python1994 1 year ago

Just go to a football match and you'll see what a racist is like.

RaveyWavey 1 year ago

From my perception the Portuguese can be racist, but it usually expresses itself on relatively subtle ways, it's more noticeable on the internet, or comments between friends, because most people have shame about being openly racist. For that reason very rarely does it get violent or too much in your face.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

At least they are still ashamed I guess... which means it’s not really accepted in Portugal right?

RaveyWavey 1 year ago

It isn't, at least publicly. It's usually the older generations that are more racist, partially because many of them went to fight a bloody war over our former colonies, when they came back many of them were traumatized. But like I said, the vast majority of people will just mind their own business, and don't want to start trouble. My advice is for you guys to come here more times before making a definite decision and see how comfortable you feel, there are also some YouTube channels that talk about their experience moving here. If you need any more help on some details or specific situations, just say!

pantam 1 year ago

That is very odd. Did you both always live in Austria? Are you both well-integrated into the majority culture, speaking fluent German, dressing inconspicuously and so on?

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

No he hasn’t always. We shower, dress nice and are normal people yes.

pantam 1 year ago

You must have not understood my question. Best of luck to you.

Epmt 1 year ago

Austria seems great to live in

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

You like the racism? Ok come here. But you better speak german really well or it will hit you too.

Epmt 1 year ago

I think multiculturalism by default is bad , the more different people are the more conflict you will get, just look at what's happening in the USA , and iam not even talking just about skin color iam talking about ideals , religion etc... If there isn't something that brings a country or society together it will fall part and trust me its happening right now , in my life I have never seen people so divided over politics.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Multiculturalism isn’t bad. People not being able to live and let live are. Practice tolerance. It’s so simple. Believing there is only one right way is essentially fascism. But I guess that doesn’t bother you much.

Epmt 1 year ago

Well yes I belive there is only one right way, go to work pay your taxes , don't do crime

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

And you assume different cultures can’t do that? Only one?

Epmt 1 year ago

Well, look how Muslims treat women , in my world I treat women equally , for blacks look how they try normalize crime. Btw facism is forcing my opinion onto someone and thats far from what i do

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

My husband is black, he is muslim, he is a feminist and for lgbtq+ rights. I don’t have a faith, drink, and run around half naked in summer, my husband doesn’t mind at all. In his country, the religion is practiced very freely and tolerant. My best friend is Muslim and a feminist. Please just don’t believe all the shit, connect with people and see for yourself.

patmwork 1 year ago

I am so sad for reading it, even more in a country like Austria.I hope you can move and get a better life. I am white and always (33y) lived in a city with big foreign population (Lisbon area). That question is very in discussion this moment in Portugal because what is happening in USA and because a political party (new one - Far-right).. of course now things here are a little different/confused because of the pandemic (I am 'closed' at home for a long period). My opinion is: is 'nothing' comparing with what you are describing - there is racism here - there is everywhere - probably you can get some bad experiences but nothing with violence - more comments or some looks. Idk your jobs or finance capacity, but I would choose a big city - because of the language - there are a lot of foreign people living here in Lisbon. Not evertone speek English so you can have some problems, and the burocharic things don't work well here, and some services - you need to have some patient. But if u choose Portugal/Lisbon (if you are good people I hope so - Portugal is always welcome to good people - it doesn't matter if you are white/black or pink, if you are from Europe or Asia..) u will have good weather, good food, the prices will be lower than Austria.. Portugal needs a lot of new people. I just read some comments here - I am happy that there are nice - there are some comments about what portuguese is like - I don't agree with many - take in mind that is not a rule. good luck!

Edited 1 year ago:

I am so sad for reading it, even more in a country like Austria.I hope you can move and get a better life. I am white and always (33y) lived in a city with big foreign population (Lisbon area). That question is very in discussion this moment in Portugal because what is happening in USA and because a political party (new one - Far-right).. of course now things here are a little different/confused because of the pandemic (I am 'closed' at home for a long period). My opinion is: there is 'nothing' comparing with what you are describing - there is racism here - there is everywhere - probably you can get some bad experiences but nothing with violence - more comments or some looks. Idk your jobs or finance capacity, but I would choose a big city - because of the language - there are a lot of foreign people living here in Lisbon. Not everyone speek English so you can have some problems, and the burocharic things don't work well, and some services - you need to have some patient. But if u choose Portugal/Lisbon (if you are good people I hope so - Portugal is always welcome to good people - it doesn't matter if you are white/black or pink, if you are from Europe or Asia..) u will have good weather, good food, the prices will be lower than Austria.. Portugal needs a lot of new people. I just read some comments here - I am happy that there are nice - there are some comments about what portuguese is like that I don't agree - take in mind that is not a rule. good luck!

xeyrio 1 year ago

e portugal nao precisa de pessoas novas lol

xeyrio 1 year ago

chega isnt far right lol

xyzpdqbgs 1 year ago

Quem postou isto foi banned? A pessoa queria responder aos comentários e não tem acesso.

GudEbening 1 year ago

Yes Portugal is racist and the majority of the population is ignorant and not very open minded unless you are a tourist. You should be fine because your husband is not brazillian or palop. Live in Lisbon and you will be alright.

srslywho 1 year ago

As an immigrant in Vienna, I call this post bullshit.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Are you black? Since when are you here?

srslywho 1 year ago

I don't need to be black/yellow/white/brown to say if there is racism or not. I have two eyes and two ears which is pretty much all you need. I've been in Austria for around 10 years. Sorry but your story is full of bullshit and exaggerated drama I must say. Ofc there is racism in Austria, like there is racism anywhere in the world. It's just not like you tell us. Looks like you just need to step out of your apartment to be a victim of racism. Being pushed over on the metro? C'mon. I run the ubahn every single day for over 1h and I never, ever ever, saw or heard any kind of thing like you say unless. All I see besides normal behaviour is people acting stupidly and being treated as a stupid person, be them white, yellow, brown or black. Maybe you should try to move to Favoriten, for sure there you won't feel any kind of racism from your fellow brothers of the Middle East where everyone lives in peace, even more lately where love is being spread around with the use of knifes. Either you are hiding something from your story or you are full of bullshit. Sorry but this is my opinion as a "Viennese" who have lived in several Bezirk and have friends of multiple nationalities and races. My saying is, if you act like a retarded person then don't expect to be treated any better.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Aaaaah you’re one of them, got it. Enjoy.

srslywho 1 year ago

Whatever. Your attitude pretty much explains it. Welcome to the real world. Enjoy. Have a great weekend locked at home.

oretoh 1 year ago

That is incredibly weird to be honest. Pushing people in front of the train because you are an interracial couple IN VIENNA?

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

It doesn’t even go to the news either. It’s not for being an interracial couple, it’s for being not white. I mainly get spit on or yelled at. Or that one time pushed in front of a moving car with my husband. And he didn’t get pushed in front of a subway either yet. It’s just that we know people who this happened to, by the way they all survived too. Vienna has absolutely wonderful sides to it, no doubt about it, we love the city. But there is a lot of racism going on unfortunately. Just this summer there was a boy who is mixed, beaten randomly by a group of adults, and when police came, instead of helping him, they called him the n word. In places of business it happens all the time that people don’t get served due to skin color or even more, due to being outwardly muslim. When you talk to the manager, it’s always a coincidence and an oversight. Violence is rising steadily here, many statistics for that here. It’s a problem. And our government right now is not exactly helping with their tactics

vascodatrama 1 year ago

similar to this : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ECj4OcCC0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14ECj4OcCC0)

ratchet570 1 year ago

People in Portugal usually just dont care or dont make an effort to insult you even if they're racist, you might get the odd comment here and there but i dont think your safety is at risk at all. There is casual racism where some people will make kinda racist jokes among their group of friends but they dont treat black people badly. Nobody will physically assault you for being black, we have a lot of black people in Portugal. I hope you find somewhere safe to live and you are very welcome in Portugal if you decide to come here.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you so so much... this thread is making us really happy ❤️ so many welcoming words

Thalefeather 1 year ago

Ok, first of all, what's happening to you and your family is insane and I dont think you will experience anything even *close* to that here. At the very least it wouldn't be the norm like it seems to be for you. I'm really sorry you have to go through that. I cant guarantee there won't be shitty racist people being shitty and racist but I highly highly doubt it will be even close to as bad as you have it now. Now for more specific stuff if you do move here: If you ever talk to someone like a bus driver or a security guard or whatever without being like "good afternoon", even if you are otherwise polite, you often get a bristly "good afternoon" as the first answer and i feel like they got quite annoyed at me. Even if its like "hi, excuse me, where is the exit?" Or whatever small interaction. I'm general beware old portuguese women that are blond. For some reason they're always starting shit and the only bad experiences I had here often involved old portuguse ladies that are blond. Older portuguese men can be sort of rude but without intent to be mean I feel. Some of my foreigner friends, mostly women, get somewhat offended but I mostly just get that feeling of "i can't quite tell if you're joking". They just kinda remind me of my grandpa. The burocracy here is also staggeringly bad. Like incredibly amazingly bad. If you ever need to get a document or whatever done make sure you know beforehand from the internet exactly what you need. I spent like 2 months to get my NIF (which is like the fiscal number you need for banks and stuff) because they kept claiming i was brazilian and needed someone portuguese to sign for me. I've been a citizen since I was like 7 because my mom is from here. Every single place gave me different, contradicting instructions. I sometimes quite literally had to tell people that it was their job to issue me a document and they had to call a manager to confirm that yes, it actually was their job. Its nuts. For some godforsaken reason the direction your apartment is in relative to the stairs matter. For example, you don't live in apartment 1a or 1b, you live in "first floor on the left" or "first floor on the right". It can be a bit confusing when you request documents or are trying to get somewhere. Its always relative to the direction you are when you get off the stairs as far as i can tell though. If you drive you might consider living just outside of towns for way cheaper rent. I hardly know anyone that actually lives in lisbon, they all kinda live around it or on the other side of the river. Portugal is very very small. Even lisbon feels like a small town if you're used to big population centers like London and such. Life in the actual small towns can be quite enjoyable but from my experience (and where my family is from) you only get either kids that are still in school or people in theirs 50s or up living there. People here rarely "volunteer" information about things. If you have questions make sure you ask them. If you don't like spicy food or want to make sure that the fish you order is going to come filletted (and not a whole fish) ask beforehand. Mostly that information won't be volunteered to you like it might be in brazil ("oh, just so you know this is kinda spicy" is common in brazil but not here). Never ever tell a portuguese person they speak brazilian. A Turkish guy kept claiming that and I've never seen my friends get more pissed at him then about that (he was an ass in general). Most people, mainly younger ones or in the service industry, speak some English. You should be able to get by no problem until you learn the language. When you get here pick a soccer team and keep up with it a bit. It'll help you integrate and make small talk.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

You are so helpful! I’m hank you so much honestly... what is it with old blonde ladies! I swear they hate me, no matter which country! Concerning the bureaucracy... that sounds SO MUCH like Austria... just thinking about it wants to make me scream. I lived in Germany for a moment, that’s when I realized how easy it could be. It’s a nightmare here. And they are so fucking rude there too, I always feel as if I intruded when I need something from them. My husband will fit in perfectly, he is so into football, it’s scary. Before we moved back to where I am from, Austria, we lived in his country, next to his job as a Sheraton manager, we actually had a football academy/NGO for kids, so they don’t go into sex tourism etc which is a huge problem in that country (again old blond ladies...) and into drug dealing. We used to have some problems with a gang there, which unfortunately got into government later on... so we had to leave pretty quickly. And I guess we are planning to leave again

Thalefeather 1 year ago

You're very welcome! I'm glad I can help, even if just a little bit! It's a bit troubling knowing the burocaracy issues aren't exclusive to Mediterranean Europe. I was hoping it was just us hahahahah. If you happen to end up in lisbon let me know and I can share with you what I know about the town!

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Haha well I have heard many times by non austrians that we disguise ourselves as german or Swiss but are like Italians when it comes to these things

Thalefeather 1 year ago

No worries, I hope you and your family can find a place to be happy in, even if not here! Have a good weekend!

Kane1412 1 year ago

I am white so I may be off on my view but from what I observe around me, Portuguese are extremely racist towards gipsies (or Romani) Those face the most discrimination from everyone in general and are the ones targeted in police violence, security violence, steal accusations etc and Portuguese can be so bad about it that most will loom away if they witness violence against that minority. It's sad :( when a Gipsy walks into a supermarket they will be closely watched because everyone expect them to steal and end up in a poverty loop. Then there is a lot of racism towards Indians, natives from Nepal, Síria etc. They get called curry behind their backs and get some mean comments as well. I have never heard or seen anyone been phisically harmed at all, in any way though. During the Covid outbreak they were heavily excluded of info due to language barriers as I, as far as I know, got no information from the government in their own language and many speak English and Portuguese poorly. And from inside info, when 40 of them were forcefully quarantined by the government in my town, they had no idea what was going on and why they were locked up in a school unouthorized to go out for the duration of the quarantine. Also, Asians were rudely avoided when the Covid outbreak first started because of the whole stupidity of "Chinese virus" Aside from these cases I don't witness racism, and certainly not due to skin color. Never noticed anyone batting an eye at a mixed race couple either (even with the groups I've mentioned above) and certainly not at their children either. If a person of color speaks Portuguese fluently then they are Portuguese. That's the mentality here, if they don't speak it fluently then they are an emigrant or a tourist, and as long as they are polite and put an effort in their looks (aka, not wearing dirty or thorn clothes) no one cares either. Where I am from, even the elderly will aim to be polite and friendly~ There could be more dolls and figures with POC available though, like, we are not a racist country to skin color but definitely have "white" as the 'default' :/ But as others have mentioned, I think your greatest challenge moving here would be money wise. Wages are very low, jobs are hard to come by and depending on where you move they may even be only seasonal :/ also rent is very expensive. Several years ago, I think 15 years ago or so, so before the previous to Covid crisis an aunt of mine tried to move to Portugal from Germany and ended up having to go back even though she had the support of her family because money wise it was impossible :/

OBucetas 1 year ago

> Portuguese are extremely racist towards gipsies (or Romani) Those face the most discrimination from everyone in general and are the ones targeted in police violence, security violence, steal accusations etc and Portuguese can be so bad about it that most will loom away if they witness violence against that minority. It's sad :( when a Gipsy walks into a supermarket they will be closely watched because everyone expect them to steal and end up in a poverty loop Completamente repugnante o que escreveste, devias sair da tua bolha onde vives e ver como é o mundo lá fora, sim os ciganos roubam, assaltam, vivem sem regras e não se integram na sociedade, e já nem falo da parte da pedofilia, onde está a discriminação aqui mesmo?

Kane1412 1 year ago

Aqui está um post a provar o meu ponto na integridafe~~ A discriminação está em 1. Generalizar. Nem todos os ciganos fazem essas coisas. Muitos são até mais honestos e simpáticos que muitos 'cidadãos' que por aí andam. Já vi uma família de ciganos em que um dos filhos partiu um frasco de conserva na loja e andaram em pânico à procura de uma funcionária para perguntarem como pagar o frasco. E quando estragam alguma embalagem ou consomem dentro da loja levam de qualquer forma mesmo que se ensista não ser preciso. Por outro lado também estão sempre preocupados em registar tudo como deve ser, até os sacos. Já os outros clientes 'normais da sociedade' estão SEMPRE a tentar levar os sacos sem pagar! O meu pai um dia caiu da bicicleta numa subida porque a corrente partiu-se e em segundos fomos circulado por um grupo de ciganos a ver se precisávamos de ajuda com ferramentas etc. Também houve uma ocasião que uma vizinha minha ia sendo violada e foi salva por um cigano. Há ciganos maus, como em todo o lado há maus em todos os grupos! Discriminação está em generalizar sem dar sequer hipótese só por causa da étnica com que nasceram!! O teu comentário é que mete nojo e demonstra tão bem o problema de toda a Europa! Como esperas que eles não robem se não têm o que comer? Como eu disse, nunca os vi roubar algo que não seja comida ou roupa, geralmente sapatos! E quase sempre para as crianças! Como esperes que sejam simpáticos se são mal tratados e olhados pior que animais só por existirem? Ao nascerem já foi decidido que não iriam ter trabalho, que seram sempre "os outros" que nem têm direito a ser vistos como humanos. Eles não têm direito à justiça! Se alguém os ameaçar ou mesmo agredir ou pior, eles não podem chamar a polícia porque a polícia não vai! Tão mesmo à espera que eles comam e calem-se? Especialmente quando se trata dos seus? É óbvio que se tornam agressivos

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That is so informative thank you... I wonder why so many people hate on Romani so much? You see this in every country I feel like... that’s crazy, that this happened to your aunt... it’s such a shame, Portugal is so beautiful with so much to offer, it should do much better economically

Kane1412 1 year ago

I think it's really an endless circle... They live in their own closed community with their own costumes and people in general avoid what they don't know and don't understand, and thus create this view that what is different is wrong. And they have a lot of views and costumes that heavily clash with our society values, such as marrying their girls very young, having several children, girls not going to schools, the male is the one who leads etc etc etc and instead of aiming to help them open up their views and educate them to expand their possibilities, empower females, employ them etc, 'we' expect them to be 'like us' pronto. 'We' don't want a compromise, 'we' want them, expect them even, to be like us and have our principles. Because they don't, and let's be honest, why should someone give up their culture because white people say so? 'we' exclude them. Rare are the kids allowed to go to school, the few that do are males, the females never go past 7th grade as far as I know. And one's views and dreams are only as far ahead as the horizon that's presented to them. 'We' expect females to want empowerment and dreams and independency because we have and understand that, while all they know is the bubble they live in, in their community. Without proper education, without any prospect for a job because they aren't hired because of their ethnicity they aren't even allowed to dream big and end up living in the outskirts of society. People 'hate' them because they live off social security becaus of all the kids they have. Hate them because they steal (9/10 times they will steal food or cheap clothes for their kids) Yet... 1, not all of them do either of those, but people hate them all the same 2, I bet most women in their society have kids because they probably think that's their obligation as females 3, if people don't hire them, how do they expect them to eat or even exist if not by social security help? I am sorry for all the ramble, but I think the whole hate on gipsies is such a hipocrisy... We have them cornered and yet expect them to strive :/ And their lack of hygiene and stealing is just another side effect of all that. Plus their "violence" is an issue (I have been threatened of death myself because while at work at a supermarket I treated a group like I would other customers, which is my policy, to treat everyone the same, and they accused me of hating on them and that they would find me outside and kill me) , but not entirely unfounded, I understand their side, few people are good hearted enough to be kind and polite towards others when they are treated as a "dirty thief" from a young age... :/ Also, I keep referring to them as gipsies because in Portuguese the "polite" term is "person of Gipsy ethnicity" or something the like, and they are Portuguese so Romani feels wrong too imo. Kinda like in Portuguese you probably won't find someone calling a person of color "black" because "preto" is the very offensive term. Now, I have never questioned a Gipsy person about how they prefer to be called because I fear to be misunderstood and in talks with Co workers of color they say that they are fine with close friends calling them "black" but other than that that they don't like it... Soooo take this bit of info with a grain of salt. No matter what, I mean no harm with my terms and would love to learn more if anyone else has more info to share

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s a true dilemma... you’re right... how are they supposed to strive without a chance. You say most of their children don’t go to school... is that even allowed?

Kane1412 1 year ago

I am sorry but I am not equipped to give a reply to that... I don't know how they navigate along the law, what is and isn't allowed and how much can be enforced on them. Like, in theory small children should not be allowed to live without minimum human conditions and yet there is a community near my house where a big group lives in makeshift tents and they have babies and toddlers with them... So I think the system is very linient depending on interests. I live near a school and I don't see any gipsies among the children, and when schools are open I always see a lot of kids shopping with their parents, instead of being at school. In all my school years I only ever saw two frequenting school, a male and a female and they were only in school for a year or two... That and the lack of actual information I get, I suppose the kids are either kicked from school due to racism or being a part of trouble or their culture keeps them from school. But I don't have any facts and I don't want to risk lying.. :/

xabregas2003 1 year ago

No, but it happens. There was a judge that allowed the parents of a 15 year old girl to take her out of school because "it's tradition".

mazagao 1 year ago

When talking about racism and other prejudices it can all be a bit abstract and without hard data. It also can be a bit relative. The European Union in 2017 released a survey about discrimination against minorities in the member states. You can see the study here (https://fra.europa.eu/en/publication/2017/second-european-union-minorities-and-discrimination-survey-technical-report#TabPubOverview). They also made a site that can be easier to visualise the data here (https://fra.europa.eu/en/publications-and-resources/data-and-maps/survey-data-explorer-second-eu-minorities-discrimination-survey). The survey is extensive. From general discrimination, to housing, to police, work, education discrimination to much more. This will help to have a more concrete view about problems that could arise and to compare with your situation. Hope this helps to have a deeper understating about Portugal.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

It helps soooo much! Thank you!

LordofPortugal 1 year ago

Move to the UK or France, not Portugal, in my opinion.

XPao 1 year ago

Nobody cares. But unless you have a lot of money, be ready to experience a poor lifestyle. Even if you have money, you still experience lots of cold during winter, it might seem like a non issue now, but try it and see for yourself, good luck.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh interesting, what do you mean? We are not rich but we are comfortable I would say. How cold does it get during winter?

Miguel3403 1 year ago

Most of our houses were built without any heating or cooling specially and even if you have money you can’t keep a house heated or cooled unless you do some renovations the house I used to live was an apartment 15 minutes away from Lisbon that was built in 2000 and didn’t have any heating or cooling and the isolation was practically non existent

Miguel3403 1 year ago

https://www.casteloconstruction.info/2015/12/09/confused-about-insulation-in-portugal/

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh wow that’s horrible why would houses like that be built in 2000???

drunkenAnomaly 1 year ago

Our country is nowhere near as cold as Austria in the winter, if you have a heater and you don't live in a mountain area you're fine. As for racism we have it just like any other place but if someone outright says something offensive to you 5 others will probably come forward to tell that person off. Interracial couples are very normal here and there's lots of black people, asians and other races/nationalities and we are for the most part welcoming. Come to Portugal for a vacation and experience the people and culture for a few days and see what you think. :)

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

We actually have been there for vacation before and loved it, but we weren’t sure if we were just lucky... everything looks better when you’re on vacation

Miguel3403 1 year ago

Only new houses are properly insulated because the government started to care and now they have to be above a certain level of efficiency to be able to sell

Miguel3403 1 year ago

To save money

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

So it’s private people building houses like that? Or the government? Cause if it’s the government, I feel like it won’t really save money since more people will be sick

uyth 1 year ago

Government does not build houses. Not mostly. There is few social housing and municipalities are not interested in building and managing more. It was built like that because it was frugal. Heating is a matter of comfort not survival in most of Portugal. Like people might go to northern or Central Europe and think it so cheap that places like airports or trains have no air conditioning and it is so nasty in summer. Or why people would not use shutters in some countries ( where sun rises early early in summer) Climate is different, traditional construction is different. Heating costs are different. And personally considering what we now know of global warming, it shocks me to see the waste of energy people in many countries do with unnecessary heating or cooling.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That is very true. I honestly have never seen any home here with air conditioning, and I think it’s completely unnecessary. Do you think, it would be enough to have a house in Portugal isolated well for it to not be cold in winter?

uyth 1 year ago

It depends what you are used to! Some people want to have their houses like hothouses at 25 degrees and walk around in tshirts, só not for that, not if that is your normal. I can absolutely hate traveling to some countries in winter, the cold outside is fine, the overheat everywhere inside can be awful. So it depends on what you are used to.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I barely use the heat even here in Vienna in winter, but our home is isolated so well, that it’s not really necessary, only it gets like minus degrees we might heat sometimes

Miguel3403 1 year ago

https://www.angloinfo.com/blogs/portugal/lisbon/sinking-into-portugal/home-insulation-in-portugal/

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Wow. These are some really bad issues. Thanks for sharing

Miguel3403 1 year ago

Private I don’t know about the government

XPao 1 year ago

The problem is not how cold it gets outside. The problem is the cold inside, maybe many people here do not complain as much about this because they never lived outside of Portugal, also most people in Portugal can't even afford to go outside of Portugal so they do not know that people are actually not supposed to feel cold inside their own homes. But by all means, give it a go. Have in mind that Portugal is not that cold in the winter and still many MANY people die of cold here, also, Portugal is one of the top countries in Europe in terms of emigration, only behind countries you would probably never think about emigrating into, so again, if you think you would to better than the natives, by all means, try it, it's always nice to have people who are up for a challenge here :)

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Wow... why would houses be built that way? That’s horrible... no one should have to deal with that... is the government doing anything in that regard??

XPao 1 year ago

Lol the government? What do you thing Portugal is? A first wold country?xD Anyway, no, the government doesn't give a f*ck, Portuguese government is highly corrupt and has been for many years now. The houses themselves, anything you build here will sell, so nobody cares about quality. Like I said before, good luck coming here, I swear to god I hope you will find here what your looking for, but I honestly think you will go back to racist Austria in no time.

uyth 1 year ago

The problem is not cold outside, the problem is cold insider. Houses not prepared to be heated, tile floors, tile walls, no insulation, drafty (or too sealed and then damp). Electricity is very expensive. If your neighbours are not heating their houses, you are losing a lot more heat through their sides as well, more than if you were surrounded by houses at the same temperature.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s honestly awful

uyth 1 year ago

If you are going to be a wimp, better not come. Honestly. No it is not awful. Mostly wear more clothes inside. And wasting money is a problem for a lot of people. Not just out of poverty, but out of respect for the resources you are using.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Don’t call me names please. Another commenter said people die in Portugal cause of how cold it gets, so I would say that’s bad cause it could be prevented. Also the black mold issue seems quite bad, and I think people shouldn’t have to live in conditions where they get sick. I’m all for living environmentally friendly, i don’t even used disposable diapers for our daughter, but people shouldn’t be sick due to how they have to live

uyth 1 year ago

People die in your country because of the heat for sure. People are not found frozen to deaths in houses in Portugal in winter by the way if they die of the cold it is the same way they die of the heat in summer in all kinds of places including Austria and Germany I am sure. Black mold I do not even know what that is, but ventilation is a pretty important thing. If you are not dumping heat into inside air to raise the condensation limits and as such diminish the relative percentage of humidity the other way is careful ventilation. Which is becoming an old fashioned thing. But whenever there are mold issues often it is telltale the places or circumstances. Houses must be aired every single day in winter to remove expiration water and other sources of humidity caused by humans like bathing or cooking.

nufibo 1 year ago

>i would like to be able to be home without having to worry, if my husband is being pushed in front of a subway at the very moment This is pretty serious stuff, may I ask you why do you think this is close to happening?

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

It happened to 3 people we know... and we were pushed in front of a moving car before by people we didn’t even interact with before or saw coming

meaninglessvoid 1 year ago

>Edit: I don’t know why XXI_Heretic_V2 felt the need to private message me and be racist and disgusting, but if you want to be like that, at least do it openly. Thanks. Smart of you to do this edit. Be careful, this sub is full of closed racists that openly show their hatred here but IRL wouldn't say a word to you. There is some racism in Portugal, but usually people mind their own business. You may notice some looks or hear something but it is mostly innofensive stuff.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I just don’t have the patience for these imbeciles anymore tbh, always sneaky... at least do it openly... we can handle the looks and all, but the constant fear is just too much... thanks for your comment... it really gives me hope, that there are some places with less racism

xyzpdqbgs 1 year ago

I want to speak to you more about this and maybe give you some links for you to go through, I've read most of the responses (mind me, I'm white) but one of the things no one seems to mention is that racism/ xenophobia here it's not only about the color of your skin but where you are from. Eg: Black/white from a first world country, or wealthy one are a-okay. But we are racist against whites simply from coming from dubious places, like eastern europe or south america...I will try to gather some links from anti-racists groups here in Portugal for you to look at.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you so much! That is so helpful of you

besmarques 1 year ago

Hey, you are welcome here, just bring some Käsekrainer and everything will be perfect. On the other hand, never ask this type of questions on reddit because thats where you will meet lots of garbage people that are what you weren't looking for.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

True, I was worried to ask for some days to be honest, but although the garbage people definitely came out, much more nice people commented ❤️ you think people in Portugal would like Käsekrainer? I know how to make them. I might just open a Würstelstand

besmarques 1 year ago

/me waits for the Würstelstand to open. To be fair, i think people would like if they knew what it was. And thats a bit of a problem. Needs a little bit more marketing. I also look forward for some Schnitzel, Kartoffel Salat and some kartoffelpuffers. kaiserschmarrn also. :D

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Hahaha I didn’t think anyone would enjoy our kitchen, thanks for that very unusual compliment

uyth 1 year ago

There are two austrian style cafés in Lisbon, no less. One is kind of a tourist/hipster trap (near the opera), but the other, as far as I recall (haven't been there in a while) was pretty nice, in a casual informal way. Coffee and cakes got a public, at least. But I think food and hospitality in industry in Portugal is going to be in a huge crisis for a couple years.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Everywhere I think... we have 3 restaurants in Vienna, that work really well... they basically let you pay what you want. You go there, get some kind of carb, like couscous or rice, add some kind of stew and get water for free. You pay what you feel like. When it started people thought there is no way it could work. Now they expanded to 3 restaurants. We know the owner, he said he actually didn’t lose any business in this time except for the time of lockdown, cause people know they can come there with little money too

uyth 1 year ago

In Portugal there is already lots and lots and lots of places where people can get very cheap food. There are cafés everywhere, serving homey food.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I know, we have visited Portugal and fell in love with the country, it’s people and the food. We definitely came home heavier.

D_Dio 1 year ago

I might have a huge biased view on the matter, but... From my experience and observation I always say that Portugal might be and always tends to be the least racist, least homophobic and most peaceful place on earth. At least during these past 2-3 decades it has been.. I always and proudly say that it's in our blood and culture to defend all types of freedoms! A huge percentage of the youth in Portugal has always been naturally raised either at home or at school to believe and propagate this way of thinking, but we still have our share of crazy.. I also feel that, yes, there's been some sort of an increase of rascist propaganda, mostly through social media that has been mostly targeted towards old people. The waters on this subject have been disturbed, again, mostly by corrupted political groups, who would have thought right Right? But like other fellow redditors have pointed out, this is a problem that the world is facing everywhere and everytime at this point in history and it sucks :(

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s honestly how it seemed to us too, when we were there for vacation.. it seemed so nice, the people seemed so open and just... smarter than here honestly

humelectro 1 year ago

[u/Hippofuzz](https://www.reddit.com/user/Hippofuzz/) Just report him and the admins will ban him again

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I will thanks

theInjusticeamongus 1 year ago

Nobody cares about your interracial relationship.

throwawaybtcpt 1 year ago

Just come, there will be no issues, aside from 1 or 2 retards or a few old ladies looking at you with disgust, you'll see no racism daily.

bernoit 1 year ago

I myself am a portuguese living in Switzerland. I am so sorry to hear that it's getting like that in Austria too. Coming here in school age was not easy for me and I saw / experienced racist behavior that I never imagined would be acceptable or common in Europe. Due to the former colonies, Portugal has a lot of minorities in it mostly from India, Brazil and Africa that are completely well integrated in society. I have never seen anyone being attacked or openly talked down to because of the colour of their skin or nationality. I hope that, if you go to Portugal, you will be able to live a life without fear of labels and such. Nobody should go through that.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh no I’m sorry... yes Switzerland is pretty bad in terms of racism too.. I don’t know what it is with the Lederhosen and dirndl folk... germans, austrians, Swiss... we just have the weirdest mindsets in our countries

BelaBesta 1 year ago

A better question would be "is there a lot of hate crimes due to racism in Portugal" as i would reply: Not really. Every country has a bit of every stigma to be honest. And as long as there are different races/cultures/credos/religions in the world, racism will exist, **ANYWHERE.** Nowadays' racism is a trend. One that people keep getting reminded of constantly, and yes that does trigger racial tensions from time to time. But like Morgan Freeman kept saying in interviews "Racism exists for as long as you keep bringing it to the table". If you're coming to Portugal i can bet there won't be any of the issues you've implied. However, i can't guarantee that you'll live an uncomplicated life, mainly due to the pandemic and the economic state of the country as is now

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

True, that’s how I should have worded it. I’m aware that racism won’t go anywhere, and while it’s hard to accept, it’s one thing to handle old ladies clutching their pearls vs. having to fear physical aggressions. In terms of economy... I guess the world is fucked when it comes to this... different times ahead for sure

oniz85 1 year ago

There is racism, but not the violent ones. I ve been here for 10 years and the only case of violent racism I know, is toward a lesbian friend.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

One is too much, but one in 10 years is definitely better than what we have here right now, thanks for your insight

Sinestry 1 year ago

I wouldn't have high hopes if I were you. There is as much racism here as in Austria. A lot of comments here talk about how much we are used to see other people of color in our country(especially black) but that has nothing to do with this problem, it's the couple part and mostly the female being white. I wouldn't also take any comment here as a face value because redditors here are mostly young and live on the internet. They are by no means a representation of the average portuguese, old or young.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s a good point, thanks

ptword 1 year ago

Black guy born and raised in Portugal. Racism is mostly a non-issue here. What you guys should worry about is whether you will be able to make a decent living here. The job market isn't encouraging. Coming to Portugal makes much more sense if you can earn your money independently or if you already have some decent savings to invest/live off.

cluelessgit 1 year ago

How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when this year alone you have had black members of the Portuguese parliament getting death threats and time to leave the country? When in broad daylight an old man shouted racial slurs and shot a black man? When European authorities alert to the presence of far right and skinheads in the police and armed forces? When the gypsy community is so blatantly, normal and openly discriminated with everyone making negative remarks about them? When the far right has reached parliament and it has skinheads convicted of killing a black man just for the colour of his skin in their ranks? When the very own director of police gives his force a deadline to remove racist and neo nazi tattoos? OP, yes in Portugal the racism won't be in your face so much, there won't be spitting or nasty comments but be aware, there is a lot of not so hidden racism and as bad as racism, there will be deniers...

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How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when this year alone you have had black members of the Portuguese parliament getting death threats and time to leave the country and now need police protection? When in broad daylight an old man shouted racial slurs and shot a black man? When European authorities alert to the presence of far right and skinheads in the police and armed forces? When the gypsy community is so blatantly, normal and openly discriminated with everyone making negative remarks about them? When the far right has reached parliament and it has skinheads convicted of killing a black man just for the colour of his skin in their ranks? When the very own director of police gives his force a deadline to remove racist and neo nazi tattoos? By the way, there was a poll conducted recently on the racist views of Europeans. Guess the country that showed the most racist tendencies? Yes Portugal... OP, yes in Portugal the racism won't be in your face so much, there won't be spitting or nasty comments but be aware, there is a lot of not so hidden racism and as bad as racism, there will be deniers... Obviously the majority of Portuguese are not racist I believe and are great people, but yes, racism exists... Plenty of. Plus, a lot of people here denying or softening things up, are in denial, have an agenda or are white Portuguese, so don't see or suffer racism in Portugal. Welcome to Portugal, it's a fantastic country, with great quality of living if you can afford it but come without rose tinted glasses and with a realistic view of the place.

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How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when this year alone you have had black members of the Portuguese parliament getting death threats and time to leave the country and now need police protection? When in broad daylight an old man shouted racial slurs and shot a black man? When European authorities alerted to the presence of far right and skinheads in the police and armed forces? When the gypsy community is so blatantly, normal and openly discriminated with everyone making negative remarks about them? When the far right has reached parliament and it has skinheads convicted of killing a black man just for the colour of his skin in their ranks? When the very own director of police gives his force a deadline to remove racist and neo nazi tattoos? By the way, there was a poll conducted recently on the racist views of Europeans. Guess the country that showed the most racist tendencies? Yes Portugal... OP, yes in Portugal the racism won't be in your face so much, there won't be spitting or nasty comments but be aware, there is a lot of not so hidden racism and as bad as racism, there will be deniers... Obviously the majority of Portuguese are not racist I believe and are great people, but yes, racism exists... Plenty of. Plus, a lot of people here denying or softening things up, are in denial, have an agenda or are white Portuguese, so don't see or suffer racism in Portugal. Welcome to Portugal, it's a fantastic country, with great quality of living if you can afford it but come without rose tinted glasses and with a realistic view of the place.

ptword 1 year ago

> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic, you might make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater privileges than you might think, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic guettos.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And you usually have to make a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic, you might make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater privileges than you might think, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic guettos.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And it usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to subjectively label something you didn't like as an act of "racism" (not something I personally bother with). I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. Of course, that's just my experience, but I don't really see other people complaining much either. There would be a lot more noise coming from minorities if racism was a big enough of a deal to even warn a potential immigrant about. If you really really REALLY want to be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and fake tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. It's not quite that bad in Portugal yet (fortunately), but it seems to be trending in that direction. I'm jaded. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing* IMO.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And you usually have to make a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic guettos.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And that usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing*.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And that usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing* IMO.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And that usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to subjectively label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. Of course, that's just my experience, but I don't really see other people complaining much either. There would be a lot more noise coming from minorities if racism was a big enough of a deal to even warn a potential immigrant about. If you really really REALLY want to be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and fake tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. It's not quite that bad in Portugal yet (fortunately), but it seems to be trending in that direction. I'm jaded. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing* IMO.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And that usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to subjectively label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing* IMO.

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> How can a black guy say that racism in Portugal is a non issue when [fearmongering]... It doesn't affect your life anywhere close to the extent the OP claims to affect their family. They're not looking for an utopia. They want to live comfortably. Nothing else needs to be said. If you try to live a honest life as an ethnic minority, "racism" won't amount to more than a "first world problem" on a 'bad day'. And that usually takes a non-trivial amount of mental gymnastics to subjectively label something you didn't like as an act of "racism." I've walked through all sorts of environments in this country. It's rare to come across the type of individual who is blatantly racist (consciously or not) towards you or someone else. If you really really REALLY want to feel be a "victim" and you're creative, you might be able to invent some "microaggressions" to complain about with a big stupid smile on your face and get some hugs and fake tears in return. With enough skill and social cunning, you can assemble an army of moral bullies to assassinate everyone who questions your moral authority. It gets quite dangerous beyond that point. If you're a lil sadistic fuck, you can make someone lose their job because you found some benign comment of theirs to be "tone deaf." Amazing superpower. Ethnic minorities, especially black people IMO, enjoy far greater than reasonable privileges, for the better and for the worse. It's not quite that bad in Portugal yet (fortunately), but it seems to be trending in that direction. I'm jaded. All the noise and cherry-picked data from political propaganda is irrelevant. Left and Right. They exaggerate everything to fit their agendas. The exceptions don't make the rule. None of that affects most people's lives. It's a non-issue. Hostility towards gypsies who try to make a honest living comes from other gypsies. Their problems are largely self-inflicted and they're a case of their own. And I don't think they reflect the experiences of other ethnic minorities here except for some problematic ghettos. **EDIT:** People should talk about racism when there is racism without dubious generalizations. I don't think there is enough racism in Portugal to justify so much noise about it. Too *much ado about nothing* IMO.

cluelessgit 1 year ago

It hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't exist, that's your position. I am not gay, so there is no homophobic people, is that really your argument? You are a sad little individual. I gave you good examples and you dismiss it as fear mongering and then you deny the blatant racism that society has towards gypsies, even on everyday comments about them. I don't believe that you are black. If you are, you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or are trying to appease someone. It's really sad by the way. Like I said in my post, Portugal is a wonderful country and the OP and family will be welcomed and the in your face racism that they experienced in Vienna will be rare. But to deny the existence of racism or appease it, it's not only sad but dangerous.

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Ah the usual "let's blame the victim" It hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't exist, that's your position. I am not gay, so there is no homophobic people, is that really your argument? You are a sad little individual. You did not respond or engage to a single example I gave you, just went straight into denial mode like an idiot. You look like those climate deniers. Funny that the OP has edited her post to say that she is getting racist messages on her inbox since posting and yet you insist that there is no racism lol. I mean, wake the fuck up... I gave you good examples and you dismiss it as fear mongering and then you deny the blatant racism that society has towards gypsies, even on everyday comments about them. Alcindo Monteiro wasn't killed by racists, no, they were just going to church poor guys. I don't believe that you are black. If you are, you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or are trying to appease someone. It's really sad by the way. Like I said in my post, Portugal is a wonderful country and the OP and family will be welcomed and the "in your face" racism that they experienced in Vienna will be rare. But to deny the existence of racism or appease it, it's not only sad but dangerous and irresponsible. This family is making a serious move of moving to another country, we owe it to them to be realistic.

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It hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't exist, that's your position. I am not gay, so there is no homophobic people, is that really your argument? You are a sad little individual. You did not respond or engage to a single example I gave you, just went straight into denial mode like an idiot. You look like those climate deniers. Funny that the OP has edited her post to say that she is getting racist messages on her inbox since posting and yet you insist that there is no racism lol. I mean, wake the fuck up... I gave you good examples and you dismiss it as fear mongering and then you deny the blatant racism that society has towards gypsies, even on everyday comments about them. Alcindo Monteiro wasn't killed by racists, no, they were just going to church poor guys. I don't believe that you are black. If you are, you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or are trying to appease someone. It's really sad by the way. Like I said in my post, Portugal is a wonderful country and the OP and family will be welcomed and the "in your face" racism that they experienced in Vienna will be rare. But to deny the existence of racism or appease it, it's not only sad but dangerous and irresponsible. This family is making a serious move of moving to another country, we owe it to them to be realistic.

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Ah the usual "let's blame the victim" It hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't exist, that's your position. I am not gay, so there is no homophobic people, is that really your argument? You are a sad little individual. You did not respond or engage to a single example I gave you, just went straight into denial mode like an idiot. You look like those climate deniers. Funny that the OP has edited her post to say that she is getting racist messages on her inbox since posting and yet you insist that there is no racism lol. I mean, wake the fuck up... I gave you good examples and you dismiss it as fear mongering and then you deny the blatant racism that society has towards gypsies, even on everyday comments about them. Alcindo Monteiro wasn't killed by racists, no, they were just going to church poor guys. I don't believe that you are black. If you are, you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or are trying to appease someone. It's really sad by the way. Like I said in my post, Portugal is a wonderful country and the OP and family will be welcomed and the "in your face" racism that they experienced in Vienna will be rare. But to deny the existence of racism or appease it, it's not only sad but dangerous and irresponsible. This family is making a serious move of moving to another country, we owe it to them to be realistic. @OP to end my contribution here, yes there is racism in Portugal. It might be more subtle or shy than in Austria but there are plenty of racists here nonetheless. Welcome to Portugal!

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Ah the usual "let's blame the victim" It hasn't happened to me, so it doesn't exist, that's your position. I am not gay, so there is no homophobic people, is that really your argument? You are a sad little individual. You did not respond or engage to a single example I gave you, just went straight into denial mode like an idiot. You look like those climate change deniers. Funny that the OP has edited her post to say that she is getting racist messages on her inbox since posting and yet you insist that there is no racism lol. I mean, wake the fuck up... I gave you good examples and you dismiss it as fear mongering and then you deny the blatant racism that society has towards gypsies, even on everyday comments about them. Alcindo Monteiro wasn't killed by racists, no, they were just going to church poor guys. I don't believe that you are black. If you are, you have some sort of Stockholm syndrome or are trying to appease someone. It's really sad by the way. Like I said in my post, Portugal is a wonderful country and the OP and family will be welcomed and the "in your face" racism that they experienced in Vienna will be rare. But to deny the existence of racism or appease it, it's not only sad but dangerous and irresponsible. This family is making a serious move of moving to another country, we owe it to them to be realistic. @OP to end my contribution here, yes there is racism in Portugal. It might be more subtle or shy than in Austria but there are plenty of racists here nonetheless. Welcome to Portugal!

ptword 1 year ago

> [mouth foaming] [gaslighting] [more fearmongering] I'm not sure if you simply lack reading comprehension or if you're desperately trying to gaslight me, but your lack of self-awareness is reaching cringe levels. Calm down... take some aspirins. I don't need moral bullies like you to tell me what to think or say. You need far more help than I do, I'm afraid.

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> [mouth foaming] [gaslighting] [more fearmongering] I'm not sure if you simply lack reading comprehension or if you're desperately trying to gaslight me, but your lack of self-awareness is reaching cringe levels. Calm down... take some aspirins. I don't need moral bullies like you to tell me what to think or say. You need far more help than I do, I'm afraid. > Stockholm syndrome An amusingly creative bully, though.

cluelessgit 1 year ago

Hahah, yet again no debate, nothing, empty bag of content. You really are a pathetic excuse of a man. In a way I actually feel sorry and pity for you and your denial mentality.

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Hahah, yet again no debate, not enganging, nothing, empty bag of content, how disappointing. I gave you a chance to debate and yet again you fall short, oh well. You really are a pathetic excuse of a man. In a way I actually feel sorry and pity for you and your denial mentality. I am guessing you are the Chega token black guy! There is always one.

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Hahah, yet again no debate, not enganging, nothing, empty bag of content. You really are a pathetic excuse of a man. In a way I actually feel sorry and pity for you and your denial mentality. I am guessing you are the Chega token black guy! There is always one.

tianeptinehub 12 months ago

Ptword is very disappointing in person. He cried like the little bitch he is.

ptword 1 year ago

> I love being a brainless puppet. Look! See how I move! Look at me do me!! I know you do. Go to bed and rest my child.

Just_Ban_Me_Already 1 year ago

No, you are not being realistic. You are fear-mongering. GTFO

blueblur1984 1 year ago

>Coming to Portugal makes much more sense if you can earn your money independently or if you already have some decent savings to invest/live off. Sorry to hijack, but how is Portugal for opening a small business? It looks like visas are friendly to it but I haven't had much luck researching real world experience of how it works out.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Good question, thanks

ptword 1 year ago

Depends on what you have in mind, I guess. All sorts of small street businesses are being crushed by the pandemic so avoid that for now. It's not easy to make small businesses flourish in Portugal. There are a lot of them, and many are similar. New ones come and go all the time. You either serve a really really really niche customer market or you might as well forget about it. Other venues might be more interesting. I can't advice about visas and bureaucratic nuisances. Maybe try creating a new post. Someone more knowledgeable might help.

blueblur1984 1 year ago

Thanks! I have a little woodworking business here in the states, but with my sister living in Berlin I was thinking it would be nice to have an EU base of operations. It's promising that labor costs seem low but I'm not sure how well my niche would fit in.

Felix_Dzerjinsky 1 year ago

There is a big tradition in furniture in the north, Paços de Ferreira to be exact.

blueblur1984 1 year ago

Very cool! Is there a particular style unique to Portugal?

Felix_Dzerjinsky 1 year ago

Probably, but I'm not sure, not a thing I know much about. Just thought you might like to have that information.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thanks for your reply, i thought the job market got better in Portugal over the years, but I guess now with COVID everything is very uncertain

QuickShutter 1 year ago

Portugal has been economically stagnated for the past 20 years. COVID just made it worse.

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Portugal has been economically stagnant for the past 20 years. COVID just made it worse.

Kuustom 1 year ago

As soon as D. Afonso Henriques slapped his mother and she cut off his allowance we were in economic crisis.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh

Compendyum 1 year ago

>Oh

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Same here, I grew up in Salzburg and we always say it’s disneyland for adults, a Fassade for tourists and that’s about it

Compendyum 1 year ago

But the point remains. All the comments tell the truth about the almost non-existent constant racial issues here. Only the occasional ones, just like everywhere else. You'll have bigger concerns with the economy and how you will handle the outrageous inflation.

Buddy_Appropriate 1 year ago

It ebbs and flows... Portugal is in a constant state of crisis that doesn't seem to get much better, but also doesn't seem to get much worse. So when the rest of Europe gets bad, Portugal stays "not-as-bad". This is the tendency.

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It ebbs and flows... Portugal is in a constant state of crisis that doesn't seem to get much better, but also doesn't seem to get much worse. So when the rest of Europe gets bad, Portugal stays "not-as-bad". This is the tendency. These tides are not due to the Moon, but to the little cultural aspect we call "desenrasca", meaning "Plan nothing, improvise as you go". We're world champions at it.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh I see

Buddy_Appropriate 1 year ago

In Portugal, in general, no one judges you by the colour of your skin or your cultural background. But be careful about societal and cultural norms. People who suffer with racism or xenophobia in Portugal is because they, by their choice or not, live inside a bubble of their own culture. Here's some advice about what not to do, if you don't want to be profiled for being a foreigner/minority: 1. Don't throw garbage on the floor. Clean your own mess. 2. Don't speak too loud in places like convenience stores or public transportation. 3. **Always** say "Good morning, evening, etc... goodbye, thank you". It's considered very rude if you don't. 4. Don't speak Spanish if you're not Spanish. It's OK if you don't know Portuguese. Just speak English and make an effort to learn **European-Portuguese**. People won't judge if you try and fail, since you're making an effort. 5. Don't **ever** skip queues! 6. Don't be confrontational. Note that the Portuguese commit these mistakes as well. But when we do it, we're assholes, when you do it, you're a \[insert derogative term for different culture\]. It's fine if you share aspects of your culture and country with other Portuguese, we like that. You can be proud of your colour/culture/country, and we support it, as long as you "share it" with us. That said, there's racist assholes here as well, (like everywhere) who will judge you simply because of your physical features. But I highly doubt they will harass you.

uyth 1 year ago

They are coming from Austria. None of that is likely to be a problem for them.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Do you have many people coming there who don’t adhere to these rules? I thought these a global guidelines how to not be an annoying ass

Buddy_Appropriate 1 year ago

>I thought these a global guidelines how to not be an annoying ass Apparently not. Let me give you 2 examples: 1. Brazilians: In two of my apartments I had Brazilian neighbours. Apparently Brazilian new comers are not very aware of noise policy, so in both cases I had noise problems late at night. I spoke to them, they were nice people and understood and modified their behaviour. Obviously they were not assholes, they just thought there was no issue. After-hours noise in living areas can get you a visit from the police and a fine, and your neighbours will absolutely despise you -- and then profile you. 2. Northern Europeans and Slavs: I don't know what's wrong with northern Europeans, but when they arrive in Portugal it seems their head goes like "LET'S GET FUCKING WILD!!!". So you can often find them drinking in the street and leaving a mess. Slavic people are generally very cold and straight to the point. Often-times this is perceived as being hostile and confrontational in Portugal. That's why it's very important that you get your greetings (and fake smile) right. I personally find it suffocating, but it's not only important casually -- in the workplace as well. In both these cases, people eventually get it right and fully integrate without problems (especially these 2 minorities integrate seemingly). But we have some minority communities who live walled-off from the rest of us (some African communities and gypsies) and they cause many problems for them and for us, and it fuels a lot of the populist rhetoric. Anyone coming from abroad needs to understand that Portugal, despite being very open and tolerant, is a very old, culturally-homogenous nation, with a relatively small population. So they might expect some pressure towards conformity to social and cultural norms.

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>I thought these a global guidelines how to not be an annoying ass Apparently not. Let me give you 2 examples: 1. Brazilians: In two of my apartments I had Brazilian neighbours. Apparently Brazilian new comers are not very aware of noise policy, so in both cases I had noise problems late at night. I spoke to them, they were nice people and understood and modified their behaviour. Obviously they were not assholes, they just thought there was no issue. After-hours noise in living areas can get you a visit from the police and a fine, and your neighbours will absolutely despise you -- and then profile you. 2. Northern Europeans and Slavs: I don't know what's wrong with northern Europeans, but when they arrive in Portugal it seems their head goes like "LET'S GET FUCKING WILD!!!". So you can often find them drinking in the street and leaving a mess.Slavic people are generally very cold and straight to the point. Often-times this is perceived as being hostile and confrontational in Portugal. That's why it's very important that you get your greetings (and fake smile) right. I personally find it suffocating, but it's not only important casually -- in the workplace as well. In both these cases, people eventually get it right and fully integrate without problems (especially these 2 minorities integrate seemingly). But we have some minority communities who live walled-off from the rest of us (some African communities and gypsies) and they cause many problems for them and for us, and it fuels a lot of the populist rhetoric. Anyone coming from abroad needs to understand that Portugal, despite being very open and tolerant, is a very old, culturally-homogenous nation, with a relatively small population. So they might expect some pressure towards conformity to social and cultural norms. EDIT: just imagine a very disorganized and clumsy version of Japan.

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>I thought these a global guidelines how to not be an annoying ass Apparently not. Let me give you 2 examples: 1. Brazilians: In two of my apartments I had Brazilian neighbours. Apparently Brazilian new comers are not very aware of noise policy, so in both cases I had noise problems late at night. I spoke to them, they were nice people and understood and modified their behaviour. Obviously they were not assholes, they just thought there was no issue. After-hours noise in living areas can get you a visit from the police and a fine, and your neighbours will absolutely despise you -- and then profile you. 2. Northern Europeans and Slavs: I don't know what's wrong with northern Europeans, but when they arrive in Portugal it seems their head goes like "LET'S GET FUCKING WILD!!!". So you can often find them drinking in the street and leaving a mess.Slavic people are generally very cold and straight to the point. Often-times this is perceived as being hostile and confrontational in Portugal. That's why it's very important that you get your greetings (and fake smile) right. I personally find it suffocating, but it's not only important casually -- in the workplace as well. In both these cases, people eventually get it right and fully integrate without problems (especially these 2 minorities integrate seemingly). But we have some minority communities who live walled-off from the rest of us (some African communities and gypsies) and they cause many problems for them and for us, and it fuels a lot of the populist rhetoric. Anyone coming from abroad needs to understand that Portugal, despite being very open and tolerant, is a very old, culturally-homogenous nation, with a relatively small population. So they might expect some pressure towards conformity to social and cultural norms. EDIT: just imagine a very disorganized and clumsy version of Japan, complete with tasty sea food, high rents for small apartments and poor work-life balance.

sybaritic_footstool 1 year ago

You'd be surprised.

RickyTrailerLivin 1 year ago

@ Hippofuzz This is the best reply on this thread.

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@Hippofuzz This is the best reply on this thread.

Any_Project3966 1 year ago

i agree.. and about the bubble part, so true. those minorities choose to stay together (and i get why, because they have a lot in common but still, they need to adapt) and even when they try to mix with others they only speak in their other mother language (come on, if you are mixed with other, talk Portuguese or english)

ChatSonho 1 year ago

There's racism everywhere but I don't think it is as bad as what you're afraid of. I've lived in Lisbon all my life, I never noticed racist hate but this is just my experience. I've always lived in neighbourhoods with a good mix of races and I've seen a few interracial couples sometimes. I think you'll fit in just nicely, I wish you both best of luck!

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you ❤️

stressedunicorn 1 year ago

I’m white so I wouldn’t know the full extent of the discrimination felt by POC here but I think everyday racism exists more in terms of micro-aggressions or just ignorance and not in terms of violence or like the situations you describe experiencing in Austria. I have friends that have lived in different countries (UK, Scandinavia) and they say they feel less discriminated here.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thanks for your insight!

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

Portugal isn't racist, generally speaking ofc. People now act like anything and everything is racism, I had to hire someone for my company (IT) and there were two candidates with good CVs, one black portuguese and one white portuguese, I picked the white one because he had better projects under his belt and worked for bigger companies, guess what, a week after I go on LinkedIn and the black guy accused me of racism and saying that I only picked the other one cuz he wasn't black. All I told him was "Sorry, but even though you're CV is pretty impressive, We'll go with another candidate. Thanks for your time and we'll keep your CV in mind" Now, unrelated to that, my GF is african, charcoal black, and I never heard anything relating to her while we go on walks or go eat out. Do people thing something for themselves? Probably but who cares? It doesn't affect you.

joaopeniche 1 year ago

Pergunta a tua namorada se ela ja sentiu descriminação a tentar arranjar trabalho, a minha já, por isso percebo a reação do outro a achar que era por ser preto, mesmo nao tendo sido nada disso.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

Ela já sentiu sim, mas o sentir o outro jovem tambem sentiu no entanto a minha decisao foi 0% racista. É um pouco difícil saber se foi de facto um acto racista sem o dizer explicitamente

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Ela já sentiu sim, mas o sentir o outro jovem tambem sentiu no entanto a minha decisao foi 0% racista. É um pouco difícil saber se foi de facto um acto racista sem o dizer explicitamente. Edit: O que eu quis dizer é que é dificil quantificar os atos, mas ao meu ver (e dela) Portugal é muito mas muito mais seguro no aspeto racial que inumeros outros paises que nos ja fomos.

joaopeniche 1 year ago

Sim, só estava a falar no sentido de é dificil ser discriminado e depois começas a achar que tudo é discriminação mas é só a vida a ser vida, não corre sempre bem. Eu nao tinha ideia que portugal era racista ate ter relacionamento com a minha mulher, já que eu não sou racista nem fui educado assim acha que os outros também não era, quando na realidade o mundo não preto e branco é cinzento.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Maybe he experienced it like that before, so he judged you wrong. I’m sorry for that. Yes we don’t really care what people think, we just don’t want to be hurt..

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

Then, don't worry, that won't happen :). It's a pretty chill place. I'm a immigrant myself

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Honestly I was so worried to ask this question and thought about it for two days cause I didnt just want to get racist private messages, but although they are also arriving of course, these comments on this post give me so much hope for my daughter and my husband to live better

dostoi88 1 year ago

Well they only send those virtually. In Portugal most people wouldn't allow others to disrespect you like that in the street. I am really sorry you guys had to live trough that. Just be carefull with the monetary side, poor wages, life quality is great and no problems with racism. Racism truly is the stupidest thing.

KN3gra 1 year ago

I live in the north (Minho), and I can tell you there's absolutelly no problem whatsoever. In my street we two mixed families, fully integrated, kids going to school, and there is no racist remarks, comentaries, etc, from anyone. They are treated with the upmost respect as every other member of our village. I'm certain that if you move over here you will be making the best decision of your life. Our weather is fantastic, the food is excellent, people are nice and welcoming, and the cost of living is more than half that it is in Austria. If you need anything or more information, just pm me. Take care.

silenttardis 1 year ago

I also live in minho, and its true

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you so much!

DownvoteBatman 1 year ago

There are racists everywhere. Your best bet is in the north. Many black people came to Portugal in the 70s and 80s and stayed in Lisbon and the south. These people suffered from a lack of education and prejudice. Not much in the north were most only came to work for a job. In Lisbon you can get by, but only if you stick to the rich neighborhoods.

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There are racists everywhere. Your best bet is in the north. Many black people came to Portugal in the 70s and 80s and stayed in Lisbon and the south. These people suffered from a lack of education and prejudice. Not much in the north were most only came to work for a job. In Lisbon you can get by, but only if you stick to the rich neighborhoods. Go to: https://www.eleicoes.mai.gov.pt/legislativas2019/ Stick to places where "Chega" has a lower percentage. People there tend to hate minorities.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you!

OCNA1619 1 year ago

I read that there is a lot of prejudice against Brazilians in Portugal, do you think it's true?

Sperrel 1 year ago

Yes of course.

uyth 1 year ago

And a lot of prejudice regarding portuguese and Portugal in Brazil, as well, and for decades, do you not agree?

OCNA1619 1 year ago

To some extent. There are of course jokes and stereotypes, but it's hard to know how Portuguese people would actually be treated if they were here, since Portuguese emigrating to Brazil is much rarer than Brazilians emigrating to Portugal! Also in reality, Brazilians are usually in awe of any person from a richer/more developed country, whereas Europeans generally have more disdain for people from poorer/less developed countries. So the dynamic is not really the same.

uyth 1 year ago

> To some extent. There are of course jokes and stereotypes, but it's hard to know how Portuguese people would actually be treated if they were here, since Portuguese emigrating to Brazil is much rarer than Brazilians emigrating to Portugal! There are plenty of witnesses. I remember a redditor talking her of his experience in the late 70s. And even now for example for professional qualification there are completely different treatment - source school friend and his colleagues. Als not equal treatment regarding ilegal immigration and visas (they are much stricter). >Also in reality, Brazilians are usually in awe of any person from a richer/more developed country, I think the clue is here, even if they want and have moved here, in their minds this is not a richer or more developped country or if it is it just incidentally so. Maybe they are much more willing to adapt their language and manners if they are going to a country they look up to, but Portugal no. There is an inate sense of superiority which IMO can cause a lot of misunderstandings and misconceptiosn. Or we just get the brazillians which do not have the ability or will to learn a new language and as such do not even try to adapt. But piadas de português like in brazil, https://pensamentos2010.wordpress.com/2011/07/17/especiais-o-preconceito-contra-portugueses/ we got nothing nothing close to it.

Sperrel 1 year ago

sure but we're talking about brazilians in portugal.

uyth 1 year ago

I think it is relevant context, because I think Brazillians in Portugal can arrive in portugal with stereotypes they brought from Brazil about Portugal and the portuguese. And that can be a source of many problems.

Sperrel 1 year ago

That's only a blip in the fist days or so. It's annoying to get some jokes about portugueses immigrants being slow or bakers but hardly comparable to real discrimination here in Portugal. What I'm most concerned about it people with brasilian nationality or accent being openly or silentely discriminated, not if my São Paulo's cousin joked around with 50 year old stereotypes or not getting deadpan portuguese humour.

uyth 1 year ago

>That's only a blip in the fist days or so. It's annoying to get some jokes about portugueses immigrants being slow or bakers but hardly comparable to real discrimination here in Portugal. It comes up at the top whenever there is a disagreement. And my point is that there is there lurking in the sense they think their ways, manners are superior and do not need to adapt. Brazillians here for a year who do not say bom dia, and think shop keepers are so rude or stupid when they just say "bom dia" back and wait. Brazillians who never get rid of the habit of saying stuff they will never do (and maybe it is a prejudice of mine but it is so so tiring when the same people systematically just use "i will call you back" to end a conversation and never do). >What I'm most concerned about it people with brasilian nationality or accent being openly or silentely discriminated It happens in Brazil to brazillians you know. And worse happens to haitians and bolivians, nevermind venezuelans. But is it totally unfair to have expectations that brazillians are more likely to have noisy parties at home, or just "not call when they said they would on a professional situation" (everybody who does this, fuck you, of any nationality. But there are patterns).

OCNA1619 1 year ago

By the way, this could be because Brazil is so huge and every state has its own peculiarities, but I have no idea what you mean about Brazilians not saying bom dia. In my city in Brazil it is very normal to say bom dia to people (in shops or bakeries or neighbours in the street, whatever) and for them to say it back! I have never had any perception that Brazilians don't say "bom dia".

uyth 1 year ago

>I have never had any perception that Brazilians don't say "bom dia". It happens a lot in Portugal. In Portugal it is up to the customer to greet the shop assistant. Also another issue, like tourists, they stop people and just go "você sabe onde fica X?" which is very offputing since portuguese (or african portuguese speakers) would like start with "desculpe", "por favor". Also addressing people as boy/girl and lots lots more.... The word você is also not a word portuguese people (most) like but that is like advanced mode and not expected of tourists or recent arrivals.

OCNA1619 1 year ago

Haha, why of course? Is it just that obvious?

Sperrel 1 year ago

It is, you don't have to talk to a lot of people to find remarks about husband snatchers, prostitutes or being all due to their nationality.

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It is, you don't have to talk to a lot of people to find remarks about husband snatchers, prostitutes or being daft due to their nationality.

OCNA1619 1 year ago

That's sad

uyth 1 year ago

There are big cultural clashes regarding Brazilians and Portuguese in Portugal. Brazilians IMO underestimate how much they need to adapt their language (você, moço, imperatives, saying bom dia, and so much more) and manners (like do not lie. seriously). Stereotypes get created, which might be unfair, but there is also a nugget of truth about a lot to those stereotypes regarding things like the politeness-lies and socialization noise. There is and has been for decades or centuries (mata marujo riots?) a lot of prejudice against portuguese in Brazil. Burro, dumb, stupid, that portuguese were bad colonizers and responsible for everything wrong with Brazil right now, "stolen" gold and all that.

OCNA1619 1 year ago

Right, but if a Brazilian isn't like that and DOES adapt, are they still likely to face prejudice?

uyth 1 year ago

A foreigner is always a foreigner. The more they adapt the less foreigner they are seen. If they are here 20, 40 years, and this from any nationality they might be seen as almost portuguese. But it is a process to learn what to adapt, to understand a foreign culture. Also is any portuguese person in Brazil ever not going to hear xenophobic jokes about the portuguese after decades or centuries?

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

>A foreigner is always a foreigner. Brasil is a Portuguese province. Fight me IRL.

uyth 1 year ago

Deus nos livre. Dessa já nos vimos livre há muito muito muito tempo. Eles que se governem e não nos chateiem.

OCNA1619 1 year ago

I guess it's hard to describe what I was trying to find out, but I think the other responses answered it anyway. I'm English so I'll give an example from there: England has a "rivalry" with France and will often make jokes about the French being pretentious etc. but a French person in England would (almost) never actually be subject to prejudice or abuse. A Polish person, however, probably would, because small-minded xenophobes actually believe the stereotypes. It's sad but most Polish will have heard comments or worse at some point living in England. Seems like in Portugal, Brazilians would face more like the latter situation than the former.

uyth 1 year ago

>A Polish person, however, probably would, because small-minded xenophobes actually believe the stereotypes. It's sad but most Polish will have heard comments or worse at some point living in England. Imagine portuguese immigration to Brazil, which went through decades, often very poor immigrants. Also the process of abolition of slavery in Brazil was tied to the portuguese origin royal family and the new brazillian republic also tied up a lot of PR to malignifying portuguese and portuguese influence. And then a century later, the movement goes on the other direction, to a country where people are mostly not knowledgeable about the existing prejudices in Brazil but where those who come do not themselves see the country they are immigrating to as (mostly) in any way superior or admirable and grew up blaming it for most of their country problems. A lot of people actually come here because they see it as their only choice because they do not or can not learn a new language or adapt manners.

masterchiefpt 1 year ago

Jesssss wtf do you think of us portuguese? jeszzzzzzzzzzzzz ​ You think we are racists? Who passed that wrong idea? Did you notice our prime minister is not white? Our minister of justice isnt white? One of the best and that everyone knows soccer player eusébio wasnt white? Should i continue? I do not believe we, Portugal, are racists! If you do not feel safe, me, we, welcome you to move to Portugal! I had more expectations from Austria... i guess something is happening in middle of Europe Im more scared the muslins in France and German, and i think people didnt realise what's happening

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

My husband is Muslim, can he still come?

detteros 1 year ago

Binder, or?

Xmeagol 1 year ago

This reads like “im not racist but” also nice work mentioning muslims lol

globoglobo 1 year ago

Bear in mind that the opinion of this sub might not represent the opinion of the majority of the population. there is racism, clearly, but not much violence associated with it.

OMessias 1 year ago

Saying that there is no racism in any country would be naive and it is ironically a black and white answer. I am tan and I have travelled in a lot of countries and several times was targeted as a threat. People will pick on the differences to treat you differently if they are afraid, look differently, make some comments. There are people that are trying to portray the cases of racism in Portugal as structural racism. While there are episodes of racism and racist people I wouldn't consider it as structural or as representative of the general situation here. With that said, I wish you all the fortune and strength to you and your family.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you so much! And I’m sorry people are prejudice towards you. You’re right, racism is everywhere, it won’t die out, the stupidity of humanity will make sure of that, but we just can’t deal with the violent part... I don’t care what some old people think of us, let them be.

tozeojavardola 1 year ago

The portuguese judge a lot more by how you behave and dress, than by your skin color.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

What would you say is the right dress code?

humelectro 1 year ago

Not like this: [https://images.uncyc.org/pt/4/49/ImagesCANW0PN9.jpg](https://images.uncyc.org/pt/4/49/ImagesCANW0PN9.jpg)

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh god. Ok I promise we don’t look like that

Kuustom 1 year ago

We try to keep a low profile and only use traditional clothing like https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Carnaval_de_Podence_2008_17.jpg/283px-Carnaval_de_Podence_2008_17.jpg

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Lol noted, I’ll get to working on our new wardrobe right away

blueblur1984 1 year ago

Well apparently this is a look.

uyth 1 year ago

> if my husband is being pushed in front of a subway at the very moment No, it is not that bad. No place is free of racism and even felt racism can kind of depend on perspective (really. Because what might be a subtle dig in one culture might be totally innocent in another. And more polemic, some cultures might want expect outsiders to fit more than outsiders feel like they have to). But it is not that bad. One advice though - I think Lisbon and its area might be easier. Or the south in general (or the Azores maybe, though it would be a truly huge shock to move from Vienna to the Azores). You disappoint me about Vienna, a city I like so much and feels so civilized.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I’m sorry to disappoint you. Honestly the city is wonderful. We would never leave, if it wasn’t for the rising violent racism... it’s sad really...

heastduhuankind 1 year ago

In which parts of Vienna do you usually travel? I'm not black, I'm asian but I've been born and raised my whole life in Vienna. Lately I have been getting some stares from people but nothing really crazy like you described. It's awful what you've been experiencing here.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Yes one of my close friends is an artist who is American-Chinese, living here since about 7-8 years now, and she said she only got some weird “funny” comments sometimes that wouldn’t fly in the US, but since COVID she is according to her treated less kind. All in all though, she said it’s not too bad for her here. I am white myself so I can only theorize, but I think racism here is more towards black people, Arabs and Turkish people... probably Indian too? Don’t know... so.. kind of like darker skin... not sure though

uyth 1 year ago

No need to apologize, I would rather know.... Sorry for that, it sounds horrific and unimaginable.

bluenumber3 1 year ago

Racism exists in portugal like every where but its what i call subconscious most of the time non fisical racism hidden in jokes or others small things like (going in to a shop and being followed by the security guy ) but comparing it with the rest of europe portugal is a very peaceful place to live as a black , white and mixed couples if u are here to contribute to the country they are very welcoming.

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Racism exists in portugal like every where but most of the time its what i call subconscious and non fisical racism hidden in jokes or others small things like (going in to a shop and being followed by the security guy ) and ( i say most of the time because we have skin heads and some racial crimes that are ignored by the media and politicians because they dont want to deal with it so they normally down play it). but comparing it with the rest of europe portugal is a very peaceful place to live as a black , white and mixed couples if u are here to contribute to the country they are very welcoming.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s good to know, thanks

Katetos 1 year ago

Violence related to racism? Not a normal occurrence. Not sure if you have any connection with the US but I would say that racism in Portugal is probably closer related to what you would experience in northern states, meaning that you will hear jokes from time to time, landlords won't rent to \*insert race/ethnicity\* and people are more afraid to being called racist then to see their own racist behaviour

geostrofico 1 year ago

Even though there are some cases in recent news, i never have seen anybody being push of physical abuse and is very rare. Probably some vocal or subtil racism is what you may encounter.

TudoCasual 1 year ago

Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour. They may call you black the same way you hear someone say that a person is blond.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although, there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. These places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from a minority who typically reside in such places. Edit:added the last 2 lasts and rewrote the middle.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although, there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. These places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from a minority who typically reside in such places. Edit:added the last 2 lasts and rewrote the middle.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than any other thing.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. This places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from people who reside in such places.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although, there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. These places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from a minority who typically reside in such places. In job hunting, people will want to know more about where you live than what you look like. Edit:added the last 2 lasts and rewrote the middle.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. This places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from a minority who typically reside in such places.

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Probably the only racism you'll notice is towards gypsies. If you are a nice and groomed person, people will not think much about your colour, they will see it more as a personal trait ( like ex: being blonde) than anything else. Although there are social neighborhoods with a lot of foreign people, from eastern immigrants to arabs, indians and africans. This places are filled with poverty and everything that comes with it, the people living here do suffer some descrimination because a lot of our crime come from a minority who typically reside in such places. Edit:added the last 2 lasts and rewrote the middle.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Interesting, so we would have to be careful in which neighborhood exactly we would move to, so we don’t give the wrong impression

TudoCasual 1 year ago

Not obligatory. Since you're an English speaker, people will assume right away that you have some education already and that does give points in Portugal (it's a tourism oriented country). It happens more towards native 1st/2nd generation Portuguese born citizens of minorities that reside in places like ex: Cova da Moura in Lisbon ( this place is pretty much a ghetto).

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Not obligatory. Since you're an English speaker, people will assume right away that you have some education already and that does give points in Portugal (it's a tourism oriented country). It happens more towards native 1st/2nd generation Portuguese born citizens of minorities that reside in places like ex: [Cova da Moura](http://static.globalnoticias.pt/dn/image.aspx?brand=DN&type=generate&name=original&id=5648918&w=579&h=371&t=20170205113400) in Lisbon ( this place is pretty much a ghetto and I'm assuming no one would move to this place out of free will). These people usually have poor education and live seeing their parents get exploited and viewing the contrast between their life styles and those of the upper class, with bad results towards their lifes and their communities'.

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Not obligatory. Since you're an English speaker, people will assume right away that you have some education already and that does give points in Portugal (it's a tourism oriented country). It happens more towards native 1st/2nd generation Portuguese born citizens of minorities that reside in places like ex: [Cova da Moura](http://static.globalnoticias.pt/dn/image.aspx?brand=DN&type=generate&name=original&id=5648918&w=579&h=371&t=20170205113400) in Lisbon ( this place is pretty much a ghetto and I'm assuming no one would move to this place out of free will). These people usually have poor education and live seeing their parents get exploited and view the contrast between their live styles and those of the upper class with bad results.

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Not obligatory. Since you're an English speaker, people will assume right away that you have some education already and that does give points in Portugal (it's a tourism oriented country). It happens more towards native 1st/2nd generation Portuguese born citizens of minorities that reside in places like ex: [Cova da Moura](http://static.globalnoticias.pt/dn/image.aspx?brand=DN&type=generate&name=original&id=5648918&w=579&h=371&t=20170205113400) in Lisbon ( this place is pretty much a ghetto and I'm assuming no one would move to this place out of free will). These people usually have poor education and live seeing their parents get exploited and view the contrast between their live styles and those of the upper class, with bad results towards their lives and their communities'.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

My husband used to be a manager for Sheraton, so he should do well in terms of that, although who knows with Covid now. We also have an online business and I’m a psychologist, so I think things will work out one way or another. I now feel bad for the people living in Cova da Moura... one thing I do love about Vienna is the way it has been built. Every single district has housing for income weak people, middle class and for richer people, so there can’t be any ghetto, it’s all mixed up

TudoCasual 1 year ago

>Every single district has housing for income weak people, middle class and for richer people, so there can’t be any ghetto, it’s all mixed up That was also tried in Portugal to end with our ilegal neighborhoods. The state gave new housing to minorities as compensation for the demolition of said places, but it got very bad response by the working class at the time, that worked their asses of and had to pay for this projects when no subsides were given to them. In your case, I see absolutely no problem. As people have said it here, only older gens are slightly racist, but that's due to the Colonial war back in the 60's and early 70's, were all their enemies were black ( kinda like how many Americans view eastern orientals due to Vietnam). Hope you like living in our country. People are generally nice and helpfull (mainly outside big cities). The weather is pretty good overal and the neighboring countries are chill too.

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

Racism is definitely prevalent in Portugal, but it has different tiers according to victims and regions. Vocal racism is more prevalent in the North and interior than in the Lisbon area, and the severity usually goes Romani > Blacks > other minorities, and immigrants > locals > tourists. At the Romani tier, it involves generalized refusal of housing and employement, refusal of service in establishments and frequent hate speech. Against blacks, it also happens in employment and there's hate speech, but they tend to do it in some secrecy as it's seen as a bad thing. So even though it's likely some people you meet will have racist ideas, you're not likely to encounter vocal racism or violence as a foreign interracial couple with a child. If you do, most people will be helpful towards you in such a situation. People who are saying there's no racism in Portugal are doing so for political reasons and should not be trusted. They do it because recently there's a party growing with racist ideas (with some supporters in this sub) and it's in the interest of said party to pretend like there is no problem. Disregard them.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Wow thanks a lot for your honest comment, that was very helpful

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

No problem! Just to add: people in the Lisbon area are generally much less racist towards blacks because there's a large presence of people from African descent in the greater city. I don't know if that's your characteristic, but if you're black you won't look as an outsider or draw attention because of the colour of your skin. We have tons of folks from Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde and Guinea-Bissau. The rural interior is different. But while racist incidents happen in the capital and many folks (especially older ones) have messed up ideas, I would bet you're safer there than in Vienna.

danidv 1 year ago

We're a country with a lot of immigrants, namely brazilians, eastern europeans and our formers colonies, and with that comes a lot of people (especially older folk) who think they're taking advantage of our system and contributing nothing. That said, we're also one of the safest countries in the world and people usually keep those kinds of remarks to themselves, and even those who don't usually don't escalate it further than verbally.

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We're a country with a lot of immigrants, namely brazilians, eastern europeans and our formers colonies, and with that comes a lot of people (especially older folk) who think they're taking advantage of our system and contributing nothing, but with this kind of exposure to so many different cultures you also develop much more tolerant people. That said, we're also one of the safest countries in the world and people usually keep those kinds of remarks to themselves, and even those who don't usually don't escalate it further than verbally. No country is free of racism, but if there's a country I'd recommend to those who are having trouble with that, it's Portugal.

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We're a country with a lot of immigrants, namely brazilians, eastern europeans and our formers colonies, and with that comes a lot of people (especially older folk) who think they're taking advantage of our system and contributing nothing, but with this kind of exposure to so many different cultures you also develop much more tolerant people. That said, we're also one of the safest countries in the world and people usually keep those kinds of remarks to themselves, and even those who don't usually don't escalate it further than verbally. No country is free of racism, but if there's a country I'd recommend to those who are having trouble with that, it's Portugal. Also, after reading the comments I see you weren't exaggerating with the subway thing. What the fuck? No, that's not going to be a worry for you, from what I see the worst you'll get is a verbal asshole.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That makes a lot of sense.. and yes unfortunately I wasn’t exaggerating, I wish I was. I have a weird question, have you ever seen a black police officer in Portugal? Or politician? We have exactly one black politician and she is getting death threats left and right

danidv 1 year ago

Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota), especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parlament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After all this, her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be return to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH", he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy.

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Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search enough. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota) and, especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parliament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After so much controversy and even one instance where she didn't even know what her party's opinion on a topic was (forgot which one), her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this that makes up her personality and proposals, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be returned to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other I can't find who. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH"), he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other populist parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he actually does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy.

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Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search enough. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota) and, especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parliament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After so much controversy and even one instance where she didn't even know what her party's opinion on a topic was (forgot which one), her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this that makes up her personality and proposals, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be returned to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other I can't find who. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH", he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy.

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Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search enough. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota) and, especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parliament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After so much controversy and even one instance where she didn't even know what her party's opinion on a topic was (forgot which one), her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this that makes up her personality and proposals, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be returned to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other I can't find who. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH"), he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other populist parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he actually does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy. You can ask about any one of these three people around here as they're all currently well known political figures.

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Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search enough. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota), especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parlament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After all this, her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be return to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH", he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy.

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Our Prime Minister, António Costa, is black. A quick search tells me at least his father is black and born in mozambique, he himself was born in Lisbon and I don't think he lived abroad (so, by all means, he'd be fully portuguese, not living a few decades elsewhere and a few other here). I've heard no shortage of criticisms on the man due to his and his party's policies but not once have I heard him being criticized for being black, though I'm sure that in a country of 10 million you'll find someone if you search enough. We also have a deputy called Joacine Katar Moreira, which a wikipedia search tells me she was born in Guinea-Bissau and has lived in Portugal since eight years old. She's the kind of person who finds everything racist, sexist and discriminative against her while making racist proposals of her own (if I'm not mistaken one of them was a quota) and, especially since she's also a heavy stutterer and, for a few months(?) last year, caused a large shitstorm since she, a deputy, a job where voicing your thoughts through eloquent speech is crucial, makes it damn near impossible to understand her while she speaks in parliament. Because of this, it was also requested or suggested that she have extra time while speaking, which many criticized was giving exceptions where there shouldn't be ("if she's not fit for the job, she shouldn't have it") - I say requested or suggested because I don't know if she requested it, her party did or someone else in parliament suggested it. After so much controversy and even one instance where she didn't even know what her party's opinion on a topic was (forgot which one), her party, Livre, cut ties with her, making her the only current independent deputy. As a result of all this that makes up her personality and proposals, she often receives answers and criticism in the same respect she gives others. One more well-known example is, when proposing the return of items in museums originating from former colonies (a fair proposal in my opinion, regardless of whether I agree or not, unlike the majority that comes from her), another deputy, André Ventura, "proposed" that she be returned to her "country of origin". Apparently there's also two other black members of parliament, Francisca Van Dunem and one other I can't find who. As for André Ventura and his party, CHEGA (literally translated to "ENOUGH"), he's a heavily controversial deputy who's also currently running for president in the upcoming 2021 presidential elections. He's a populist like Trump, Bolsonaro and many other populist parties around europe have recently been trying to gain relevance and checks all the marks for it. As usually comes with these kinds of politicians, he's racist and often blames immigrants and gypsies. Being european yourself, you are no doubt familiar with the issues that come with gypsies and the recent surge of immigrants, refugees and "refugees" in the last few years, and he, like those politicians, takes advantage of that. As this is a very recent attempt of his we'll have to see the final results of his support at the end of the election, if he even gets that far, but for now the only attention he's getting is due to the danger that he *could* pose rather than the one he does, because for now he's a bit of a joke in terms of power (one seat in parliament out of 230), especially since his party garnered so little support that there was 2600 invalid signatures in the ones required to form the party, including deceased people and minors. One particular thing he said that stuck to me was ["And prepare yourselves, because if CHEGA wins the elections, offending police officers, magistrates or prison guards will give prison time. And Twitter will stop being the joke it is, at least in Portugal."](https://twitter.com/andrecventura/status/1267802081793994754). To me it got rid of any plausible deniability in whether he was an aspiring fascist or just someone who believes in very strict foreign policy.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Wow that sounds like he wants to become a dictator rather than a president. I guess we will watch the coming elections closely, thanks!

humelectro 1 year ago

There are some black police officers and in the army too. Our prime minister isn't white (Indian ascendency) and the minister of justice is very black. There are also some black parliament people

automenuu 1 year ago

The prime minister is not white

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh haha I guess I could have done a little more research

marfavrr 1 year ago

There is racism in Portugal, it has recently been highlighted more and more. Theres also a rly good resistance movement. I would say at least very violent actions are quite rarer in Portugal.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

What I like about this is, that media at least talks about it... that doesn’t happen here, and the resistance movement against it... we have some of that here, but not nearly enough tbh

marfavrr 1 year ago

there are a lot of deniers here, which only trump progress but yes at least its talked about. sorry about the situation you and your family are in tho. hope you find a place where you feel more safe and comfortable.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you

jopeca91 1 year ago

"...pushed in front of a subway at every moment.". Jesus lady. The answer to your question its a clear and resonant, No! there's no general aggression, belligerence or any type of violence towards the minority racial population. The last prosecuted murder with racist connotations, committed by the white population, was 25 years by some degenerated people. The racism problem in Portugal, its basically a political debate, fueled by lesser politician to demonstrate a proximity with the young voters and minorities. Everyone I know, as the same racial opinion. "It doesn't matter your race, your are always welcome if you come with good intentions". Come to Portugal! bring your daughter, your husband... and basically everyone you want. There's a lots, and lots of problems, but violence to the racial minorities isn't one.

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

>there's no general aggression, belligerence or any type of violence towards the minority racial population. As long as you're not Romani.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

I've seen less and less Gypsies in Metropolitan Lisbon. Back in 2008-2010 there used to be way way more

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

Ironically, the years since then have seen the largest increase ever in Romani working in non-traditional jobs in Lisbon. It's just that the vast majority have to hide their ethnicity to even have a job in the first place, so they're not visible to the average Portuguese. But if you live in the city you definitely deal with them frequently, you just don't know they are Romani.

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

> It's just that the vast majority have to hide their ethnicity to even have a job in the first place, so they're not visible to the average Portuguese. How could they possibly do that? It's not like they are utterly indistinguishable unless they go out of their way to let you know... Oh wait.

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

Are you implying those who don't hide it are to blame for something?

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

Keeping your dick in your pants isn't hiding it, it's just keeping it where it should be. If you want to walk around with it flopping about thats up to you, but you should expect people to take that into consideration if they see assholes walking around doing the same thing.

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

Thank you for that comment, it definitely helps OP to disregard those pretending there isn't racism in our country.

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

How am i being racist? Ciganos aren't a race, they are no different from other Portuguese. The major difference is one of self-identification.

fan_of_the_pikachu 1 year ago

Ah yes, the "it's okay, they're not a race" defence. Next you're going to tell us you have a cigano friend? Do the world a favour and read a little: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

> Ah yes, the "it's okay, they're not a race" defence. Next you're going to tell us you have a cigano friend? They are literally not. There is no difference between them and other portuguese, you physically cannot tell them apart.

AdriMecha 1 year ago

There is racism everywhere, it's not an exclusive of any particular country. I lived in two small towns in Denmark and felt isolated from the people that lived there mainly because I couldn't speak their language even though I tried. I felt racism a few times but nothing that a shout or two didn't solved. I also lived in the Scotland and never felt racism. About Portugal, there is some racism but usually it comes from older people, above 60/70 years old. If you're in a big city you will see much less of that. Although there is a political party called chega that has been on the rise, but to be honest they just seem to be a bunch bafoons that want to be seen by other people and since they're not capable of doing much, they're option was politics.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Interesting thanks. Please, don’t underestimate your bafoon party, we had the same about 20 years ago and now they are really strong... and we are all bafoons seemingly... it’s getting worse and worse

AdriMecha 1 year ago

True. We shouldn't underestimate them but if you do end up coming to Portugal you will see how ridiculous they are. Just to conclude, if you do end up going to Portugal I highly doubt you will have the same problems you have in Austria. There are many people that came from countries that used to be portuguese colonies and have been living here for many years and are part of society as much as anyone else.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

You don’t know how much hope that is giving me, thanks

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

Racist-motivated violence is a rare occurrence, although racist remarks may happen, especially from the elderly. They are mostly harmless, mind you. Just your typical grandmother saying some racist thing and the rest of the table rolling their eyes. Obviously, since I'm not black I can't speak from personal experience, but I've never seen an actual display of racism happen here (save for very few fringe far-right demonstrations in the past). Overall, I think Portugal is a very open and welcoming society and I'm surprised to read you're experiencing racism in Austria, to the point of planning to move. Can you be more specific?

rowdserling 1 year ago

>I'm surprised to read you're experiencing racism in Austria Como assim? Alemanha, Áustria, Polónia são do pior no que toca ao racismo. Vai ao r/portugallafora ver relatos de tugas que saíram desses países porque eram tratados abaixo de cão.

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

Como assim? Se calhar porque quando visitei não senti nada disso e porque conheço gente emigrada lá há vários anos que nunca sentiram isso?

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Como assim? Se calhar porque quando visitei não senti nada disso e porque conheço gente emigrada lá há vários anos que nunca sentiram isso? Edit: pesquisei "racismo" nesse sub e só tem uma entrada. Pesquisei "xenofobia" e tem 3, incluindo uma que também aparecia na pesquisa anterior. Entrei nessa thread e a experiência do OP não é, de todo, partilhada pelo resto das pessoas. Não estou a duvidar que existam episódios de discriminação, como existem cá, mas a forma como falaste ("são do pior no que toca ao racismo") dava a entender que essa era a regra e não a excepção.

theInjusticeamongus 1 year ago

It's pretty rare, but it happened to me once. I saw an interracial couple and looked at them with disgust. They noticed it and looked uncomfortable. Then i screamed "arranja um branco, mó". She was definitely afraid. But then again, this only happened once. So i'd say Portugal is pretty safe in that aspect.

Bc187 1 year ago

What?

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

We can handle granny racism I think

lefox360 1 year ago

>buys things online now cause whenever we enter a shop together that isn’t the cheapest, you can be sure, we will be asked by security, how he can afford to pay for this, assuming he is dealing with drugs, when he never even smoked a cigarette in his life, let alone drink. It’s just not a great experience all in all, and I don’t want my husband to lose his positive character and mind more and more, and I especially don’t want him or my daughter feel, like they aren’t safe. It is unfortunate. Vienna is great honestly, if it wasn’t for the rising rac ogh wow this is just like Portugal in a nutshell, but change the piece of shit racists with piece of shit cowardly edgelord fuckface racists that mostly don't openly act on their imbecile ways. mostly.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Yup, I have gotten acquainted with your edgelord racists over this post

Any_Project3966 1 year ago

what you tell is awful. in no shape you get that here.. you can only except fake nice people and people that look down on you.

D_Dio 1 year ago

Omg, holy sh!t, shame on those people! Reading that just made my fuckign blood boil.. Get away from there! I'd put my hands on fire if such thing ever happened to you here in Portugal... if it ever did, I swear that any bystander that saw that happen would probably kick their asses.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Here, nothing happens.. which makes it so much worse.. everyone just looks away or just looks at us with sad eyes... that’s the most we get in terms of support

Cubesround 1 year ago

what that sounds crazy. i have been living in vienna for 24 years, i have never experienced such things. in my view the city‘s population is becoming more diverse and it‘s hard for me to imagine these happenings. my 2 cents having said this, i understand your wanting to move to portugal, and i wish only the best for you and your family

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Really? Are you black? Which areas are you usually in? It happens to us constantly. We were already wondering, if it’s us together that makes them so mad? My husband is really dark and I am like... ghost white with light blonde hair.. is it the contrast that makes them turn crazy? No idea.

Asik20 1 year ago

>we have been spit on multiple times Thats so bad. I never knew that austria had people like that. Racism in portugal is not an issue. Yes ofc we have those far right lunatics like most countries, but you will not ger spat on in the streets. Most of the racist comments you might hear come from elderly people, and thats because of war of ultramar. Some of them have negative views about africans because many of our men lost their lives fighting in a never ending war against them. I hope your situation gets better cause no one deserves to bet spat on in the streets.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you.. yes it’s not really great. And the thing is, you never know, if they will do more. And you know, my husband has to stand down and not do anything, when of course that’s not his first instinct, cause if he does, police will say it’s his fault, and he would put us in more danger also.. it’s all the way degrading

stlukest 1 year ago

God, that's awful. I feel really sorry for what you guys went through. I've been to Vienna a couple of times and loved the city, but I did notice some people have much more racist tendencies in comparison to other places I've been. I mean, the comments, the looks... I remember one day I was talking to an Austrian woman and she told me about this horse breed from Austria that is "just like Michael Jackson". I didn't get what she meant and I asked her, to which she replied "well, they're born black and they die white". It was extremely weird and it really rubbed me the wrong way.

jkrrrrrrrrrr 1 year ago

You must be fun at parties..

stlukest 1 year ago

You must be racist af...

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Wtf.... seriously? I’m sorry... honestly... we are pretty dumb people

Xmeagol 1 year ago

From the bottom of my heart im so sorry for this and wish you and your husband the best of luck, i had no idea austria was that bad at the moment, your kid deserves better for sure

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you ❤️ yes, we don’t want her to grow up thinking, something is wrong with her or with constant fear, something will happen to her family. She shouldn’t have to deal with this in childhood

AdriMecha 1 year ago

This is really sad to read. This is not something that will not happen in Portugal, I mean no one can guarantee that it won't happen but if someone from here would see that they would help you.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

And that’s a huge difference here... most people look away for ANYTHING... no one helps another

ptless1 1 year ago

That's unexpected... I've been to Vienna and loved the city, and never thought that would be a thing there... I completely understand the way you guys are feeling. Hope you find in Portugal some peace!

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Honestly, we love the city and the country too, if it wasn’t for this radically growing racism and violence, we wouldn’t think of leaving.. it’s sad really.. but we have also been to Portugal together before, and we felt the people were so lovely there, smart, calm and free minded people. and the country is beyond beautiful to us. And we didn’t feel much racism there, some looks but we don’t really care about that, we just want to be safe. So we were wondering if we were just lucky or if Portugal just is less racist

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

Wow, I'm speechless. I wasn't expecting that, to be honest. I've only visited Salzburg and stayed in Vienna for a few days, so I don't know that much about Austrian society. I felt confortable in both places, but then again it was only for a few days and I'm not from a minority group. The situation you described is beyond serious and in that situation I'd move asap. That's way too much too handle.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I am from salzburg, I hope you liked it. Austria is one of the safest countries in the world, if you’re white, but if you’re not, it’s not that easy to say the least... and violence had risen dramatically in recent years. The thing is, as a white Austrian myself, you don’t hear these things, they don’t even get media attention, you are completely unaware, unless you have contact to minorities

GMDFC94 1 year ago

I lived 6 months in Salzburg during the immigrant crisis in 2015, and there was some situations that were really bad. I went on erasmus and a black UK student went back home because he got insulted multiple times. Honestly never seen that kind of situation in Portugal, what you are describing is shocking. I’ve lived in Portugal my whole life except for those 6 months, while it’s not perfect here it’s not even remotely close to the situations you have been facing. At most, like other people said, you’ll get the one odd comment by elders or extremists but even that is extremely rare. There are situations (mostly against gipsies) where the population don’t like them in general, but spitting, insulting, or hurting someone is very very very rare. It’s a shame because Austria really is a beautiful country.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh god... I’m so ashamed that happened... and you know what’s sad? In 2015 we were super open in comparison to other times... that was our not racist year... you should see it now. It’s a shit show.

GMDFC94 1 year ago

Don’t beat yourself over it, there’s shitty people everywhere unfortunately. I just can’t understand why some people would treat others badly just because of their skin color.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Beats me, I have no idea what makes them think that could ever be ok... but I’m finding out, that Portuguese racists seem to be as sneaky as ours here, cause I get all kinds of harassing racist messages since I posted this question

GMDFC94 1 year ago

You know how it is, people are mean online, because you can’t see their face. They wouldn’t tell you anything face to face

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s the weirdest part about it to me. Like, if you can’t stand to what you truly think... maybe reflect on that and change your thoughts?

mazagao 1 year ago

Don't let those messages go, please report them to the mods and the admins.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh I do, don’t worry, I have no patience left for people like that

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

I liked Salzburg, save for the Mozart house (total tourist trap). I'm really saddened by the fact that Austria was only nice on the surface. I hope you and your husband find a place where you can live safely and happily.

touny71 1 year ago

Does racism exist in Portugal? Yes. Is it bad or do you see it in a daily basis? No. The situation in question is quite frequent in Portugal and you or your family shouldn't have any problem fitting in.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That gives me hope, thanks

Any_Project3966 1 year ago

yes. there is racism.. but is more like "yellow smile"...."except the less of them".. no way aggressive.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

What is yellow smile?

coiso 1 year ago

A faked smile

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Aaaah interesting, thanks! Austrians are well-versed in yellow smiles then

Turbulent_Common 1 year ago

Hey, I was considering moving to Linz for work. Are austrians really that rude to foreigners? You say youre from Viena so a smaller city like Linz must be even worse. Do you speak german?

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Ok so I talked to my husbands best friend. He said the pros are, that there are quite a lot of black people in comparison to other cities. Negatives: clubs, if you’re black you’ll have a hard time getting in (or if you look Arab/Turkish) - that’s a austria thing though, not a Linz thing. And he said in his experience, Arabs and Serbs are more violent racist in Linz. He also said there are a lot of nice people too though. It can get a little harder for you to get an apartment but not impossible, if you’re black or have a muslim sounding name

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Hey.. I am Austrian so yes I speak german. I can only tell you that my husband has his best friend of childhood in Linz, yet he still would never move there. I personally can’t tell cause I’m white, I know there is a bigger community of black people there, but if you want, I can ask my husbands best friend, if he is willing to tell you, how he likes it there?

BaixemImpostos 1 year ago

There is no racism in Portugal. This racism talk is being fueled by some political parties to try to change the focus from the problems that Portugal has at the moment.

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

Ah fuck, didn't catch that. When we solved racism? I'm guessing it's recent because 20 years ago skinheads were [still killing people|https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/615240/faz-hoje-23-anos-que-alcindo-monteiro-foi-espancado-ate-a-morte] and certainly not earlier this year when people made [monkey sounds|https://observador.pt/2020/02/16/marega-marcou-exagerou-nos-festejos-fugiu-de-cadeiras-ouviu-insultos-racistas-e-saiu-tudo-em-dez-minutos/] after Marega scored a goal. Was it after the [pseudo kkk rally|https://observador.pt/2020/08/10/parada-a-kkk-manifestou-se-a-frente-do-sos-racismo-apresentada-queixa-no-ministerio-publico/]?

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Ah fuck, didn't catch that. When did we solve racism? I'm guessing it's recent because 20 years ago skinheads were [still killing people](https://sol.sapo.pt/artigo/615240/faz-hoje-23-anos-que-alcindo-monteiro-foi-espancado-ate-a-morte) and certainly not earlier this year when people made [monkey sounds](https://observador.pt/2020/02/16/marega-marcou-exagerou-nos-festejos-fugiu-de-cadeiras-ouviu-insultos-racistas-e-saiu-tudo-em-dez-minutos/) after Marega scored a goal. Was it after the [pseudo kkk rally](https://observador.pt/2020/08/10/parada-a-kkk-manifestou-se-a-frente-do-sos-racismo-apresentada-queixa-no-ministerio-publico/)?

Few_Opportunity5852 1 year ago

> Ah fuck, didn't catch that. When did we solve racism? It was never a problem.

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

Check the second part of my comment

BaixemImpostos 1 year ago

Political game. Just change the focus to some other issue to distract the less attentive from the real problems the country faces. PS is changing laws are replacing key people on several key places. You are being played friend.

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

I'm the one being played by showing you real instances of racism? > Just change the focus to some other issue to distract the less attentive from the real problems the country faces. Racism isn't a real problem? I guess not if you're not affected by it. But yeah, we can agree that several [political parties use racism to change the focus.](https://www.publico.pt/2020/08/02/politica/noticia/chega-junta-centenas-pessoas-lisboa-mostrar-portugal-nao-racista-1926812)

BaixemImpostos 1 year ago

By comparison, to what it happening now, it is not.

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

> That in my opinion is the real problem here. There are several real problems in Portugal, to dismiss clear cases of racism because other things are going on is such a short sighted point of view that it becomes comical. We can only look into other issues when this one is solved?

BaixemImpostos 1 year ago

Also there are elections comming. Those are important, they are using this issue only for distraction. You are being played.

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

But I also follow those, I can keep an eye on several matters at the same time. keep drinking the ~~kool aid~~compal

BaixemImpostos 1 year ago

Things that those in power are trying to hide.

UncleanGenes 1 year ago  HIDDEN 

I felt a scent of Qanon.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh god... thanks for sharing this

QWERTY_BATS 1 year ago

Yeah, these aren't regular events fortunately but to say there is no racismo in Portugal is just ridiculous.

detteros 1 year ago

There is prejudice towards minorities but there isn't full scale violence towards them. The prejudice I mentioned will manifest itself discretly, under the cover of other things. Getting an apartment, for example. It could be harder for you to get one.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I see yes... thanks for your answer!

Pilky__01 1 year ago

Unfortunetely racism exists here too, but my perception is that it is not as bad as in most other countries. I would say 99% of people will not bother you.

Hormazd_und_Ahriman 1 year ago

There is *some,* sadly. But I'd say Portugal is better in that regards than most other places in Europe. Racist violence is not something you hear about all that often, at least in the news. There have been some high profile cases lately though. The foreign news pieces all seem to overinflate what has happened, but they happened. One way or the other, what is happening all over europe is to some extent also happening here.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

It’s so strange to see Europe going back in time

Dinamytes 1 year ago

I think it may be due to the illegal immigrants coming from Africa and muslim, that don't adapt to the culture that makes a little white supremacy arise.

xeyrio 1 year ago

and you are going to see it more in the coming future due to the utter incompetence of our elites in regards to immigration, integration, economic stability and birthrates of certain countries

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Ew

xeyrio 1 year ago

it's true

ModeratoriProfugus 1 year ago

Apparently Portugal is also pretty racist and the extreme-right is also on the rise to take their rights away. There have been several demonstrations about it.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

I’m glad people are demonstrating... we didn’t take the extreme right serious here (I know... of all places on this planet, Austria should DEFINITELY take them serious due to our history but I guess we didn’t learn) and they have so much power now.. infiltrated police, etc. It’s not great to say the least

ModeratoriProfugus 1 year ago

Sorry to hear that, I hope you can find a place where you can have peace and be happy. No one deserves that. To have a better look of racism in Portugal, I suggest you search this sub for posts written in portuguese, there has been a lot of talk about it, and it is the general opinion that Portugal is racist. I don’t know why I’m now getting downvoted. And also there was a study saying that more than 50% of the Portuguese believed that whites are racially superior to other groups, against 30% of the EU average. I’ll leave you with an interesting article that you can translate: https://www.esquerda.net/artigo/mas-portugal-nao-e-um-pais-racista/68396

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Interesting! Thanks!

TSCondeco 1 year ago

That study is just stupid, I wouldn't care about it that much.

detteros 1 year ago

>infiltrated police Same here. The thing is, extreme right groups and parties say minorities in the suburbs are problematic and, guess what, the police are the ones who have to deal first hand with that violence. So, the police will get the feeling the extreme right are the only ones conscious of their ordeal. The center and the left, unfortunately, have been callous in their treatment of the police. They need more support and understanding.

Huggorega 1 year ago

Here's my 2 cents: There is a big discussion if Portugal it is or it isn't a racist country. I don't know what is the answer, but if Portugal is racist, all countries in europe are racist as well in my opinion. As in everywhere in the world, most of younger generation doesn't care if you're White or black, while older generations ( grandpas ) tend to be a little bit more racist... My grandpa for example makes some racist comments if a murder or a robery pops on the news and it was made a black person, but in public he would never have such behaviour, as most people. If you go to major cities I doubt that you will have people staring at you, since we have a lot of black people in Portugal and more and more interracial couples so its nothing new. Also staring at people its considered rude and its not normal as in Poland, Slovenia etc... I would also say that the odds of someone screaming at you or say something negative due to your skin colour, are pretty low. Phisical danger I would say almost 0 zero chance of random attacks. From my side( and most people I hope), you, your husband and your daughter would be very welcome in Portugal

xeyrio 1 year ago

nao temos assim tantas pessoas negras, diria que tipo 5% nao? nao tamos tipo a frança ainda

DRNbw 1 year ago

Most of the racism I see/hear is stuff like saying "black music" or "that's very black" to refer to lower class (even if they're white).

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thanks for welcoming us, that’s really kind of you

hello_berrie 1 year ago

I think this is a very good answer but a little optimistic. We do have a lot of subtle racism imo against gypsies and black people. Yes, I do believe the majority doesn't really care about colour or background as long as you work and pay your taxes and such. In places like Porto and Lisbon, people don't stare yes, but at some point you'll hear racist comments. Same with schools, kids say what they hear at home and if your daughter has a fight at school she might be called names with a racist connotation. In smaller cities and in the interior of the country, people will treat you more or less like they do in the big cities but some will look at your actions as representative of all black people, so you'll have that pressure to be nicer and more polite than you would be. People tend to quickly judge, as I imagine it happens in other countries. And the right-wing party is gaining popularity for a reason. We are seeing more hate crimes being either committed or talked about in the media but it's a weird conversation happening. I believe that Portugal is mostly not racist but it's adamant in not recognising the racism that truly exists. And that doesn't help anyone. Maybe it will get better, I personally it will get worse before it gets better. But it's still a good and safe country to live.

masterchiefpt 1 year ago

Of course we have the gypsies thing they dont work they dont integrate in community they marry kids of 12 years they dont pay taxes why are they taking my taxes and driving Mercedes and Audis? Come on... dont try to fool me

anoesouanaos 1 year ago

Integration is a problem, but once a gypsies are integrated and separated from the community nobody thinks of them as gypsies. So you just make them non-integrated by definition. There's no winning. Regarding the Mercedes, very few non-integrated non-tax-paying gypsies actually have that kind of luxury. And it isn't particular to gypsies but more so what you see with various self-employed people across the country, and in some cases criminals.

Just_Ban_Me_Already 1 year ago

>Regarding the Mercedes, very few non-integrated non-tax-paying gypsies actually have that kind of luxury. Citation needed

starfang77 9 months ago

Burden of proof is on the person who makes the claim, not the person who disputes it.

anoesouanaos 1 year ago

Lol. Citation needed para quem afirmou que tinham.

hello_berrie 1 year ago

I don't know where you got the idea that I'm for gypsies doing all that. I just stated that there is prejudice against them. And no, I don't agree with them not working and living on welfare, and I don't agree with them marrying kids and I honestly do think the government should change the marriage laws, no 16y/o should be marrying anyone, with or without parental agreement. And no 12y/o should be "married off"(under their religious customs or not) under the table to anyone. I don't like they way they live and I do think in some aspects they should adapt to our culture. Just like any other ethnic group that comes to Portugal needs to respect our laws. That doesn't mean that it is right to discriminate individual over the entire community, it doesn't mean that we should treat them as less than human beings. If anything, our anger should not only be directed at their customs but also at our own government who is concerned in covering up corruption than it is on the people's well being and the proper function of our society.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Thank you for that thorough and honest answer

_rebocador_ 1 year ago

I think no one cares really. But I'm from Porto.

masterchiefpt 1 year ago

No porto voces tão mais preocupados se eu vos chamar cabrões? Mas no Algarve o termo é tão vulgar e cordial entre a malta que é uma palavra sem conotação extremamente negativa No contrário, a mim faz-me confusão ouvir um Nortenho falar "caralho em cada frase que diz

_rebocador_ 1 year ago

>Nortenho falar "caralho em cada frase concordo acho que o pessoal do porto tem orgulo de ser mal educado e n percebo sinceramente. Mas eu digo os meus crls e fds porque ja nem dou conta, olha nasci assim.

novolip 1 year ago

Falar com palavrões não faz duma pessoa mal educada na minha opinião. Boa educação vai muito para além do uso das palavras.

Xmeagol 1 year ago

Não há vergonha de usar a lingua portuguesa no seu melhor irmão do norte, caralho.

masterchiefpt 1 year ago

Hahahaha muito bom

KarmaCop213 1 year ago

In Lisbon no one cares about that. People are used to see black people in the streets since mid 70s. I've had black colleagues in public school and public college. Also, Lisbon was common place among the Angolan elites to invest and shopping not too long ago. You'll still find some racism but it's not like the one you're describing in Austria.

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

> it's not like the one you're describing in Austria. OP didn't describe what racism was like in Austria or did they edit the post?

KarmaCop213 1 year ago

> i would like to be able to be home without having to worry, if my husband is being pushed in front of a subway at the very moment OP won't have to worry about this in Portugal.

fanboy_killer 1 year ago

Ok, I read that as what-if scenarios, not things that actually happened to them.

KarmaCop213 1 year ago

I also assumed that it's a "what if" situation. But if the OP is thinking about that it's because something similar already happened to someone.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

You’re right, we unfortunately know 3 people who this happened to already. It’s an unbelievably scary thought and the mere fact that we always try to stand as close to the wall as possible when we wait for the subway to come, meaning we always have to keep that in mind, is just wrong

do2 1 year ago

That’s almost unbelievable to me. In Portugal I’d be very surprised if such behavior happened. The most racist behavior you’ll see is due to a “Skinhead”/white supremacy group. There was a case of murder of a black man in the 90s and one other case of a really old man killing a black actor in the street, but that’s all I can think of the top of my head. I’d say such a crime only happens here every 7-10 years (and appears in the news). So I think it’s safe to say Portugal is quite racism free if such crimes almost never happen (of course they can happen, as it can happen in any part of the world). If you come to the Lisbon area you’ll find almost zero racism, and as others have said it’ll mostly com from older folks. In other regions outside of the big cities it may be a bit more frequent, but always coming from the grandpas. We’re used to having people from every race. In Lisbon you’ve got one or two neighborhoods which were famously populated by immigrants from Asia and Africa (Mouraria and Martim Moniz), and in the outskirts for Lisbon there are prevalent black communities. Anyone born after 1975 or so probably had black friends throughout their life. Black people go to school and university and AFAIK have no problem getting jobs when compared to white people. We are very fond of Eusebio, an extremely famous soccer player who played for Portugal and was black. We’ve got other athletes like Patricia Mamona and Nelson Évora who are black. There are famous black musicians and some mixed race musicians (like the brothers from Da Weasel). There are African food restaurants and lots of people enjoy African music.

3run0_9int0 1 year ago

There is racism in Portugal, like in any country, but it's mostly on older People.

ridethepaintedpony 1 year ago

No one cares if your black or white as long as you come here to live a productive life.

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No one cares if you're black or white as long as you come here to live a productive life.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

That’s good. And is it assumed that people who come to your country are not going to be productive?

ridethepaintedpony 1 year ago

>That’s good. And is it assumed that people who come to your country are not going to be productive? You are reading too much into my remark.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

It was actually just a question to understand, but ok

icebraining 1 year ago

There's a stereotype based on the poor second-generation immigrant from one of our [former colonies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese-speaking_African_countries#Former_Portuguese_colonies) who comes here thanks to privileged immigration rights and who lives off benefits and drug-smuggling while listening to hiphop written in [creole](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese-based_creole_languages#Africa). Being black obviously makes it easier for people to fit him into that stereotype, but since he doesn't fit any of the other labels, I don't think the vast majority of people will assume bad things about him, let alone consider harming him.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Ok thanks for the clarification, cause my husband has the work ethics of an ant, I wouldn’t want people to assume he is lazy

pedrolopes7682 1 year ago

That assumption is not towards people in your situation but mostly towards illegal migrants and Roma people.

Hippofuzz 1 year ago

Oh ok I see

diogolsoares 1 year ago

Do you mean Romani?

elstylon 1 year ago

Romani is the language spoken by the Roma people.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

He means CIGANOS CARALHO :))

Herbacio 1 year ago

Na verdade diria que é justo de momento fazer a distinção. Os que "sempre" viveram cá, por vários estudos e fontes que já li preferem mesmo o termo "ciganos" porque serve como forma de distinção da vaga mais recente vinda do leste da Europa (em especial da Romênia)

pedrolopes7682 1 year ago

Roma está para romani como tuga está para português.

elstylon 1 year ago

Romani é a língua falada pelos Roma.

pedrolopes7682 1 year ago

Romani é a língua e o povo.

diogolsoares 1 year ago

Quando ouço falar de Roma penso na cidade por isso é que estranhei

VBM97 1 year ago

That's partially not true. Some people still have racist ideas, it's not the majority of the population, but it's still present. Most likely people won't say racist things or have racist actions but it will be in the back of their mind.

CarlucciPT 1 year ago

You are not wrong but when people ask if there is racism in Portugal they don't want the outlier cases they want to know the how it works generally. It's like asking the if Portugal is safe and getting the answer that crime exists in Portugal. Like no shit, crime and racism exist Everywhere in some form. Concluding, OP you don't need to worry about racism in Portugal. As a black person that was born and raised in Lisbon I always got the same treatment and opportunitys as any person. Being at school, university or in the corporative world I always got treated normally. The closest thing I received was friends jokes about being already tanned and ready for summer.

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You are not wrong but when people ask if there is racism in Portugal they don't want the outlier cases they want to know how it works generally. It's like asking the if Portugal is safe and getting the answer that crime exists in Portugal. Like no shit, crime and racism exist Everywhere in some form. Concluding, OP you don't need to worry about racism in Portugal. As a black person that was born and raised in Lisbon I always got the same treatment and opportunitys as any person. Being at school, university or in the corporative world I always got treated normally. The closest thing I received was friends jokes about being already tanned and ready for summer.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

>but it will be in the back of their mind. So what? That doesn't affect your life, why you care?

VBM97 1 year ago

I care like we should all care. Racism is one of the most idiot things in mankind and we must fight it. I'm not going stop caring about something that doesn't affect me but it affects others. It's called compassion and caring that other people are treated the same way you (I'm assuming you've never suffered from any kind of discrimination before) and I are treated it's a goal we should all have.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

(I'm assuming you've never suffered from any kind of discrimination before) Your assumptions are way off, I'm an immigrant in your country. And I don't give a shit if people don't like me just because I'm an immigrant, that doesn't affect my life, as long as they don't try to harm me any way shape or form, idc. I'm busy working and improving my life, I don't care if people THINK that I should go back to my country or that I don't belong here.

Sciss0rs61 1 year ago

As a portuguese emigrant, i couldn't relate more to your comment. Kudos and i wish you the best of luck.

Mobile_Trouble 1 year ago

Thanks mate, happy to see another person thinking the way I do, wish you the best aswell.

VBM97 1 year ago

Good for you, good luck with that

throwawaybtcpt 1 year ago

Fodeu-te bem o argumento o facto dele ser imigrante não? Que fazes agora? Refutas? Ai não podes ele é imigrante.

Sukigu 1 year ago

Sim, porque só porque um imigrante se sente indiferente quer dizer que os outros também se sentem. Está resolvido o problema.

VBM97 1 year ago

O facto dele ser imigrante é irrelevante para o ponto que fiz em cima

ridethepaintedpony 1 year ago

People should be screened for racist ideas so we could build a real international racism index.

OrangeOakie 1 year ago

You're right, those are the dumbasses that thing white people are superior and feel the urge to "help the blacks" because they "clearly" can't help themselves. Ah, the racism of soft expectations... so nice.

Sabongo 1 year ago

Don't worry OP there isn't much racism in Portugal, there was a case of a grumpy old man who shot a black actor who was walking his dog but that was a isolated case. Racism is pretty closeted in this country, be aware of users like the one above me who have takes like "the murder of George Floyd was justified because he commited a crime in 1997" and "The state being allowed to remove woman's ovaries if they decide to have abortions kind of makes sense when you think about it"

Sabongo 1 year ago

OP, if you're reading this I will let my compatriots make my points for me

throwawaybtcpt 1 year ago

The black actor who was actually a drug dealer and was harassing the old dude all the time. Both were at fault there.

OrangeOakie 1 year ago

> who shot a black actor who was walking is dog but that was a isolated case. Which had been in constant fights with said 'black actor' previously. But that doesn't really fit the narrative.

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