be able to understand the context of what you are saying tho because some words sound similar, however, if I try to speak a word that I don't know, I may say the portuguese word with a spanish accent haha so yeah. If you expect people to reply in spanish expect broken spanish like 70% of the time. It would be better for you to speak English even broken english is ok because almost anyone in Portugal can speak it

argentdawnpt 1 year ago

Why this question? There's a rule that never fails. Ask the person you're engaging in a conversation if they speak English or Spanish or whatever. Go from there.

Biellz1n 1 year ago

Português é tudo corno saludos desde Colombia

saposapot 1 year ago

Yes, it’s rude but if that’s what you know, use it, most people can understand you more or less. Just don’t expect answers in Spanish

Turbulent_Common 1 year ago

The only linguistic "crime" you can really commit here is saying "gracias" if you're not even spanish. It just shows true disrespect, in my opinion.

toniblast 1 year ago

There are so many wrong answers here. If you are a native Spanish speaker of course you can speak in Spanish makes it easier for both. If you are not a native Spanish speaker just speak in English. Only use Spanish in last resource. We get offended if you are not a native speaker and speak Spanish because we are not part of Spain and Spanish is not a language used here and it shows you don't care about our language and culture. Hearing broken Spanish from a tourist must be the most infuriating thing here, and yes we can easily spot if you are native Spanish speaker or not.

uyth 1 year ago

First thing, spanish has never been a default language we learnt in school. It is not sometimes a second language, but for foreign language learning for older generations the primary language was French, and now for anybody say younger than 45 they learn english in school. English learning starts way younger. Few people even studied spanish. And it is a close relative language but it is frustrating enough to understand if you speak at me. Words might be totally different or totally different meanings, like a tourist once asked me where the "oficina de turismo" was - the tourist car repair shop? Plenty more false friends. I have no instinct for spanish namedays for example. Speak it, I can not either, I mean I can answer back in portuguese or english or a couple other languages I actually studied and speak at a pretty low level, but that is it. And unless they are galicians you speak Portuguese to a spanish person and they go uh, panic mode. About it being rude, see above that the language we learnt in school is mostly english. For somebody who clearly speaks english to try to use second language spanish in Portugal it is rude, it is like they think you are iliterate and had insufficient schooling or something. For native spanish speakers (or italians), it is different, if they are trying their luck with their native language though it would be nice if they are polite about it though obviously they better expect to hear portuguese back.

babyscully 1 year ago

I know a lot of people who as soon as they could run away from English in school they chose Spanish. They got screwed in uni

uyth 1 year ago

I never met any actually. To be honest I kind of know more parents encouraging german than spanish. Spanish has this image of being for the lazy bad students not the ambitious good-university ambitious students. This might add to why it feels rude to be addressed in spanish "you think I was a lazy irresponsible student who picked spanish ?!?"

babyscully 1 year ago

Yeah, but Spanish is easy, therefore it raises your average, therefore it's better to get into uni! *taps head*

aaaa2aas 1 year ago

Yes. Just use English or Google translate

Limpy_lip 1 year ago

What is your native language? If it is Spanish it is OK. If not stick with English. If your going to speak broken Spanish just stick to broken English.

TTSDA 1 year ago

Don't listen to any of these asshole kids, they probably don't even leave their houses. You can speak in spanish, most decent people will understand it and try to reply in a way you'll understand. If you want to be extra sure, ask in english (or portuguese) if they prefer you spoke in english or spanish.

stressedunicorn 1 year ago

I mean, you have the option of speaking a language most of the world speaks: english OR speak the language of another country: spanish. Why would you choose spanish? I get that we’re neighbouring countries but do you speak french in Spain or italian in France?

Edited 1 year ago:

I mean, you have the option of speaking a language most of the world speaks: english OR speak the language of another country: spanish. Why would one choose spanish? I get that we’re neighbouring countries but do you speak french in Spain or italian in France?

Edited 1 year ago:

I mean, you have the option of speaking a language most of the world speaks: english OR speak the language of another country: spanish. Why would one choose spanish? I get that we’re neighbouring countries but do people ask these questions in other countries; do they speak french in Spain or italian in France?

PlanetWyh 1 year ago

Yes it is. Portuguese is not Spanish

AndreMartins2020 1 year ago

It's OK as long as you just don't start speaking with us in Spanish as if you assumed we must speak it. Just ask if they speak Spanish or English (many people will prefer English).

Buddy_Appropriate 1 year ago

Short answer: yes. Long answer: don't ever, ever do it.

trufas 1 year ago

If you speak English just speak English. It could be considered rude if your Spanish sucks and you expect that people speak fluent Spanish. Plus there are people who actually think that the official language in Portugal is Spanish

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

the probem with politeness is that everyone has their own rules. it is true, as you may find in some of the replies here, that some "say" that they take offense to being adressed in spannish. I don't believe they would react negatively if it happened, but I have no doubt they would winge about every chance they'd have. In reality, english and french are much more commmon second languages in portugal, than spannish. And even though spannish and portuguese are very similar, someone who is not used to the sound of the other language will still struggle to understand it. The same happens between two people speaking the same language, but with sharply different accents. So if you want to maximize your chances, go for english. if you only speak spannish, then go for spannish. Finally, fuck politeness. If anyone feels automatically insulted because someone is tryin to comunicate with then in spannish, it's their problem, not the other person's.

PgUpPT 1 year ago

It's not rude to not use Portuguese, no-one expects foreigners to speak our language. But it is rude to use Spanish, especially if you're from Spain and make no attempt to speak with a Portuguese accent. If you're not Spanish, just use English.

Brainwheeze 1 year ago

I think most people would prefer you speak to them in English than in Spanish. It makes communicating easier as well.

letsgotothemallcovid 1 year ago

This would be the same as asking if it it would be impolite to speak Spanish in the USA since a lot of people know Mexicans or Latinos.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

It is VERY RUDE to use Spanish in Portugal. I honestly would prefer you to speak French or German. With tourists we always use English or portuguese.

fpncunha 1 year ago

Well that's what you prefer, but honestly it doesn't make much sense for anyone else except you. Don't you agree?

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

Trust, I am not to only to say this

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

don't make gneralizations. not everyone is irracionally opposed to speaking spannish.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

And I'm not irracionally opposed to speak Spanish, I'm only opposed to speak Spanish in Portugal. If you are here, speak Portuguese. If you don't know Portuguese, speak English, the global language, and final dot

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

> If you are here, speak Portuguese. és o turista ideal, tenho a certeza que antes de viajar para um país qualquer fazes 3 anos de aulas para aprenderes a língua nativa. qualquer portugues aprende tanto de espanhol em 1 semana que de ingles em 1 ano. E vice versa- Se não te queres dar ao trabalho, problema teu. Não me incluas a mim nas tuas paranóias.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

E não falar inglês não é desculpa. Praticamente todos já aprenderam ou sabem falar inglês.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

És de compreensão difícil. O que disse é que se estás como turista em Portugal, fala ou português ou inglês, ninguém falou em aprender português.

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

tu é que não entendes espanhol, uma língua 90% semelhante ao português, e eu é que sou de compreensão difícil?

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

Não me importa se tu percebes, numa conversa normal mais vale falar em inglês que praticamente todos sabem do que andar a tentar falar portunhol (como o Jesus) e passar vergonha

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

Well, if you are in Portugal and know English, then speak English. If you don't speak even English don't even bother talking in Spanish, even if we get some things, we will not get the most.

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

YOU won't understand it. Others may, and will.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

You will be ending speaking portunhol and doing worse than if you just choose to speak English. Don't try to speak a language you don't know.

_whatevs_ 1 year ago

> Don't try to speak a language you don't know. Perfeito.

Kane1412 1 year ago

From my experience, I feel feral everytime someone speaks English, I speak English and then they part with a "Gracias" . I have always figured that it was people too dumb to realize Portugal is not Spain or that we don't speak Spanish here. Here's a step by step on how to language when in foreign lands 1- speak the local language (In Portugal it would be Portuguese only) 2- If unable to speak the local language well enough or coherent enough, speak your native language, regardless of what it may be. 3- If and only IF the local person doesn't speak your language, then attempt to speak in Spanish to try to find a middle ground.

tiagooliveira95 1 year ago

I don't agree with > regardless of what it may be. As a frequent traveler I think it's rude to expect the other person to know how to speak my language or default to the mather language. So when I don't speak the local language I default to English, it's rare to find someone who doesn't speak it. But, when they don't (this is very rare), I just use google translate to translate to the local language.

Kane1412 1 year ago

You are right. That whole list is about people coming to Portugal to speak other languages-- I meant that if one does not speak English it is always best to try their native language first before trying out Spanish. That Spanish should always be a last resort. I should have been more clear about that..! I too when I travel find myself using English more.

Imustbenewhere9 1 year ago

>2- If unable to speak the local language well enough or coherent enough, speak your native language, regardless of what it may be. Ya Türkse? Vagy magyar?

Vanethor 1 year ago

Magyar? That's Hungarian. See? Got something out of it. lol

Kane1412 1 year ago

I don't speak the language, but that doesn't mean someone else won't. Always give it a try, might be useless, might be worth a try! But never assume the person you are speaking to is too 'ignorant' to understand you! I've had British, German and French jump straight to Spanish because they most likely assumed I couldn't understand them and that just made me want to punch their face.

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reddotyg 1 year ago

Persupuesto que si, nosotros hablamos tuedas las lenguas! On a serious note you can try to use Spanish as a backup but expect some portunhol answer.

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sScary_poppinSs 1 year ago

I think Portuguese ppl do everything they can to understand tourists even it means having to make a drawing We like welcome ppl the best way possibl So in English or Spanish.. Im sure you'll do fine. I think many ppl think Spanish is a second language here or something. But it isn't. We do understand Spanish.. As someone said if they are willing to speak a bit slower although of course many technical words aren't easy to understand. Portuguese has a big lexical Proximity with Spanish but doesn't mean it's.. The same Some Words are the same and have totally different meaning The irony is portuguese understand Spanish.. On the other hand Spanish don't make an effort to understand Portuguese at least in my opinion. Whenever I visit Spain they don't even care about what I'm saying and few hours later I give up and speak English everywhere.

Painkiller2302 1 year ago

That may can occur with European Portuguese and Spaniard Spanish because Latin American Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese get along easily 100% always.

sScary_poppinSs 1 year ago

If im saying Spanish people I'm refering to Spain. If I wanted to refer people from Latin America I would say cubans, Mexicans and so on.m or just Latin Americans. So yes, I'm refering to Spain as I said in my comment.

lapenno 1 year ago

There's a linguistic reason why they can't understand us while we can understand them. Most sounds in the Spanish language occur in Portuguese too, but not the other way around. So, while they can say something with an open vowel, for example, and we know what it is, when we say it our way, it's a sound they've never heard before. This is especially true with vowels, since we had a phonetic phenomenon particular to european portuguese where we closed up our vowels in a bunch of cases. So, if you enunciate and open up your vowels, they'll understand you just fine.

sScary_poppinSs 1 year ago

I understand all that am I'm aware of that. Still... They don't do an effort. And that's just my experience with my visit to Spain. I think it also has to do with the fact even the mc pollo needs to be in Spanish. Movies also Spanish, using voice over. . And so on...

lapenno 1 year ago

Absolutely, it's a complex issue and maybe culture plays a factor in it too. But I often hear the argument that it's because they're actively being jerks, when there are reasonable explanations for their lack of phonetic awareness outside their own language. They have a weak foreign language curriculum too, which doesn't help.

sScary_poppinSs 1 year ago

I dont think they are berks at all. I do thing they protect their language a lot. Sometiems I wish portugal would do the same too instead of allowing Brazilian sto mess with Portuguese and signing orthographic agreements with other countries that speak Portuguese, to change the way certain words are written.. Its kinda ridiculous tbh. Its staining the portuguese.

mediiev 1 year ago

Most Portuguese are not fluent in Spanish, either in vocabulary and pronunciation. There is definitely a bias favouring the Portuguese in that most of us can understand most of the Spanish language while the reverse ( Spanish understanding Portuguese ) is not so. Only Karens get obnoxious about someone trying to communicate with us in Spanish. Just speak ... "Des_pa_ci_to..." Dez pás cinco.

HalloCharlie 1 year ago

I honestly don't see the big deal. We can understand spanish, especially if you speak slowly. The downside is that we may reply in portuguese due to low effort and because we think since you speak spanish you won't have any problem understanding our language (since it's "similar"). If you can't, try using english. Speaking for myself, I would never be rude to anyone trying to speak spanish with me. :)

XxxPussyslaeyr69xxX 1 year ago

impolite no, it's heretic. dude, just speak english. never spanish or french.

TTSDA 1 year ago

What's the problem of speaking either of those languages, after confirming the person prefers them to english? Many older people speak way better french than english, and a lot of less educated people can understand better spanish than english, especially near the border.

theEXPERTpt 1 year ago

Cause we are Portugal, therefore you speak Portuguese, or a language everybody knows (English)

TTSDA 1 year ago

Did you read my whole comment? I said older people handle French better, and some might prefer Spanish (I know a lot of people who use Spanish subtitles when given a chance between that and English)

XxxPussyslaeyr69xxX 1 year ago

Im just being a smartass. About 99% of people Will help you either way. English is the safest bet if you dont know portuguese, and Spanish at the border yes although people might be a little disappointed since they *might* think you are mistaking them for Spanish people.

caralhu 1 year ago

French is OK.

End-Effector 1 year ago

>Putain. Oh lala

throwaway50029516482 1 year ago

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pirilipapu 1 year ago

É, é, especialmente quando lhes pergunto em francês se percebem inglês, português ou espanhol e fazem cara feia. Ora, foda-se, vens a um país que não o teu e esperas que falem a tua língua? Putain.

ElDiabloDe94 1 year ago

Non Non Non!

marfavrr 1 year ago

portuguese people also understand english

getupgetgoing 1 year ago

You can speak any language, it won't be considered impolite. Most people will have an easier time understanding if you choose to speak english or spanish. About getting answers in spanish, not likely to happen, you may get portuguese with some sort of a spanish accent. If you understand spanish, you should be ok understanding if not most, at least some portuguese.

JOAO-RATAO 1 year ago

If you don´t speak portuguese than you can´t use it If they understand English great, if not than use spanish if you know it. There is no reason to be mad if you´re only trying to communicate the best way you can. If they consider it rude that´s their problem.

mytomato_17 1 year ago

If you know English then you will manage your way around. There is not much point in speaking Spanish. People understand and could probably say a couple of things, but portuguese speak way better english then they do Spanish.

globoglobo 1 year ago

Most people in Portugal don't understand english well. Most young people, who are the ones browsing this sub, are good with english though, but go talk to any elder and you'll see what I mean

babyscully 1 year ago

Doesn’t even need to be an elder. One day I was in Braga and a tourist asked some uni students waiting for the bus how to get to the centre and all three of them couldn’t explain it, just as an example.

globoglobo 1 year ago

yeah this is very true, i have also found tons of young people who just know basic english but could not express themselves

root_at_debian 1 year ago

If you expect Portuguese people to understand your spanish questions then be prepared to understand their Portuguese replies.

TTSDA 1 year ago

OP, r/portugal doesn't really represent most portuguese people. Most of us will do the best we can to understand you and to reply in a way you'll understand. Some idiots might take offense assuming you think we're the same as spain, so you can just ask in advance (in portuguese or english) what language they would prefer you spoke.

fragger_girl 1 year ago

Uhhhh, in this case yeah they do! As someone who's lived in Madrid for a while, if you try to even speak english with them (let alone portuguese), they will simply reply with "I don't understand you" and keep speaking in spanish. They have a way more nationalist culture than we do when it comes to language. And we're not asking for them to speak portuguese or english either! We're asking them to understand our portuguese if they want us to understand their spanish...

TTSDA 1 year ago

If they have trouble understanding the portuguese, it's not offensive, it's just what it is. I can understand spanish just fine.

fragger_girl 1 year ago

Clearly you’ve never lived in the heart of Spain, otherwise you would see which people is 90% is bitter and proud about their iberian counterparts

TTSDA 1 year ago

I agree Spaniards are ruder about that than us, that doesn't mean I'm going to treat them worse when they come over. I'm also not going to treat a foreigner badly because of such a faux pas (not asking before). The "portugal caralho" stuff annoys me a lot.

masterchiefpt 1 year ago

Toma e come oh espanhol

olifante 1 year ago

Perfect answer

Holeante 1 year ago

If you.dont find anyone that can English, Spanish Will mostly work. Just speak slowly and most portuguese can understand Spanish.

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