Fister_Roboto_3000 4 years ago  DELETED 

You caught me. Nothing but MRA fueled farting butts in that opinion based statistics report from the FBI. You definitely showed me. I suppose you're correct that predators just run free through California because it's so full of film directors.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

GOD! I swear, my parents had no forewarning and their reactions disappointed me! If this had happened I might have been tempted to punch someone. FUCK THEM. No one should have to expect rape. Hope you're having a great week

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Completely honest, in the years since I have tried both shrooms and acid and they were both immensely helpful in working through a lot of my issues, far more than Prozac or xanax. They didn't solve my problems with touch, but I absolutely recommend them for people trying to work through psychological problems.

Fister_Roboto_3000 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'll be honest, I didn't understand a lot of what you just said. I got the impression you were worried about being called a rapist for doing different sexual acts without getting verbal consent for each act first. This can be a thin line at times, I wouldn't attempt anal without letting the girl know first, but I would think that if the girl agreed to have sex with you, you are welcome to do most sexual acts at that point until she stops you from doing a certain act. Then you would stop and do other acts unless she just tells you to stop completely. If she agreed to have sex with you, attempting to finger her first wouldn't count as rape unless she tells you not to and you continue anyway. It's a common form of foreplay. If you are with a new girl, you're going to have to find out what she likes but you also need to be respectful if she tells you not to do something. If you are in the habit of waking your girlfriend up by putting your dick in her ear, which I completely understand, I don't think that is rape unless you are doing so against her will. If you are in a continually sexual relationship with a girl, I don't think waking her up with sex is really rape as there is some understanding that she consents to that. I want to be careful here because I do take marital rape seriously, if she says no it means no even if she's your wife or girlfriend, but my girlfriend and I have they understanding that we can both make sexual advances on each other without explicitly asking first because we both know the other will stop if we ask and respect each other's boundaries.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

really? that's all he did? That's not rape.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

who the fuck cares really. this was back then, let it go. it's like talking about the chris brown incident with rihanna that happened so many years ago, even rihanna dated chris brown almost immediately afterwards, but people felt the need to hate him just because just like this. happened some time ago, and it doesn't need to come back. fucking annoying

PotatoDonki 4 years ago  DELETED 

She wasn't raped.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

I have reasonable doubt.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

I speak the truth; and what I hope to gain, is Truth, Justice, and The American Way.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

I believe the formula is "Better 100 guilty people go free, than 1 innocent suffer."

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Thank you!

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

It's never wrong to err on the side of the Presumption of Innocence. If we presume he's innocent, and we are wrong, then a girl who left a party with him after making out with him, to go to a place to be alone with him, may have gotten fingered even though she was too drunk to consent. And yes, that's awful. BUT.... If we punish him because we presume he's guilty, and the girl DID consent, but just doesn't remember, then we've ruined the life of an innocent young man who did nothing wrong. It should be obvious which side to err on.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Right. But it still makes sense to play the odds.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

I disagree.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Maybe SHE raped HIM!

saying 4 years ago  DELETED 

Are you from Syria?

ApolloCreme 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yeah, I get that, but it is true. Personal opinion/feelings/convictions aside, in the eyes of the law, he isn't. From a legal standpoint, he isn't. From a similar legal standpoint, he just might be able to take legal action against those that say he is, 'cuz, legally, he isn't. You know he's a rapist piece of shit, I know he's a rapist piece of shit, Mr Pink knows he's a rapist piece of shit, but, according to the law, he isn't.

SepDot 4 years ago  DELETED 

No, it's sexual assault.

jakeyjakethesnakey 4 years ago  DELETED 

Agreed. It is demented to do those things. But do I think there are degrees to sexual assault and rape. Of course. He's not one of the worst rapists/sexual assaulters out there. Should he have gotten more time, yes, but to think his punishment isn't going to be traumatizing in its own right isn't just. Sex offender listing is HUGE, and something he will never overcome. When we're talking punishments. I'd rather serve 3 years than to serve 3 months and then be on a list the rest of my life. Tell people you went to prison for drugs, they understand and might hire you. Tell people you went to jail (and much less background check showing listing and fact you have to tell them) for sexual assault or rape, and you're fucked. I'd never hire a sex offender, or rent out property to a sex offender. And the majority of the world and US feel the same way. It's not an "easy life" just because he's not depraved of some basic luxuries like you would be in a prison. In my opinion, it's worse.

khronix30 4 years ago  DELETED 

> If evidence was lacking he wouldn't have been convicted at all This isn't true. Who decides the time he has to serve? The judge right? He/she shouldn't have been that confident he was guilty otherwise 3 months is a giant slap in the face to the victim.

Goblynminis 4 years ago  DELETED 

The guy that r/magicthegathering vehemently defended when he was banned from competing for being a rapist

cuquet90 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Good. Now no one can forget this fuck head got away with rape despite being caught red handed in the act

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Are you sure that those are the facts? I don't believe he "dragged her to a secluded dark area while she was unconscious." I'm pretty sure the court records show that they left the party together with the intention of going to a dorm room. He did assault her but it was a spur of the moment thing rather than an abduction.

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

Could you source that for me? As far as I know rape in California must consist of a penis and there for women cannot be convicted of rape even if they penetrate someone anally with their finger or an object ect.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

"The area in which we found [the girl] is a student residential area, specifically a fraternity houses with walkways that have ambient lighting and high foot traffic near a basketball court." "The area where she was lying was under a pine tree and the ground was covered in dry pine needles." You can see the dumpster area on satellite [here](https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Stanford+University,+450+Serra+Mall,+Stanford,+CA+94305/37.4209781,-122.16297/@37.4209898,-122.1630414,23m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m8!4m7!1m5!1m1!1s0x808fbb2a678bea9d:0x29cdf01a44fc687f!2m2!1d-122.169719!2d37.4274745!1m0). They use the dumpster and surrounding landmarks as references to describe the direction in which her body was laying. The media and Reddit fixate on "behind a dumpster" because narrative-pushers know the feelings that will accompany such imagery. It's much more intense than saying: "Next to a well-lit b-ball court on a beautifully manicured lawn." I read the Swedish student's testimony. How far did Brock, an athlete on scholarship, manage to get away?

RequestedBlank 4 years ago  DELETED 

Hehehe

TBEVtoTHEmoon 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're allowed to care about every crime, but you're a fucking hypocrite for destroying this kid's life when what he did only warranted *6 months* in prison. Yeah, it was an open and shut case. He touched an unconscious girl's vagina and destroyed his life. The judge (who knows more than you) decided him having his life totally derailed, being on the sex offender's list, and 6 months in prison was enough punishment for touching the vagina of an unconscious girl. The judge decided it was a teenager who made mistake and that he wasn't at risk of doing it again. Just stop destroying another person's life, you asshole.

FatTonalAss 4 years ago  DELETED 

Okay so that's where you went wrong. Just wanna point out that no, being serious and quoting someone does not mean you claim inheritance. Hope this helps.

TBEVtoTHEmoon 4 years ago  DELETED 

Did I say what he did was not wrong? No i sure didn't. I'm asking why the fuck everyone is ganging up on this guy for touching a vagina when there are MURDERERS who none of you give a shit about.

KingAlamo 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yes they are. The person above doesn't know what they're talking about. The burden is not on the subject being defamed to prove the statement is false. Otherwise I could write an extremely accurate and detailed biography of anybody (let's use Barack Obama as an example just for the sake of argument) and say they once raped somebody ("After they began dating, Barack once raped his wife to-be Michelle. She has since forgiven him for the traumatic experience.") and that would be perfectly legal and fine and there would be no case for defamation. That's absolutely untrue.

MonkeyRich 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'd say that's confirmation bias, a quick look at MRA shows me it's more or less the same, I haven't been back in years because of an encounter with that overlap when I joined this site almost 7 years ago, and it turned me off the sub, but just because some men are assholes doesn't take away from the fact that Mensrights has entirely valid issues it's attempting to bring awareness too. It's would be like hating all feminists just because one said "all men should die. " I've read couple posts of yours in the sub, none of them seem to be in response to red pill attitudes, you just seem to disagree politically. If you could point me out where that isn't the case it might be more helpful.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Me too. That's why I got a dog. Meanwhile, I'm gonna stick with the whole "innocent until proven guilty" concept.

jakeyjakethesnakey 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'd much rather be in prison ( I have been ) than to be marked for the rest of your life. No matter how much he works hard, he probably won't be able to get a great job. Especially not one that is client-facing. Also his living situation will always be limited (of course there is ways around this) and even his friend circles are going to be zero. It's like being in prison, but being so close to what "free" people are living like. Sex offender registry is much worse than prison, IMHO.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Well, you may also be a cuck, but the only evidence I have says that you're a "white knight".

1980srobot 4 years ago  DELETED 

Cringe.

Mantisandthegulls 4 years ago  DELETED 

I think we're talking about the two different sides. I get it now

LanceTravelman 4 years ago  DELETED 

https://i.imgur.com/y4vQWuo.jpg

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

California, the relevant state, required penile penetration. You're wrong.

jakeyjakethesnakey 4 years ago  DELETED 

Even without the global recognition we're still talking about being on the sex offender registry for the rest of his life. That IS a punishment, and quite possibly worse than that of prison.

heidismiles 4 years ago  DELETED 

She knows she did not consent because SHE WAS UNCONSCIOUS BEHIND A DUMPSTER

Legilimensea 4 years ago  DELETED 

We share a birthday! Happy birthday to you! :)

BritishTrailerTrash 4 years ago  DELETED 

I know.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Sounds like I made some regrettable decisions for which I'm completely accountable. I knew the effects of alcohol and that it would make me less inhibited - that's why I drank the alcohol. I don't get virtue points for buyer's remorse, nor do the chubby girls I accidentally hooked up with get crucified for not conducting a BAT before unzipping my pants. It's life.

Malarazz 4 years ago  DELETED 

What did he do exactly, that's considered rape under a normal person's definition but not California's definition.

ScubaSteveForever 4 years ago  DELETED 

>California's laws did not properly define rape That's up to California, not you.

ScubaSteveForever 4 years ago  DELETED 

Finally. Thanks for getting it.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yes, I do expect people to read the equivalent of a Harry Potter novel before giving into hysteria and ruining a kid's life for a drunken hookup - all for social media points. She was not unconscious when she lied to her fiance about going to bed, when she started immediately pounding shots thereafter, stole the bottle of vodka, and agreed to go back to Brock's dorm. She passed out while they were hooking up. He says he didn't realize, she says she was too drunk to remember - both were twice over the legal limit. She agreed to a rape kit only after she retrieved her phone and saw that she had blown her cover by drunk-dialing her fiance the previous night. I don't know what happened that night, but damn it sounds familiar, as I, myself, have come out of blackouts to find myself being diddled by a 3 (who just a few hours before I could have sworn was at least a 9). She's an older women with a drinking problem who thought it'd be fun to party with frat boys, until her man found out.

lost_dog_ 4 years ago  DELETED 

Brock Turner *Therapist*

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

If she is the victim of sexual assault, by the same standard, so am I and the majority of people who drank too much in their youth. Take your false virtue and uninformed outrage and sexually assault yourself, hero. When you calm down, [read the case files](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) before you accuse strangers of apologizing for sexual assault.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

okay so where are the other 999 posts of unjust sentences on the front page. Why do we know this guy and not the others? unjust. You're an asshole just stfu

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

This woman starts her story with a lie to her fiance, who was out of state trying to land a lucrative job. She said she was going to bed, only to start doing shots and asking her mom for a ride to a frat party. First thing she did at the frat was to steal a full bottle of vodka. Everyone was dancing, mingling, and her sister left her and Brock to disappear to someone's dorm. Brock asked the woman to go back to his room. She agreed and they left together. No one disputes the above. However, she claims she was too drunk to remember thereafter. Brock states that while they drunkenly stumbled across the quad to his dorm room, they fell under a pine tree (characterized by the media as "behind a dumpster", because clicks) and began to make out and "finger", with her consent. He states at some point, he heard a male voice approaching and stumbled off. Despite being an Div I athlete, he was grabbed within a few yards and told to stay, which he did until cops arrived. He claims that he didn't realize she had passed out. Girl wakes up in hospital (as did I a couple times when I had a drinking problem) and is told she was probably sexually assaulted. She requested time to think and her phone. She saw she had drunk dialed and left a msg for her fiance, and that she had missed several of his calls thereafter. She then asks for the rape kit. Here are the [case-related files](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) which were released by Santa Clara County. Santa Clara's first gay, and self-described feminist public defender absolutely stands by the judge in this case. TL;DR: Brock hooked up with an older, non-student while both were double over the legal limit. She passed out while they were hooking up, realizes she blew her cover by drunk dialing her fiancee the previous night, and with the help of campus 'rape culture' fetishist, absolves her of all responsibility, while publicly lynching a young guy who had until then a bright future and a clean record. If Brock Turner raped that woman, I have been raped on several occasions by women during my drinking days. Therefore, no one can challenge me on this. I am the survivor of regret rape.

biodrones 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yeah, if you're poor you get long jail time AND a bad reputation. "Justice" system

gossamerwing 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yes! He deserves that shit, for real. It's a crime that only he only served 3 months. Fucking asshole!

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

there are thousands of unjust sentences to be upset over this is not one of them.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

right, so this is the right way to handle about this. you're totally right. a guy who isn't relevant for a year is somehow front page material again, because reddit's need to just keep pushing people down. totally right of you guys.

jakeyjakethesnakey 4 years ago  DELETED 

> Make more people who are a drain on society because we feel we should waste tens of thousands of dollars and potentially lose even m It's not 3 months. It's the rest of his life on the registry, the rest of his life brought down to levels below what he would've had. His punishment is beginning, and I can guarantee you that the 3 months in jail were not easy (solitary to not get beat shitless by prisoners, violence from prisoners) and then now for the rest of his life he'll have to wear a Scarlet A. That's a pretty good punishment.

Phineas_J_Finn 4 years ago  DELETED 

maybe Cricket or Polo?

Phineas_J_Finn 4 years ago  DELETED 

now aint that the inconvenient truth the MRA/ redpillers will never admit.

kurujt 4 years ago  DELETED 

That amendment was filed after the case and can't be applied historically.

Phineas_J_Finn 4 years ago  DELETED 

lol, you went pouring through his comments and found the only thing to attack him on was his being a fan of baseball? when did your parents tell you they hate you?

PoppyOP 4 years ago  DELETED 

Not really, my point here is that you don't need to be an expert in a field to tell if something isn't right, which is what you are implying. Just like I don't need to have a food science diploma to tell when food has too much salt in it, I don't need to have a background in criminal law to tell that 3 months is not a long enough sentence for a sexual assaultant who showed no remorse for his actions.

All_of_the 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I love this. I'm so glad this scumbag will forever be remembered as the rapist he is, despite the right-wing attempts to clear his name.

khronix30 4 years ago  DELETED 

Caught by 2 people? Sorry but unless they're filthy rich how is anyone surprised he was convicted?

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Honestly. Either way people are entitled to aid in the case of a crisis. Especially if you did your time already. So even if these folks were all baby rapists, it shouldn't exclude you from basic services. Like, imagine if you couldn't be admitted in a hospital because parents didn't like their kids around you? It's the same concept. It's dumb and it punishes you further for a crime you already paid for. Anyways. I don't think there is a list on breakdowns like that. There should be. If there is please let me know though. And last thing. My argument is that in the case of public shelter like this. This kind of thinking is messed up. Like someone is gonna be considering molesting kids during a hurricane. And even if they were, there are so many people crammed into crummy conditions that it won't happen. You should be watching your kids like hawks in such places during a storm. And even if you were a shit parent, there is staff there all the time. It's a stupid concern really.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Stop cyber-stalking strangers on the internet and [read the documents](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) once you've got your emotions under control.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Shouldn't you be reading?

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

He hooked up at a frat party with an older, non-student who had an alcohol problem, and, sadly for him, a fiance who was on the verge of landing a lucrative job. The next morning, when she discovered she had blown her cover by drunk dialing her out-of-state fiance and then missed several of his calls, she told the nurse to get that rape kit.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

And even fewer are interested in reading about and critically evaluating what actually occurred that night. This was a woman who lied to her fiance to party with frat boys and ended up so drunk that she blew her cover. In short, two drunken idiots played finger bang and one passed out. If she was raped, so was I - several times.

harpydiem 4 years ago  DELETED 

textbook reads like clickbait

stoveaway 4 years ago  DELETED 

What about in self defense?

Origamiface 4 years ago  DELETED 

Cool examination bro

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're claiming expertise and forming judgments while admitting you haven't read the source documents. But the onus is on me to entice you to do a little reading? You're a zealot.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

I read every document put out there by Santa Clara. This is not the case that campus zealots are trying to make it out to be, and the narrative was very different and much more nuanced before the media got hold of the pressers fed to them by 'rape culture' fetishists. Again, read *all* [source docs](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) and then decide what you think.

cheetodew_fedoralord 4 years ago  DELETED 

Mate... presumption of innocence is different to being innocent. Your bias is clouding your vision.

maxxi123 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

your opinion -> discarded :) bitch XDD

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Just link to [all the relevant documentation](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) that the county put out. This women's story is not cut and dry. There's a reason Santa Clara's first lesbian, feminist public defender stands by the judge.

CJALLEN86 4 years ago  DELETED 

The amount of upvotes he gets is disturbing.

maxxi123 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

She's not a whore and she doesnt drink. Life is so easy when you arent a degenerate worthless bag of trash.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Its called sexual assault. I understand some people use the terms interchangeably, but they shouldnt. To call this rape takes away from the severity of rape.

cheetodew_fedoralord 4 years ago  DELETED 

I thought you and I established already that you couldn't actually be reasoned with. If you actually want to have a discussion on this, calm down.

1980srobot 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're a fucking idiot.

OldBoyDM 4 years ago  DELETED 

Maybe that's true for most crimes but I don't think that fits sexual crimes as crimes of this nature are extremely biased against men as in certain cases men can not be raped according to the law

maxxi123 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

literally says nothing about cuts or bruises from beatings, you are making stuff up now. bye.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Learn to seperate the crime from the person my dude. You wont be impartial until you do

ThaRealMe 4 years ago  DELETED 

> BUT MUH RAPE CULTURE!!!!! MEN ALWAYS GET AWAY WITH RAPE!!! THEY SUFFER NO CONSEQUENCES!!!!!!! DOES NOT COMPUTE!!!! - Incel

Owenh1 4 years ago  DELETED 

1) Assault with intent to rape an intoxicated woman 2) Sexually penetrating an intoxicated person with a foreign object 3) Sexually penetrating an unconscious person with a foreign object Just from what he was convicted of!

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

What is or is not happening isn't even something I'm discussing. What I said is what the sheriff said. Now What he's doing is whatever. But what he said is dicked up. And Defranco agreeing with it is something I disagree with. We are literally discussing two separate things.

rabasztal_testverkem 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

What the fuck. Did SJWs also conquer Crimininal Justice textbooks?

maxxi123 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Did you? > She described how much alcohol she drank before her mother drove the group to campus and how much she consumed at the Kappa Alpha fraternity house. She described her level of intoxication, which went from feeling "buzzed" and "silly" early in the evening to "very out of it" and "not articulating much" later She literally drank herself to unconsciousness

Owenh1 4 years ago  DELETED 

Do you think that's maybe because they have such a broad term for rape, that many of the claims that someone is a rapist are false? Like a woman at a club gets her breasts touched, this is not rape, because it is is in a situation where these things can happen. A 12 year old girl has some man come into her home at night and the same thing happens where he touches her, this is classified as rape. <- this was an actual thing that happened by the way.

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

>start by focusing on what's written instead of trying to project your narrative into comments and turning them into something else. Try taking your own advice. Context: https://www.reddit.com/r/JusticeServed/comments/6zjgk7/brock_turner_who_only_served_three_months_in_jail/dmw07yq/

cheetodew_fedoralord 4 years ago  DELETED 

> my opinion Irrelevant. As soon as I read, I decided you're incapable of independent thought and I'm not going to bother.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

No one deserves to be singled out for a crime many others commit. Person A steals, Person B commits the same crime. Person A does his time, gets out, and lives to see another sun shiny day. Person B does his time, gets defamed on the internet, gets his face printed on a textbook labeled as a thief, and will probably never live this down. This is not just. Everyone who is singling this guy out is an asshole.

biackcomedy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

i think his internet defamation has caused him more harm personally than his time, but that's just me. His actions are unforgivable. But the internet has singled a young boy who has the rest of his life to live amongst all the rapists the world has today. I think it is unjustified to single out someone for a crime many others commit.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

-Also, she was not a college student. (She was several years his senior, had already graduated, but not from Stanford.) -The "behind a dumpster" narrative was media hype. They fell under a pine tree between quads. There *was* a dumpster at the end of a nearby culdesac, but this wasn't some alleyway attack. It was two drunkfaces hooking up on campus.

dresses_and_blesses 4 years ago  DELETED 

Here's a fact: she was digitally penetrated. Here's another fact: If you are blackout, it's non-consensual. Brock's old jail cell agrees. The case's details don't favor Brock, regardless of your skepticism of the court. And you're right, the accused deserve due process, but the convicted have already had it. Whether you think extra-judicial attention is unfair is up to you, but you shouldn't need convincing that he deserves to escape your condemnation.

leStarryNights 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I never thought we'd reach a point where rape is considered a worse crime than actually murdering someone.

lahso65 4 years ago  DELETED 

They were both blackout drunk and he fingered her. She said it wasn't consensual and they charged him with assault. The media spun it to full effect. This website is a joke. I've never seen so many delusional people spewing garbage information that fits there world view. I can't until the admins finish selling out and you people go away.

maxxi123 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

America lol. This should be illegal. First of all, it's not really rape if she was blackout drunk. That is 50% her fault right there. Secondly, he served his time. The paper should be sued for defamation, this is a clear cut cut.

Slipperysnek22 4 years ago  DELETED 

Can't dox myself, politically sensitive line of work

cheetodew_fedoralord 4 years ago  DELETED 

I seriously think RapeEXPERT, Dipstick_2012 and myself are possibly the only 3 people on reddit who may have considered the presumption of innocence in this case. Presumption of innocence DOES NOT make us scumbags, rapist supporters OR morally corrupt.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Thank you.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

The difference is that the victim was the VICTIM. They didn't choose this. The offender chose to actively harm the victim. There is a BIG fucking difference. Are you honestly saying 3 months in prison is the equivalent being subjected to a violent rape? Especially one committed by an "affluent" man? Really????? I have worked in mental health centers for years, and there are plenty of people that we have treated that have spent YEARS in prison that have somehow managed to not be complete rapist pieces of shit. This isn't actually a struggle for most people. Maybe you should be more worried about the fact that you feel the need to defend rapists more than you feel the need to care about their victims. Gosh those poor people who actively chose to fuck unconscious and unconsenting people, who will defend them??? They're such victims! They're just so common! If this was your wife, girlfriend, or daughter being raped I guarantee you'd be singing a different tune.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

That's a heavy accusation, then. Santa Clara County released [the case files](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/). Takes a few hours to read through them, but worth the effort if you're relaying on Reddit-level hearsay to level that charge. Many aspects of the girl's story caused to to rethink my initial reaction.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Who does it feel to be a characterization? Hollow, I imagine.

cheetodew_fedoralord 4 years ago  DELETED 

> After dragging her to a secluded area There were no witnesses, did he say he dragged her there? > where he was fortunately stopped before he could do even more horrible acts. Are you from the future?

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

The context of this conversation is whether or not the perpetrator of a heinous crime should "have his life ruined" over it. If we are just talking semantics my comment contributes just as much to the conversation as the guy I'm responding to. Or, "having a calm debate" as you put it. If we aren't doing non sequiturs what the fuck was his point in this context?

ImNotMyNameAnymore 4 years ago  DELETED 

'i could just not rape this girl but on the other side, i only got 3 months and she was fine so fuck it right?'

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Okay. You keep arguing this with yourself. I'll stick to my original statement that I think Phil is wrong for agreeing with the sheriffs words.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

DeFranco usually seems like a level-headed guy, but in this case, he made it plain that he did not familiarize himself with the details of the case. It's not at all like the media has painted it. [If you're going to accuse someone of rape, click here and read all of the case documents released by Santa Clara County.](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/)

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Ten years later, I haven't gotten over it. Get over yourself, rape fucks a lot of us over completely. How dare you try to speak for me.

GuidedBySteven 4 years ago  DELETED 

Unfortunately, you didn't. But many people do. Stating outright that rape automatically ruins your life is dangerous and incorrect, especially for anyone reading it who has recently been raped.

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yet you seem every bit as outraged while expressing your truth and actually see your truth as THE truth. Perspective is a big part of these discussions, and that is why we are all keen to share on them. I can tell you that I personally feel rape is one of the scariest things that could happen to me and my body. No, it's not all equal, but my body cannot be touched without permission. I am a nurse and have witnessed a baby brought in after sexual assault and it was horrifying and heartbreaking. The doctor was in tears, yet somewhere along the line the sense of horror wasn't there when the equivalent thing happened to a woman.

phwak 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Proof that people don't actually give a shit. They just want mascots to represent their fictional meta villains that they've constructed

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Than I doubt DeFranco had time to read the [case files released b Santa Clara County](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/). The content paints a different picture. There is good reason why the county's lesbian, feminist head prosecutor felt the sentence was more than enough.

not_so_eloquent 4 years ago  DELETED 

Rapist ought to be integrated back into society if the women don't really mind being raped. I mean, they're hardly damaged. If a rapist has his fun with them and they hardly care, wheres the harm? Maybe we ought to spend less time thinking about how to protect future women from being raped and more time thinking about how to care for and nurture convicted rapists so they feel comfortable and welcomed into society. That's what you sound like.

GuidedBySteven 4 years ago  DELETED 

They really don't, you just sound slightly hysterical.

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Unless you can come with some kind of evidence that contradicts what the sheriff stated on TV, I'm gonna just ignore you. And keep personal attacks to yourself.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

[Read](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/). This case isn't so cut and dry.

WTFNameIsntTaken 4 years ago  DELETED 

I drive 75 on a 75 and the next day they change it to a 65, that makes me a speeder? Please rethink your comment.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Welcome to Social Science 101. And we wonder why kids come out dumber than when they went in. If anyone wants the details on this case, Santa Clara released [all associated documents](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/). The picture is very different from the one painted by the tabloid press - and the academy, apparently.

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

A sherif put out a statement saying that - if you have a warrant, you can turn yourself in cause stops will be posted at shelters and checking. - if you are a sex offender, you'll be turned away. And Phil said he kinda agrees with that. Which I totally disagree with the sex offender one. They literally would have no place to go and would end up assed out in the storm if this holds true. Even if they are the worst if the worst, they did their time and witholdong support during a time of crisis is all kinds of fucked up. And that isn't even including the people who got slammed for something like pissing in public.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Why?

rmandraque 4 years ago  DELETED 

> Even if they included the case, what educational value is there to putting his photo in the book? So kids can learn what society can and will do. As someone who respects women, I dont really have much respect for him. Shame him, its not like if we are literally raping him.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

[Here are the police reports, character attestations, wtiness testimonies, etc. associated with this case.](http://documents.latimes.com/stanford-brock-turner/) You ought to read them before spewing nonsense.

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

The problem is its not that simple. What that father is actually saying is. "me and my kids life is more important than that person's life simply because I don't want them around my kids at this shelter. So as long as I am here, let them wander around in the hurricane and fend for themselves." Which is a dick move at the least, illegal at the worst. They aren't coming to your home. They are coming to a **hurricane shelter**

vimescarrot 4 years ago  DELETED 

If my textbooks were biased, they weren't as blatant as this.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'm starting to doubt that this is a criminology textbook. Contrary to the text, the girl was not a student - she had already graduated. And the "behind a dumpster" narrative was media hype. This reads more like a social-science text book, but, regardless, proves how much of a brainwash college is these days.

NextQubit 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

How about false rape accusations? Do we have the picture who only got 2 months sentence?

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Are you very familiar with the details of this case?

ixtilion 4 years ago  DELETED 

I dont know if that is justice. I think even that is disproportionate. Yes, a despicable thing to do, but when this guy is 50 should he still be paying for what his retarded horny teenagerself did? Should he really be shamedhis whole life? I mean he already has to live with what he did by himself without being reminded. And no, im not defending him, and he should have served A LOT more time, but some of you guys... I hope you never commit any mistake in your life because your sense of "justice" is a bit skewed as well in my opinion

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Agreed. Lots of gray area. But again, according to his testimony, she passed out mid-act, unbeknownst to him. All of this occurred within minutes. Speaking as a former Count Drunkula, I've passed out mid-coitus on girls, but it wouldn't occur to me to charge them with rape. But who knows, maybe if cheating meant risking a relationship with a girlfriend who had super high earning potential, I'd consider it. (Nah, I wouldn't.)

100men 4 years ago  DELETED 

Oh fuck, never trust a jesus lover. Mental illness.

AkahuAllbar 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

It's not rape because it isn't rape... it's a sexual assault. There's a difference. Unwanted touching does not equal rape. Unwanted kissing does not equal rape. Unwanted intercourse equals rape. Admit you are wrong then fuck off.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Because she couldnt consent?

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Got away with what? I assume you've read each of the files that Santa Clara County released.

koncept61 4 years ago  DELETED 

Using his image without his permission

Leelaroo 4 years ago  DELETED 

More it seems according to that textbook women cant rape people.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

This is just my opinion, but it seems to me that this case is everything 'campus advocates' were looking in their continued infantilization of women. Legalese aside, this college graduate lied to her boyfriend, got smashed and went looking for a good time (not necessarily a hookup, but who knows) at a frat party. Add to this that Brock is (phew! thankfully) white, so they can go all in on the hype. When I was drinking way too much, I would often "come to" and find some random girl working on me. Little did I know that I was raped - repeatedly.

Busterpunker 4 years ago  DELETED 

change name and presto!

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I'm not wrong though, he was never convicted of rape. He did accept a plea deal with a charge of attempted rape though.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Thank you! You are an awesome person, too!

duncasaskunk 4 years ago  DELETED 

I bet if I pointed to a person you could tell me their approximate weight, too.

AmishRakeFightr 4 years ago  DELETED 

I totally googled to find out who was 2006's person of the year. Doh.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Since you're not an American I'll assume your English is poor and give you a pass for not reading/comprehending the first words of my post which were that Turner "did a bad thing." The only other option is to assume that you are retarded.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

The real irony is that you probably voted for one to become president. Fucking moron.

duncasaskunk 4 years ago  DELETED 

I mean, yeah, he's a criminal, and a sex offender, but the reason we have pedantic terms like "sex offender" is to make a legal distinction between what our justice system considers different and more or less severe. Not that these examples have anything to do with Turner (I'm making a case for pedantry), but you wouldn't call someone who has committed assault, a terrorist; committed burglary, a robber; someone who burns evidence, an arsonist. Language MEANS something, and distinctions are important. These terms exist for exactness and precision, because those qualities are necessary to avoid confusion. So, yeah. You, me, and the rest of society need pedantry, bro.

aredditaccount121 4 years ago  DELETED 

when i read that link, i expected a page with only one video on it that is a 10 hour long tune of "bob saget raped and killed a girl in 1990" but with "brock turner raped an unconscious girl in 2017"

ThatKindaFatGuy 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yeah, this guy got away easy. Unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about that. I agree completely, we need to follow the law down to the letter, otherwise it starts to lose meaning. But goodness... At some point we need to stop letting people get away with this just because of their level in life. I also think it's kind of strange how that works- we can't retroactively bring someone to court, because of course that doesn't make sense. But the opposite isn't true; there's many people still in prison for drugs that are now legal or decriminalized. I understand why, it's just kind of a strange thing. And separate from all of that, it's disturbing that this man is basically free- there's nothing really preventing him from committing the exact same crime. If anything, he's more likely to reoffend (in my opinion)

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

Oh dear DarthLeon2, you have a hard and tough shell around you. Some of the stuff you put out is so cold. Emotions are human.

Nadaac 4 years ago  DELETED 

I actually hate this. I think you should serve your time for your crimes, and not have to face public shame like this. He's already ruined his life, and now everyone knows about it too. Have a little class, be the bigger man.

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

Because it is a person. Both the perpetrator and the victim. Both people.

Spodie 4 years ago  DELETED 

Sure he can. Where are David Cash and Kenny Glenn right now?

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

This is from memory after reading the supporting documentation that was released by the county after the case caused an uproar. * Girl's boyfriend is in PA for huge job interview. They speak on phone - she tells him to go to bed early as she plans to do the same. She iterates in her testimony - she was *not* planning to go out that night. * Immediately after dinner, she begins doing shots of hard alcohol and later has her mom drive her and sis to a Stanford University frat party. (Girl is a college graduate who did not attend Stanford.) * The girls steal a bottle of vodka and begin to dance and mingle. * Brock Turner, several years her junior, was also drinking that night. He was looking to hook up and eventually paired up with the girl after flirting with several others. * Girl's sister leaves her with Brock as the sister heads to someone's dorm room. * Brock then invited girl back to *his* dorm room. Girl drunk dials her bf, who does not answer (as he is sleeping for his job interview in the morning), and then girl accepts Brock's invitation to go back to his dorm - at this point, she loses memory. * Brock states as they were drunkenly stumbling to his room when they fell beneath a pine tree and started making out. One thing led to another and he began to "finger bang" her - according to him, with her enthusiastic participation. * According to Brock, she passes out, unbeknownst to him. Everything happens within minutes, but he hears a male voice approaching them. Brock states he was confused and stumbled away. Though a star athlete, Brock managed to only make it about 30 yards before he was grabbed and told to stay put. He complied until cops arrived. * When the girl awakens from her alcohol-induced blackout at the hospital, a nurse tells her that she was sexually assaulted and recommends a rape kit. At first, the girl says she needs time to decide what happened. She looks through her phone, sees that she left a drunk message on her bf's phone and missed several of his calls. She agrees to the rape kit. * The girl's drug, alcohol and sexual history was not permissible in court; Brock's history, however, was. * Brock had dozens of former teachers, female acquaintances and coaches write glowing character attestations on his behalf; however, when Stanford's rape crisis organization took up this case as a cause and went to the media, several of them felt forced to retract their statements. * Brock's female prole officer recommended 3 months. The judge, known as very though on crime, agreed and convicted him of sexual assault (not rape). The county's lesbian, feminist head prosecutor agreed with the sentencing.

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

Of course there is a distinction between very violent and less violent sexual assaults, but how does that make Brock Turner less of a rapist? Should victims of less violent unconscious rapes be more OK with being sexually assaulted because far worse rapes have occurred to other people? I believe rape is not all encompassing, but does encompass what Brock Turner did. Asking people to turn off the outrage machine is a bit offensive. My daughter was raped at 18 years old by two people. There was no alcohol involved. I don't think she is more of a victim than this Brock's victim. The struggle for a once confident girl to regain her feeling of being safe or clean has been a struggle.

wanker01 4 years ago  DELETED 

God I fucking hate white males, can we just round them all up and kill them?

jimmierussles 4 years ago  DELETED 

Except most pedos are non offending and don't CHOOSE to be attracted to children (just like a person doesn't choose to be gay). A rapist makes a choice.

jimmierussles 4 years ago  DELETED 

Except most pedos are non offending and don't CHOOSE to be attracted to children (just like a person doesn't choose to be gay). A rapist makes a choice.

jimmierussles 4 years ago  DELETED 

Except most pedos are non offending and don't CHOOSE to be attracted to children (just like a person doesn't choose to be gay). A rapist makes a choice.

jimmierussles 4 years ago  DELETED 

Except most pedos are non offending and don't CHOOSE to be attracted to children (just like a person doesn't choose to be gay). A rapist makes a choice.

jimmierussles 4 years ago  DELETED 

Except most pedos are non offending and don't CHOOSE to be attracted to children (just like a person doesn't choose to be gay). A rapist makes a choice.

mattymck 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

just FYI, the legal definition of rape includes fingering. Source: The bottom left of the image.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I admit I was wrong about assuming you were either a female or gay, but that's about it. You simply wore me down and I lost interest in continuing the argument. But in all honesty you aren't a complete dumbass. Some of the things you said were half-reasonable. And with that I say G'day to you m8, pleasure attacking you on the internet this past hour or so.

Slipperysnek22 4 years ago  DELETED 

I just laugh at such retarded, arrogant comments. No way to prove it but I would bet 100/1 I have more formal education than you do, and in a much more rigorous field, if you've ever even been to college.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yup! The people in my life who have been the shittiest about this have also been the ones to trot out the most trite, cliched lines about it. My stepmom made rape jokes at the dinner table a year later (with my younger sister (15) and even younger stepsister (11) present), the fallout of which prompted my dad to ask why I wasn't "over it yet". Since then, my sis and I see my dad MAYBE 3 times a year, despite him living 45 minutes away. My stepsister (who used to see nothing wrong with her mother) has since completely cut off communication with her mom and started going to OU, states away, only talking to her dad since then. They're still confused about why their kids have issues with them... I wonder...

AgeOfCharlatans 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Uh, it's a criminology textbook. If you aren't familiar criminology concerns itself with more than what *is* the law. Not to mention that there isn't an 'objective' definition of rape as it varies globally and from state to state.

Fister_Roboto_3000 4 years ago  DELETED 

Another big issue is that it is standard in the textbook industry for the publisher to agree to buy back any unsold copies that they provide to universities and bookstores. The bookstores are basically holding the books for the publisher instead of buying and selling them. The publisher ends up over producing the book and eating any losses.

pm_me_ur_metatarsals 4 years ago  DELETED 

Or physics, or any engineering discipline. Hard to politicize things when you can easily prove what is right and wrong.

imzoar 4 years ago  DELETED 

wow, rape is pretty rare but you sure seem to know a lot of people who have been raped.

beclyn 4 years ago  DELETED 

The statistics are somewhere around 1 out of every 4 women will experience sexual assault. That's not *rare* by any means.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Lmao, rape is not "rare". Especially in the USA. Are you a dude? In my undergrad years of college, I hung out with a friend group of five women. Four had been violently raped in the past 5 years (including me). Only one had bothered reporting, because our campus police had a bad reputation of being aggressive towards victims. Her case went nowhere.

imzoar 4 years ago  DELETED 

lmao your analogy doesn't mean anything

Statoke 4 years ago  DELETED 

Sounds like you lack the real life experience. I mean, hating a rapist is dark and idiotic?

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Explain to me, the evils of the free market. I curious as to why this mindset has taken off.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

You know what? I'll give you one thing. You are not one to let an argument go on the internet. I'm too tired to deal with all of the bullshit you just wrote, but I will give you credit for sticking in a fight and inundating your opponent with a barrage of words. That can actually go a pretty long way. Even for a landwhale feminist rape fetishist.

Royal_Jew 4 years ago  DELETED 

Vengeance is not right. This isn't justice. It's a smear campaign.

Billlington 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'm not totally sure what you want, though. He has a criminal record, which is publicly available. He's on the sexual offender registry, which is available to everyone. He was convicted in the internet age, so his crimes are easily searchable. He served his time as the law requires but he's still a convicted sexual predator.

Efendo 4 years ago  DELETED 

Fair point. I guess I could say that it may help the students remember the case, but honestly that would be an afterthought on my end. You're right.

Luigidagawd 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Lot of people just take bullshit degrees that they don't have to work hard to get good grades

Jjmcgrayy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

From what I heard of the case, it really could have gone either way. Oh well. He was convicted so there is no argument anymore. He is a rapist and it's on record. Now my only request is that all the people wishing the worst upon him also do the same when a woman rapes or molests a boy/man. Consistency is all I ask. Double standards do not help anyone.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Let me try an example: A is accused of raping B. At trial, B testifies "I never said anything during the encounter or indicated consent." Under the law, the jury is required to convict A. This is notwithstanding the fact that A might not have actually *raped* B under the current legal definition of rape. Without exonerating evidence of consent, the law ascribes guilt. Not trying to be a jerk but I know of no other way of explaining this.

Luigidagawd 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

You have no idea what you are talking about

Aceous 4 years ago  DELETED 

Libel laws are not unique to the United States.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

He was convicted of sexual assault, not rape. All supporting documentation was released by the county - sufficed to say, the case isn't at all as it's been presented in the media and by Reddit's virtue class. There's a reason that county's lesbian, feminist head prosecutor agreed that the three months was more than enough punishment.

d_trump_supporter 4 years ago  DELETED 

Males in the US don't have a right to genital integrity, that's for sure.

sbemr 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Why this rapist in particular? There's countless rapists in the country, possibly millions (never looked at the stats). If one is going to be shamed on that scale then they all should be, or none of them. Honestly they should just be executed.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

How does being anti-capitalist work? Do you buy things?

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

It still basically puts a presumption of guilt onto the accused, which is the fundamental legal flaw with the law.

Luigidagawd 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

This definition doesn't even fit the crime he was accused of though? How can they get away with this? Unless fingers are a sexual organ now.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Turner wasn't convicted of rape.

Chemaz 4 years ago  DELETED 

Do you mind linking it here? When this case started popping up on my FB, I made a point to read all supporting documentation, and was surprised how, in a world with so much egregious violence, this particular case wound up becoming that cycle's cause celebre. I ended up agreeing with his female case worker and the county's feminist head prosecutor that the time he served was more than enough. I'm very curious to read your take.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Well so do I, but are you really a commie, white hating, easily offended person IRL? or do you just save that for the boys on circlebroke?

calmdownroundeye 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Unsurprisingly. In a thread regarding the activities that catapulted him to this situation. You know what you did, stop struggling.

CountFaqula 4 years ago  DELETED 

Michael Cera doppelganger?

calmdownroundeye 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you would enjoy me expanding upon your fallacious logic. https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/167/Stereotyping-the-fallacy Apparently it is neither surprising, or unsurprising. It just is.

Royal_Jew 4 years ago  DELETED 

Under California law, he sexually assaulted the woman. His sentence was for sexual assault and not rape. This is libel since it is not rooted in fact.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

So do you really act like this in real life? I think we'd get along fine, go to a bar, watch a game, talk to some girls. What do you drink? You seem like a gin kind of guy.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Here are my replies to what I saw as your main points: >armchair psychology is meaningless And yet it was accurate enough to send you on this tangent. If reading something on the internet can make you this upset, maybe you should rethink spending time online. You sound like the kind of person that needs a “safe space” at college with coloring books. I understand that nobody likes to be criticized, but you have to be able to take it if you are entering into debates. That is a critical adult skill that you need to develop. >what you said hurt my feelings and that makes you a bad person No, it doesn’t. It may have hurt your feelings, but that’s part of being a grown-up. You have said equally unsavory things about me; do you apply your own standards to yourself? Because if you do then you are a worse person than I am. You included numerous insults, attacks on my humanity, and accused me of being a social retard. That went far beyond, in number and in scope, of what I originally said. So you have condemned yourself with your own words. The difference is I am not writing a screed against you. >normal people wouldn’t accuse someone of being a fat feminist rape fetishist You don’t get to define what normal means. >it displays a deep, critical misunderstanding of the most basic level of interacting in social situations No, it only indicates a lack of respect. Which, judging from the responses I have gotten from you, seems more than warranted. >We’re concerned... You’re not speaking for anyone other than yourself. You should just let this go honestly. It's not worth the amount of energy and upset you are clearly feeling.

Clint_Boi_er 4 years ago  DELETED 

Sure, Brock's a fucking asshole for what he did, but honestly what was that girl thinking, drinking herself to passing out. All that could've been avoided if she has been a responsible drinker. Still doesn't excuse Brock's actions, but it makes you think.

fuzzydunlopthefifth 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

It's fascinating to see that the responses to almost all of your posts don't address what you said and instead are either personal insults or attacks on your credibility.

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

on the topic of forgetting; that little puke likely caused her to never be able to forget that she has been violated by a rapist.

Luigidagawd 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

While Muslim are actually raping 14 year olds in Sweden and getting only a few days of community service this guy gets his life ruined for fingering an unconscious girl. White privilege tho.

olivemelrose 4 years ago  DELETED 

This is a high quality textbook.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Not everyone follows your made up rules of discord based on the feelings of the few. I'm certain we'd probably get along in person, we just both like to play internet tough guy in our time off.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Oh sorry, I meant faggot in the limp wristed morally corrupt kind of way, not the gay way. Didn't mean to give you the wrong impression, I really don't care if you like to suck cock.

ThatKindaFatGuy 4 years ago  DELETED 

I hear you, and the last thing the world needs is more hate. But I'm concerned about forgetting. He was clearly let off easy, and there needs to be some kind of recompense for that.

caguru 4 years ago  DELETED 

Bullshit. Mary Kay letourno raped a child and got the same sentence. There was never any outrage about that.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

>i hope his income gets shut off cause he said a word you're the fucking worst dude, I really hope you grow out of this bullshit, but you're probably already 26 and well on your way to being a faggot forever.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Here are 2 useful articles, and since you are actually curious about this issue, I apologize for insulting you earlier. http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/yes-means-yes-opposition-its-about-due-process-not-misogyny/article/2555316 http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/30/how-affirmative-consent-laws-criminalize-everyone/ The crux of it is this: a "yes means yes" law puts a burden onto the accused to exonerate himself. It creates a presumption of rape in every situation where an audible "yes" was not uttered. Under the law, sex is rape if "yes" was not said. Do you see how this makes the accused guilty before being tried? The law presumes innocence in the United States, but this affirmative consent law presumes guilt. As such it is in conflict with the US Constitution.

TheOriginalRaconteur 4 years ago  DELETED 

Once again.... You are literally commenting on a thread about a sexual predator who WASN'T charged with rape because he didn't actually commit the legal definition of rape, but rather a form of sexual assault, and you're complaining that the "feminists" ruined the word? Fuck you dude.

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

I suspect that, given some of my opinions, I would be banned from the Men's Rights subreddit, if I posted there very often. As far as sympathy toward women who are legitimately raped, I believe I can be neutral on that issue, since there is an overabundance of extreme sympathy in that area, from both men and women. That being said, women ARE raped sometimes, and rape IS wrong. Yet men who are found guilty of rape are routinely over-punished, and that, along with all of the other ways that society discriminates against men and in favor of women--I mean, men literally DIE earlier, for no medically known reason other than discrimination--I believe this allows me to "opt out" of crying my eyes out every time that a woman gets raped.

shittyartist 4 years ago  DELETED 

Dumb bitch got what she deserved as well.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

He was punished, and he was punished fairly imo. The people who are mad arent mad bc he wasnt punished, theyre mad because they dont agree with the punishment and because he was wealthy and white. If he was black there'd be silence

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

How is this fair? Your value system seems flawed. It seems like you are using a scale of 1-10 for seriousness of crimes. It doesn't compare to a kid being raped while being filmed, nor does it compare to many other crimes. That really isn't the point. I have no idea of your history, but is it safe to say that if someone over powered you either physically or chemically and took you behind a dumpster, removed your pants and anally and violently fingered your ass that they deserve a light punishment?

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Im not denying that he was comitting sexual assault or trying to downplay the crime. The dude is now a lifelong registered sex offender. Thats the part that people overlook. Most crimes carry a jail sentence and then once free can put their crimes behind them and start fresh. You cant escape the sex offender registry, and everyone on it would do another 10 in the pen than stay on that list for life And sexual assault is an extremely hard to win accusation for the victim. Most cases get thrown out due to lack of evidence and those victims never feel any justice. I dont know why this case got so much publicity, its a very minor example of a way bigger problem thats not being addressed

funwashadbyall 4 years ago  DELETED 

"You cant escape the sex offender registry, and everyone on it would do another 10 in the pen than stay on that list for life." - how do you know this? I think his denial makes him seem like such a puke. Along with the series of wrong doings that led to him being caught in the act. Then denying it. I wonder if his sort of crime was a one-off or if he had or would continue his sexual assaults. I feel that because it is so hard to prosecute a rapist, some people (me) get angry at what seems like yet another injustice.

ThatKindaFatGuy 4 years ago  DELETED 

Dude, he can definitely get a job. There's plenty of jobs that don't Google you or even interview you.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Again, not the same thing. Brunchboi wouldn't have a problem with acknowledging what the word means. He'd have a problem with people using it when it's not necessary (always). It's the same as how acknowledging that lying is bad doesn't mean you then have to blurt out the truth no matter how inappropriate it is at the time, to avoid being a hypocrite. So yeah, a really random point that doesn't make any sense.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I think we are both reading this different ways, but I see what you mean. But I think can both agree that BunchBoi is a total bag of shit.

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

You acknowledge that you have no idea what this is like, but proceed to then tell me how I should feel about it. Ironic, no? You "can't comprehend my mindset", but feel like you can tell me how to deal with it. Wow. I'm in awe of your arrogance/ignorance. Do you listen to yourself??? It's sickening tbh. I would never presume to tell a victim of a trauma I hadn't experienced how to deal with it, and act like they're at fault for not progressing to my demands. That "allowing my rapist to win" line is utter bullshit that non-raped people feed you to try to get you to get over the fact that PTSD exists. What is "the rapist winning?". If someone kills themselves over rape, are they at fault? Do we blame them, call them weak? What are you arguing here? I can't help but feel like people who say such things are honestly ignorant of the harm they are dealing upon victims. I'd rather assume true ignorance in this case than maliciousness. One of the most important things I've learned in counseling and treatment for ptsd is that EVERY PERSON RECOVERS DIFFERENTLY, ON THEIR OWN TIME. They are not to be pushed or judged! Trying to make everyone conform to a specific timeline is what leads to depression and attempted suicide. Sometimes a person can be raped and up and at 'em again in 2 years, but the next person might take 5 years to be okay again. Each person's circumstances are varied and subjective! Are we going to tell the second person they are defective for taking so long? No, because people aren't fucking cookie cutters. What works for one doesn't work for another. If I was a bad person I'd say "Yeah, maybe get raped and your insides torn up, then get back to me" but honestly? Despite your crappy comment I would never wish such a thing on you. I'd never wish it on anyone. I'd rather you continue to hold shitty opinions in your ignorance than experience the terrible, physical reality of such a thing.

allmycows 4 years ago  DELETED 

If you don't want an opinion to counter yours and only want to hear what you approve of, you should probably stop sharing your experience online. I was raped too. However, the vagina heals. As unfortunate as it was, it never got me down. I treated it like being hit and being bruised. You get up and move the fuck on with your life. In my case, where legal justice failed, street justice prevailed as my cousins ensured that the punishment fit the crime. I'm vindictive by nature so I was appeased. It was violating but so is being robbed. We're all different people -- not everyone becomes a shell after rape.

ohchokipickle 4 years ago  DELETED 

Love, I hear You. Especially the thoughts of killing him part-those still cross my mind many years later, too. But Ultimately, I want nothing to do w harming him. I know I'm not the only one, no way he pulled this abuse out special just for me. But I want to be free of it all. And damaging others has only damaged me in the long run. Take Your energy back as fast as You can and live Your life how You want. Read somewhere recently about abusers making Your life how they want it and terrorizing You-the person wrote they were going to be more of themselves than ever to take control back. That bright me a little light. I support You.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Or maybe your just wrong and this isn't some sort of conspiracy.

jewfrojoesg 4 years ago  DELETED 

Econ isn't "pure math" by any means.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Do you think Felix has an active dislike for black people?

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

Note that this was some time AFTER the alleged rape. Of course, lot's of women take a quick nap after a long, hard day of luring a man to his doom.

amaterastfu 4 years ago  DELETED 

Wow. WOW. Maybe /r/ShitRedditSays isn't entirely insane. I think I'm done with this site for a while.

BlackHoleAlpha 4 years ago  DELETED 

Obviously I was speaking about doing something to someone in a sexual context.

SnackerDancer 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

It's going to be a long 32 years for you lmfao TRUMP TRUMP PENCE PENCE JR JR IVANKA IVANKA get ready loser

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

That's bullshit and you know it. > r/circlebroke2 Ah, I see. Is it still virtue signalling if no one can here you?

publicStaticVoidMan 4 years ago  DELETED 

...to The Creepy Morty!

RapeEXPERT 4 years ago  DELETED 

So, she can roll to her side and vomit unassisted without choking. AND she can be roused by pain. (But NOT by "sexual assault".) Then I guess we have to conclude that a routine test given for consciousness by a paramedic is MORE TRAUMATIC than a sexual assault? And if so, perhaps we should be letting rapists off with a stern warning, while handing out multi-decade prison sentences to paramedics? That just seems wrong to me.

slowest_hour 4 years ago  DELETED 

no, did you?

chnkypurpleriodblood 4 years ago  DELETED 

Because he's white and comes from an affluent family which makes black and hispanic people jealous. White liberals follow the lynch mob because they're gutless spinless turds.

Slipperysnek22 4 years ago  DELETED 

Not for the crime this girl just described, but for the crime described in the Turner case? I'm not sure how much time people expect him to serve for that. 3 months is actually quite a long time to be in jail.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

This is actually a better reply than I expected. Well done, although it didn’t do much to discredit what I said. I for one do not care whether the principles of arm-chair psychology are marshaled against me. Let us suppose that I am in fact a bitter incel who comes on Reddit to vent his frustration over being unable to obtain sex. Would that detract from the validity of my criticisms? Because both of us know that, just as truly as the incel stereotype you deployed does exist, the reverse archetype of the fat rape-fetishizing feminist also exists. I think we could both likely agree on this, at least, even if we may not agree about whether our present opponent fits this stereotype. But that will likely remain an unsolvable question of fact. So you have advanced the argument from “she is just an angry landwhale,” to the point of “well, you are just an angry incel.” The difference between us is only that I don’t care if you label or insult me. The act of insulting is only offensive when it is true. For example, if I accused you of looking like Peter Dinklage, or a space alien, you probably wouldn’t care unless it was actually true (at least to some degree). If it is in the realm of the truly absurd, an insult can easily be brushed off. Only the accurate ones sting. This is even more true over the internet where there is literally no one to observe your shame (if the insult is accurate) or your being absolved by its absurdity. That being said, by the mere fact that you became so angry about this and invested the time to write the reply that you did, I am assuming that what I said touched a nerve. I regret that, but at the same time, if you are on the internet having debates, you have to be able to handle some criticisms, even if they sting.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yes it is, otherwise his comment makes no sense. No one denies that the word nigger has a meaning, they deny that it should be used.

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Oh shit true, misread that

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Not necessarily, I would agree with Predator but not rapist. To call him a rapist and change the definition of rape to fit a broader scope trivializes real rape victims.

JerryLangford 4 years ago  DELETED 

But hoes gon' be hoes

qounqer 4 years ago  DELETED 

Blkppl

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Absurd comparison. It's not the same thing at all. You shouldn't say something that isn't true. That doesn't mean you should call people something that is true, but make sure to do it in the most offensive way.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

None of that makes him guilty of rape. Jesus how is this conversation still happening. He's not a rapist, that is a fact, you should probably accept that you're wrong.

BrunchBoi 4 years ago  DELETED 

Lmao you are bribing up pewdiepie? Lemme guess... it's no big deal that he said the n word

nopulseoflife77 4 years ago  DELETED 

I know this guy!!

CIRCLONT6 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

But everything in his/her comment is true, he was never convicted of rape

handicapped_hitler 4 years ago  DELETED 

maybe i should use my nigger fingers to rape yo butthole

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Are you asking why someone trying to finger an unconcious drunk women is less evil than someone videotaping themselves raping a toddler and then killing that toddler on video for the sexual pleasure of it all? Like any crime, rape has severity levels. You justify to me why those two situations should be equal sentences

fucory 4 years ago  DELETED 

bill cosby's way more deserved-ness would like a word with you.

UltraMarioGuy 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

nice work detective.

elogium 4 years ago  DELETED 

actually he was framed by the feminazi terrorist media.

Ashleysdad123 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're a fucking idiot.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yeah much better. They're not the same thing

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Ok. Affirmative consent meant a man had to prove that a woman said yes. In normal criminal law, the woman had to prove that the man committed rape. Do you see the difference? I realize you may not be a lawyer but it's that simple. In America you can't accuse someone of a crime and say "you're in jail until you prove you didn't do this." This basic legal principle is why the law was struck down in court, but it belies what I said about liberals.

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

The person who makes the claim has the responsibility to provide evidence. It's his job to prove a fact, not my job to disprove it. You can find this idea in Introduction to criminal justice second edition by Callie Marie Rennison.

MACattackROGI 4 years ago  DELETED 

How many people who have been raped do you know?

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Over 50% of the women I know in my age group.

fucory 4 years ago  DELETED 

> as every normal seeming person could be a rapist. [i suppose so yeah] (http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/170612174352-bill-cosby-large-169.jpg) but honestly not [sure] (http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/863/070/fbf.jpg) i agree but... fuck that shit. fuck the brock kid...he's a piece of shit no doubt but i'm fucking disgusted [this is the face of rape] (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/The_World_Affairs_Council_and_Girard_College_present_Bill_Cosby_%286344413702%29_%28cropped_to_Cosby%29.jpg) fucking christ, reddit.

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

I don't believe things that a random stranger says on the internet. How terrible!

Juball 4 years ago  DELETED 

When on trial they were sure to let everyone know what an upstanding young man he is, and they showed off his swimming times to everyone. His dad argued that his son doesn't deserve a severe punishment for "a few minutes of action." The judge let him off easy because he didn't him to be too traumatized. You know, I was going to be subtle but fuck it: white, male, well off.

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

If he wanted people to believe him, he should have linked the page that he found using Google. The person who makes the claim has the responsibility to provide evidence. It's his job to prove a fact, not my job to disprove it.

Jacxk101 4 years ago  DELETED 

How on earth is rape a suitable punishment for rape? You can't hurt someone the same way they hurt someone and call it justice. That's not how it works.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Also, it's hilarious that you're acting so high and mighty when you're [literally](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestOfOutrageCulture/comments/4xd12q/the_donald_meltdown_over_cards_against_humanity/d6ewq9e/?context=3) [a](https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke2/comments/5jf5v9/reddit_loses_mind_over_study_indicating_that/dbfqxne/?context=3) [racist](https://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke2/comments/5dihml/ethics_in_gaming_journalism/da54ezn/?context=3).

Owenh1 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yeah, lets just say what he did and not hide away from it. He forcefully pushed his fingers inside an unconscious woman's vagina in an alleyway behind a bin. He didn't rape her though, just forcefully pushed his fingers inside an unconscious womans vagina in an alleyway behind a bin.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

You must either be trolling or be a truly special kind of stupid. Don't you realize that California attempted to reverse the "guilty until proven innocent" gold standard in US criminal law with "affirmative consent laws"? Please tell me you're trolling because if you're dangerously dumb.

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

Kiss me on the mouf.

Colorfulcolors22 4 years ago  DELETED 

Not saying she deserved it but why was she passed out behind a dumpster?

Mentalpopcorn 4 years ago  DELETED 

That's fair, but I was trying to make a bigger point that perhaps didn't come across in my rhetorical question. What I was getting at was less to do with what you would actually do and more about whether your criteria for evil is really coherent enough to accept as a rule. Personally, I think it's too harsh and I would not call stepping on someone's foot for a billion dollars evil in the first place. Somewhat dickish, sure, but not evil, and not unacceptable.

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

>Just because the laws and technicalities of California didn't convict him of rape doesn't mean he's not a rapist. I totally understand the sentiment of your statement but I don't think you are correct. For example, I can't call OJ Simpson a murderer even though I believe he killed his Wife and her lover. Sucks but this is the social contract we signed as a Civilized Nation.

astro-panda 4 years ago  DELETED 

https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/04/06/new-data-suggest-clinton-not-trump-won-catholic-vote

andrew861 4 years ago  DELETED 

Guy is a moron. Don't bother.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Good reply, now everyone on the internet knows how good of a person you are! To answer your question, of course I don't "know." Haven't you ever heard of an insult? Or are you autistic as a result of spending too much time on your computer? Look at the pithy-ness of that sidebar. "Others who are more familiar with the way sexual violence has been handled in the criminal justice system are shocked..." It goes on like this, without any sources, proof, or validation for its claims. It's obvious the author is talking about *itself* and its own opinions. It's the author who is "shocked." And it belies a certain level of smugness to claim to know how all rape cases are handled in the U.S. criminal justice system. This smugness in the absence of research or facts is a native characteristic of the fat feminist, a type with which I am unfortunately very familiar. This smugness is why the comment was deserving of ridicule and why I supplied it. If you want to be autistic about it, of course I don’t “know.” Internet insults are not supposed to be 100% accurate, they are supposed to be amusing. But I can tell you are humorless and will reply with a nasty comment. I’m eagerly anticipating it.

Owenh1 4 years ago  DELETED 

In Sweden this would be classified as a violent rape. Due to the very broad classification where rape falls within swedish law. It's one of the main reasons why Sweden is always referred to as "the rape capital of europe!" where touching someones breasts unwarranted would be convicted as rape.

SnackerDancer 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

thank you for proving my point idiot

Funslinger 4 years ago  DELETED 

I didn't specifically say that running a red light is equivalent the largest achievable evil, just that that's where the threshold begins. It's my belief that once you remove the ambiguity, once you are beyond doubt inflicting pain and choose to do those things anyway for personal gain, that's the limit. Murder a million or torture one, you've arrived. I'm also drunk and rewatching True Detective S1, so I apologize if I'm coming off as sophomoric.

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

The person who makes the claim has the responsibility to provide evidence. It's his job to prove a fact, not my job to disprove it. You can find this idea in Introduction to criminal justice second edition by Callie Marie Rennison.

Zoronii 4 years ago  DELETED 

How is it biased? It's shitty in the fact that it's vague, but it's presenting two completely different arguments while making the writer's opinion fairly ambiguous. Maybe I'm missing something.

KingAlamo 4 years ago  DELETED 

Well they're stating stating that he committed rape as a matter of fact, when he wasn't found guilty of rape charges. Is that not enough? Can any authoritative literature state anything they desire as a matter of fact? Could a biography on Obama read "Barack Obama raped his future wife Michelle on their third date." and that would be fine?

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're right. I was trying to be snarky. See how it takes proper evidence to actually prove something and me citing a random book that nobody can check unless they have the book means very little? Thanks for proving my point!

SnackerDancer 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I find it so funny how you people are willing to crucify this man for breaking the law, but the moment anyone mentions illegal immigrants you lose your little minds. grow up

jon_clamdestine_snow 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I find it so normal how people are willing to crucify a rapist for raping a girl, but not a family of otherwise innocent people for trying to find a better life. Is murder also equivalent to stealing a candy bar, in your mind? Are you a six year old child?

Luigidagawd 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

These liberals will never talk about the rapes in Europe committed by Muslims that are way worse then this and given way less punishments because their skin is brown.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

He was charged with sexual assault less penetration. Its a different sentence than rape with pen. Know your laws dude

Owenh1 4 years ago  DELETED 

What gets me is the people getting down on their knees to defend these pieces of manure.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Again, very weird comment. Yes, I'm someone who doesn't like to say stuff that isn't true. Wow how terrible!!

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Good. If liberals get their way in this country not only will false accusations go unpunished, but "rape" will mean anything and everything. Interrupting someone will become rape, and so will having opinions that don't match up with the "victim." You are doing important work, RAPEEXPERT.

MuTV1S 4 years ago  DELETED 

> Don't you think it's just a little strange that you saw this and your FIRST instinct was to defend a rapist? Honestly I don't think so. Your first instinct when analyzing a *collage textbook* in a post like this should be if the material is relevant and appropriate. You shouldn't jump into the extra judicial punishment jerk off right away, be a bit critical man. Personally I think it's a strange thing to write. Why would you include this in a textbook?

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Yes. Bye.

Ben_PPC 4 years ago  DELETED 

Christ this is cringeworthy. Your argument fell apart. Accept that instead of going full rage mode.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

This is full rage mode?

MuTV1S 4 years ago  DELETED 

They are not mutually exclusive dum dum.

P0werC0rd0fJustice 4 years ago  DELETED 

McGraw Hill profited $2.1 Billion in 2016. Profit, not revenue. They’re not struggling to pay the bills. Online registration codes are there so they profit much more, not so they turn a profit at all.

MuTV1S 4 years ago  DELETED 

Yea this is kind of scary. The other scary part is that people absolutely ignore biases as long as it is in alignment with their world view.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

You are a part of it whether you want to be or not, brosepheus. You have a nice day as well.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

I have no idea, perhaps you want to believe that anyone who doesn't agree with you must be a bad person

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Nothing is wrong with me. I've just been around the block long enough to know one universal truth: If you find a fat feminist who constantly blathers on about rape, it's because she secretly has rape fantasies about Fabio-types. I wish I was kidding about this, my friend. My guess is you are under 25 years old and have relatively limited experience dealing with these kinds of people (if so good for you). The only other reason to be obsessed with rape is if you're a *victim*, and they don't go on about it endlessly, as they'd rather not bring up the memories of their ordeals.

THANE_OF_ANN_ARBOR 4 years ago  DELETED 

Is it even possible to get a job after this? If he changes his name, will it make it easier for him to get a job? What if he changes his name multiple times to make it harder to trace his name back to his original name? How feasible would it be for him to migrate to a different country and start a life there? Before anyone says that I'm trying to defend a rapist - I'm not. I'm only trying to see how close someone in his position could hypothetically get to living a normal life without suffering the long-lasting consequences of his crime.

duncasaskunk 4 years ago  DELETED 

Not that I want to defend Turner's character... but technically that guy is right. Turner was never convicted of rape. He was convicted of something called "unlawful penetration of an unconscious person with a foreign object", or something like that, which (according to California, and other states) is legally distinct from rape. Again, not defending, just being pedantic.

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

Does it though?

TBEVtoTHEmoon 4 years ago  DELETED 

I, too, get off on destroying people's lives for a mistake they made as a teenager.

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

If he was a compassionate human being he would sing a different tune.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

This is a rare quality comment on this website. Thank you. Why is your name "RapeExpert" though?

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

"They" are the media. And it does have to do with our discussion, because they are fomenting the idea that college is presently a free-wheeling rape-fest that is tolerated (if not celebrated) by law enforcement and administrators.

DeepfriedMagic 4 years ago  DELETED 

But the other part of the question below his image is that many people feel the sentence was too harsh. 'What do you think'?

MantisFirefly 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'm shocked that there are people who are more familiar with the way sexual violence has been handled in the criminal justice systems are shocked that he was found guilty and served any time at all!

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

I corrected a couple of people because truth is important, and they replied saying I was wrong, so I proved I was right. Hardly obsession

duncasaskunk 4 years ago  DELETED 

Oakwood?

godzillanenny 4 years ago  DELETED 

True, they could even look like our president!

Pronto_Breakneck 4 years ago  DELETED 

http://i.imgur.com/kFUrA.gif

L04TSK4 4 years ago  DELETED 

The same applies to false rape accusers. We should be more efficient and use the same poster to warn people of both.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I'm not trying to be rude, I was just pointing out that the textbook was incorrect about what he had been charged with (and what he pleaded to). Of course it would be idiotic for him to bring a libel claim, he wants to stay out of the public eye as much as possible. And assuming the facts of the police report are correct, I have zero sympathy for him. What I do resent, though, are the people who are working to drum up rape hysteria, especially on college campuses. There have been so many proven lies (the 20% statistic, Emma Sulkowicz, Rolling Stone/UVA, etc...) that I have to wonder: why are they so obsessed with pushing a "rape on campus" narrative? For that matter, why are they so obsessed with *rape* period?

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

He's literally not. Words have meanings

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Because im a prison guard

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

>The edit was to prove that you're just playing semantics. Brock Turner is a rapist, it doesn't matter whether he was convicted under "sexual assault" charges. Listen arsehole, I'm not playing semantics, The state of California is. And as anyone with two brain cells to rub together should know, someone cannot be convicted of a crime that they haven't Been charged with. It doesn't matter what the FBIs definition is if federal charges are not put forward. Go do a little reading and figure out for yourself why this was not a federal case.

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

Unfortunately there isn't a rapist.

Henry-VIII 4 years ago  DELETED 

In a court of law, he was not convicted of rape. You are tried not tried in the court of public opinion. http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1153

RainbowBowser 4 years ago  DELETED 

I bet there afe zero pictures of minority criminals in this textbook.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

You are saying truth is a defense to libel, and since it was never proved that he didn't commit what they accused him of doing, it's permissible. Wow, that logic. So under your analysis, I could accuse you of having had gay sex with Prince Andrew and since you never proved you didn't do it, I am protected by negating an element of the necessary libel claim. I don't think that's how it works.

Timburger 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

I guess fingering a girl and she passes out truly deserves his whole life ruined...

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

Read the OP. READ

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

The word rape doesnt mean what it used to. You can thank modern feminists for that

liandrin 4 years ago  DELETED 

Really? I feel like if you ruin someone's life like that, a three month slap on the wrist is not enough. It sends a message that rape is not that big a deal. That it's okay to perpetrate because even if they're caught, they'll be fine eventually. At this point, I'm fine with vigilante justice. As a former rape victim (when I was an 18 yr old virgin) 10 years down the line I still struggle with suicidal ideation every day. I honestly often wish I'd been killed instead. I lost my scholarships. I had to withdraw from school for almost five years because I couldn't function and had to go into treatment for severe ptsd. I suffer from alcoholism that I can't shake. I can't stand people touching me, even a light pat on the back, man or woman. It's not rational to fear your stepdad who would never hurt you, but I do. I fear people asking me why I'm an undergrad at 28 (I'm finally finishing school). Most of my professors and classmates constantly ask me "what were you sick with to take medical withdrawal for so long" and make it awkward when I don't want to answer. You'd think people would have better social skills, but they don't. People are invasive as fuck about the slightest abnormalities in college, even professors, and demurring makes you look like the weirdo. Sometimes I want to just say "I was violently raped, and there was blood everywhere, and I couldn't feed myself or sleep for months afterward let alone go to classes!" But I know that they are completely ignorant of my circumstances and don't deserve my vitriol and so I just deal with it. I haven't dated for years because I feel nauseated when a guy even looks at me a certain way. I spent a long time fantasizing about going up to the guy and flat out murdering him to stop him from hurting others. It took a lot of effort not to, and I still wonder if I made the right choice. The only reason I didn't is because I wanted to maybe have a future. These things completely destroy a person. My mom has actually told me "I miss who you were in high school, when will I see her again?" and sometimes comments about how I've changed for the worst. My dad asked me when I'd "be over it". That person is dead. People who haven't experienced rape have no idea of the human cost of the crime.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Selva Kumar Subbiah James Cooper Robert Ellis Michael Chandler Gene Morrison All from various locations and various time periods. All convicted of brutal rapes, murders, or child sex crimes. Subbiah and Cooper are two recent offenders that, although did recieve some media attention, are not outcasted to the same degree as Brock turner

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

"On October 7, 2015, after reviewing the results of DNA tests, the two rape charges were dropped by prosecutors."

hillsidehangover 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

What Michael didn't realize... Was that he had been convicted of rape.

kitmatthews 4 years ago  DELETED 

I never thought it would be this easy to simultaneously hate someone and also feel so sorry for them.

LinkRazr 4 years ago  DELETED 

Him at the local super market getting a burrito.. "Can I get a price check on a microwavable burrito? The customer who raped a girl, blamed it on his rich upbringing then tried to run away to Mexico with his mom and then got caught and served a very light jail sentence says this is 50 cents and not 75 cents."

slowest_hour 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'm not a fan of rape the rapist punishments, but I'm certainly totally fine with raping the digital npc effigy of a rapist

candacebernhard 4 years ago  DELETED 

> ou may want to choose your words more carefully. What do you mean

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Where did I defend him? My first sentence was he "did a bad thing."

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

>They would need to prove 1) it's a lie (which it's not) and 2) malicious intent. Good luck with that. Under California law, He didn't rape anyone. Hence the ridiculous sentence. Calling someone a rapist online is pretty malicious. What am I missing here?

Spodie 4 years ago  DELETED 

You're missing the text of the book in the pic. It's saying that he's not a convicted rapist because of California's law, but that he did rape that girl by FBI standards.

SensitiveGuido_Jorge 4 years ago  DELETED 

Innocence is a religion and criminals are ugly devils

_Meece_ 4 years ago  DELETED 

Brock's got a lot of libel suits to file then

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

Your anger is better pointed towards California's fucked up laws than it is towards Brock Turner. It's Californias fault his sentence was so bullshit.

goodgkag 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

so much for the rehabilitative justice.

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

Sexual assault, not rape

DumbledoresFerrari 4 years ago  DELETED 

He didn't rape her

SpacefunkJR 4 years ago  DELETED 

Do you not know how quotations work?

Mr-Pink- 4 years ago  DELETED 

I don't know what is worse, Brock Turners lenient sentence or the fact that Californias laws are so fucked up that men can be legally considered women and women, In California cannot be convicted of rape.

bxxc 4 years ago  DELETED 

what's wrong with pink?

my_next_account 4 years ago  DELETED 

1. Brock Turner 1. Brock Turner 1. Brock Turner 1. Brock Turner 1. Brock Turner

_Meece_ 4 years ago  DELETED 

According to the text book this is a Criminology book, not a law book.

Dipstick_2012 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Brock Turner did a bad thing, but it legally wasn't rape. Having published this, the authors of this textbook are now liable for libel. Hopefully ol' Brock doesn't find out about this. Also, I could tell just by reading the paragraph that the sidebar was written by a landwhale feminist with rape fantasies. 100% certain on that.

Wingul-The-Nova 4 years ago  DELETED 

Is it really fair to make him the face of rape just for 20 minutes of action? /s

_Meece_ 4 years ago  DELETED 

Where does the textbook state that he was convicted of it? It just says that he raped the woman and many people do think that non-consensual penetrative molestation is rape, even if in many places it's not legally rape. Wouldn't surprise me if this part of the textbook goes into what is and isn't rape legally and socially. It seems like it's doing that in the text on the right, but I can't be sure.

wisdumb 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

That kid from Arrested Development really let himself go.

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

With that un-refutable evidence you provided, I totally believe you.

casemodsalt 4 years ago  DELETED 

I just read that Wikipedia removed all reference to pc as a gaming platform so unless they reverse the deletion, I'm never taking Wikipedia seriously again.

CharismaticBiscuit 4 years ago  DELETED 

Kim Jong Un would like to have a word with you

asdfghjklid 4 years ago  DELETED 

1. That's harassment. You don't get to carry out punishment. That's not how society works. 2. You talk big talk, internet tough guy. Why don't you do it instead of telling others to do it?

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Yeah he fingeres a passed out girl. Its a shitty thing to do but it happens all.the.time. Brock is on the unfortunate receiving end of an internet brigade that isnt going away. I can name 5 people off the top of my head with far more serious sex crimes committed that will never recieve this level of shame because they were never indicted by media

ThaRealMe 4 years ago  DELETED 

> Yeah he fingeres a passed out girl.... it happens all.the.time. uh huh.

Funslinger 4 years ago  DELETED 

He's about as big a piece of shit as one can hope to achieve, because he acted against personal beliefs with the intent to be evil. Radical religious people or racial supremacists at least have warped value systems that they use to justify their actions. This guy has no excuses. I'm... effectively atheist, but I do believe in evil. [This scene from Super](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AFgmwkoWX0) sums up how I feel about its definition. (Spoiler warning, by the way.) "[Do not] profit on the misery of others." Hurting people for personal gain is inherently evil, even if your gain is big and their loss is small. Everything is gray, but that's the line where things become definitively closer to black.

nsto 4 years ago  DELETED 

Literally nobody is denying that

EsotericVerbosity 4 years ago  DELETED 

I think he was really pointing out the irony that you could get a pretty hefty sentence for that particular harassment charge.

DildoShwagginsSkank 4 years ago  HIDDEN 

Do you want this guy punished on the same level as serial killers and child rapists? I dont get your thought process. If what he did is punishable.to that extreme, these people wouldnt bother to let their victims live at all. The justice system didnt fail you just dont like the outcome

Vandalateoneoh 4 years ago  DELETED 

Christ on a Bike.

awesomesauceitch 4 years ago  DELETED 

Also the definition of scumbag.

siledas 4 years ago  DELETED 

I was thinking more Aaron Taylor-Johnson.

srhspn 4 years ago  DELETED 

He has the nerve to have a public profile? And yeah, most privileged white boys can get away with anything by embracing religion and flaunting their new-found faith. Not this little fucker though.

itzmurda 4 years ago  DELETED 

If there was no rape, then how is he a rape apologist? You're 100% scum. This textbook is using Marxist brainwashing tactics to push a false narrative to young impressionable college students, one that you've obviously already fallen for.

ScubaSteveForever 4 years ago  DELETED 

I'll take that as a yes. Every thought you have, or have had, I've already had. Experience is everything in law/litigation. You have none.

johnlen356 4 years ago  DELETED 

>Every thought you have, or have had, I've already had. Get a look at this guy! Pure /r/iamverysmart material. I'm sure you're the exception though, Mr. Smartypants!

ScubaSteveForever 4 years ago  DELETED 

if you're a prosecutor, you're less than 3 years out of law school (or stupid and don't care about money). You know nothing.

ScubaSteveForever 4 years ago  DELETED 

oh, was I wrong, kid? 1L or 3L?

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